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Forum: Non-USA & General Politics 12th March 2024, 10:20 AM
Replies: 848
Views: 62,618
Posted By JoeMorgue
He's somehow the worst parts of both the mad king...

He's somehow the worst parts of both the mad king and the scheming vicar at the same time.
Forum: Non-USA & General Politics 8th March 2024, 08:39 AM
Replies: 848
Views: 62,618
Posted By JoeMorgue
//inspired by a PolandBall comic// Germany:...

//inspired by a PolandBall comic//

Germany: "Wait a minute let me get this straight. You WANT me to ramp up military production?"
Europe: "Yes."
Germany: "And if needed march through Poland to...
Forum: Non-USA & General Politics 7th March 2024, 02:32 PM
Replies: 848
Views: 62,618
Posted By JoeMorgue
"It is now two years into my 3 day war. I have...

"It is now two years into my 3 day war. I have made the most famously neutral country outside of Switzerland so angry they joined NATO. Every inch of my Western Border is now neighboring a member...
Forum: USA Politics 4th March 2024, 08:56 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
And again we got told this exact same thing about...

And again we got told this exact same thing about assisted suicide, that no medical person would do it because their "code of honor" would prevent them from doing it.

If executions are accepted in...
Forum: USA Politics 1st March 2024, 10:55 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
//Very slight hijack, but still in the base...

//Very slight hijack, but still in the base confines of the discussion.//

The primary reason I'm against the death penalty in real life is because, well the justice system isn't perfect and can...
Forum: USA Politics 1st March 2024, 10:38 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Another thing I mentioned earlier. One of the...

Another thing I mentioned earlier. One of the key arguments made by SCOTUS when they briefly ruled the death penalty unconstitutional under the "cruel and unusual punishment" criteria of the...
Forum: USA Politics 22nd February 2024, 09:30 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
I'm not saying "We're executing them, so all...

I'm not saying "We're executing them, so all concepts of humanity are off the table and we can do anything to them we want." This is, after all, a discussion OF the idea of a "humane execution."
...
Forum: USA Politics 22nd February 2024, 07:14 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
I'm not eating steak to punish the cow for a...

I'm not eating steak to punish the cow for a crime it committed.
Forum: USA Politics 21st February 2024, 01:43 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
I'm saying if we're making that kind of...

I'm saying if we're making that kind of accommodation, it's weird to use it as a punishment.

We're killing them. Pretending we care about them is... weird.
Forum: USA Politics 21st February 2024, 10:44 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
We're brushing (somewhat) up against "Is life in...

We're brushing (somewhat) up against "Is life in prison the same punishment for a 21 year old and a 97 year old?" and "Is giving me a 500 dollar fine and Bill Gates a 500 dollar fine the same...
Forum: USA Politics 21st February 2024, 10:06 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Well yeah but that's kind of the point. This all...

Well yeah but that's kind of the point. This all reduces back down to "No you really CAN'T do executions humanely" but that's where THIS discussion has to end.

Again this is not about what you or...
Forum: USA Politics 21st February 2024, 07:46 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Because we don't do that for any other type of...

Because we don't do that for any other type of punishment. You don't get to go "No I don't want to go to Alcatraz, San Quintin is more my style."

We generally don't let the people society is...
Forum: USA Politics 9th February 2024, 08:39 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
"What's the sweet spot in how long in advance you...

"What's the sweet spot in how long in advance you should see death coming so it balances the time frame to come to terms with it without it turning into time spent dreading and dwelling on it" is a...
Forum: USA Politics 9th February 2024, 01:27 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
One thing I mentioned earlier is that we can't do...

One thing I mentioned earlier is that we can't do a 1:1 comparison between our hypothetical "humane execution" and animal euthanasia for the simple fact that humans can be aware of the process of...
Forum: USA Politics 9th February 2024, 12:43 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Yes but, again without broadening the topic...

Yes but, again without broadening the topic beyond the confines of this thread, Japan is one of (arguably the only) nation that is comparable to the US in general development that also still carries...
Forum: USA Politics 9th February 2024, 11:58 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Long Drop Hanging is Japan's preferred method of...

Long Drop Hanging is Japan's preferred method of execution. 98 times just since the year 2000 at 7 different execution sites.
Forum: USA Politics 9th February 2024, 10:46 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
As to very quick decapitation, like the...

As to very quick decapitation, like the guillotine, I know there's been legit questions as to how "aware" the detached head MIGHT be since there would theoretically still be blood flowing through the...
Forum: USA Politics 7th February 2024, 12:31 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
We're dancing a line here between the topic and...

We're dancing a line here between the topic and the broader context but "You're allowed a humane execution but only if you play along" is just "You aren't allowed a humane execution" with more words....
Forum: USA Politics 7th February 2024, 10:52 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Because animals don't know they are being killed...

Because animals don't know they are being killed and don't do stuff like try to hold their breath or fight the process.

Again there is functionally a difference on a procedural level between...
Forum: USA Politics 2nd February 2024, 12:41 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
I mean sure executions are murders in the same...

I mean sure executions are murders in the same way that putting people in prison is kidnapping. This is "Taxation is Theft!" logic.

Regardless of how you feel about executions (and again for the...
Forum: History, Literature, and the Arts 1st February 2024, 08:25 AM
Replies: 419
Views: 12,511
Posted By JoeMorgue
It's like how characters are hardly ever smoking...

It's like how characters are hardly ever smoking but are always lighting up and stubbing out cigarettes.
Forum: USA Politics 29th January 2024, 11:34 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Would a doctor be breaking the Hippocratic Oath...

Would a doctor be breaking the Hippocratic Oath if he killed someone in self defense?
Forum: USA Politics 29th January 2024, 11:18 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Yes and "Doctors aren't allowed to do something...

Yes and "Doctors aren't allowed to do something because of an "oath"" takes away that volition.

The argument is whether or not doctors want to assist with executions or feel that executions aren't...
Forum: USA Politics 29th January 2024, 10:56 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
The whole "But my job has... A CODE" thing is...

The whole "But my job has... A CODE" thing is guess just strikes me as kinda eyerollingly quaint.

Times and society and laws change. IT Staff and Starbucks Baristas and 3rd Class Telephone...
Forum: USA Politics 29th January 2024, 08:51 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
No I mean in the sense that "No doctor will dare...

No I mean in the sense that "No doctor will dare do it because of the Hippocratic Oath" thing.

You're old enough to remember how controversial Kevorkian was. (Although to be fair dude had other...
Forum: USA Politics 29th January 2024, 08:01 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
We got told the same thing about Euthanasia.

We got told the same thing about Euthanasia.
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 12:54 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
//Dumb side question// How much info about...

//Dumb side question//

How much info about the donor to transplant precipitants usually have? Like if you got a... kidney and all you knew was "Recently deceased 47 year old male" would you...
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 12:40 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Also I guess this is as good a time as any to...

Also I guess this is as good a time as any to bring up the Death Coaster. Technically it was a thought experiment for euthanasia, but we can apply it to executions.
...
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 12:36 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Let's throw another hand grenade into the...

Let's throw another hand grenade into the discussion.

What method of execution would leave the most viable organs?
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 07:51 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
One other weird little tidbit. When the...

One other weird little tidbit.

When the Supreme Court made the landmark decision in Furhman Vs Georgia that lead to capital punishment in the US being Unconstitutional from 1972 to 1976 one of the...
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 07:44 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
If killing people makes you squeamish maybe you...

If killing people makes you squeamish maybe you shouldn't do it.
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 07:43 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
IIRC correctly one of (many) reasons we stopped...

IIRC correctly one of (many) reasons we stopped using firing squads is the image that it was letting the condemned go out in a dramatic, blaze of glory, for lack of a better term "cool" fashion.

I...
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 07:36 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
"Gas chambers" have unpleasant connotations...

"Gas chambers" have unpleasant connotations historically speaking and a LOT of this is PR.

ETA: To be clear I'm not saying that's a good, logical, sane or reasonable excuse, but I do think it is...
Forum: USA Politics 26th January 2024, 06:12 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
I feel like "Knowing you are going to die is...

I feel like "Knowing you are going to die is stressful" is the sort of thing we can't really fix.

As I said earlier (and again speaking only in the context of the question of a "humane execution"...
Forum: USA Politics 25th January 2024, 09:09 AM
Replies: 37
Views: 828
Posted By JoeMorgue
This is one of the questions where the answer is...

This is one of the questions where the answer is so much a case of those big undefined group emotions that make up so much of politics that all we can do is make somewhat educated guesses. It really...
Forum: Non-USA & General Politics 25th January 2024, 08:53 AM
Replies: 4,025
Views: 84,693
Posted By JoeMorgue
This is like the paradox of tolerance but with...

This is like the paradox of tolerance but with weapons.

If someone has declared that they want you all dead as a core part of who they are, wanting them all dead stops being genocide, it starts...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 22nd January 2024, 06:56 AM
Replies: 970
Views: 29,340
Posted By JoeMorgue
I leave the thread alone for two days and we're...

I leave the thread alone for two days and we're talking about the Golden Rule.

How many Kevin Bacons did it take to get here?
Forum: USA Politics 19th January 2024, 11:01 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Alabama inmate asking federal appeals court to...

Alabama inmate asking federal appeals court to block first-ever execution by nitrogen gas
...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 19th January 2024, 10:12 AM
Replies: 970
Views: 29,340
Posted By JoeMorgue
Regardless transgenderism and actual biological...

Regardless transgenderism and actual biological intersex are different conversations and it's dishonest to use one to make a point about the other.
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 19th January 2024, 09:56 AM
Replies: 970
Views: 29,340
Posted By JoeMorgue
If it's so ******* complicated that nobody can...

If it's so ******* complicated that nobody can even begin to describe what it is how the **** do trans people know where they land on it?
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 19th January 2024, 09:55 AM
Replies: 970
Views: 29,340
Posted By JoeMorgue
*Head desk*

*Head desk*
Forum: USA Politics 19th January 2024, 09:42 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
I wanna be put into a transporter so I can "die"...

I wanna be put into a transporter so I can "die" in a way that absolutely isn't dying.
Forum: USA Politics 19th January 2024, 08:03 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
//Total Hijack// I wrote a horror short...

//Total Hijack//

I wrote a horror short story a few years back, a 1st person confession from a guy who was a member of an underground group of off the book executioners, sent clandestinely by the...
Forum: USA Politics 19th January 2024, 08:00 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Well that's kind of the problem with any method...

Well that's kind of the problem with any method of dying being considered painless. It's not like we can ask people after it's over, we can only make educated guesses.

The method I described...
Forum: USA Politics 19th January 2024, 07:51 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
For some context Japan I believe still DOES use...

For some context Japan I believe still DOES use hanging as its primary method.
Forum: USA Politics 19th January 2024, 07:39 AM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
There's a functional difference between someone...

There's a functional difference between someone committing suicide and someone being executed.

With gasses I think the issue is people trying to hold their breath and taking short shallow panic...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 19th January 2024, 07:35 AM
Replies: 970
Views: 29,340
Posted By JoeMorgue
So for the billionth time we'll ask and get no...

So for the billionth time we'll ask and get no answer.

If the unarguable fact that human biology is binary but sex (not gender, sex) is a complicated spectrum of complicated nuance THEN WHAT ARE...
Forum: USA Politics 18th January 2024, 01:07 PM
Replies: 564
Views: 9,784
Posted By JoeMorgue
Yep, in a very real sense a build up on CO2 in...

Yep, in a very real sense a build up on CO2 in your lungs is the scariest thing possible on a human psychological sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vmwsg8Eabo
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 18th January 2024, 11:31 AM
Replies: 970
Views: 29,340
Posted By JoeMorgue
The number of times this has been asked and not...

The number of times this has been asked and not answered is astounding.
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 18th January 2024, 11:01 AM
Replies: 970
Views: 29,340
Posted By JoeMorgue
I pulled a Lionel Hutz. I missed a comma. ...

I pulled a Lionel Hutz. I missed a comma.

"No, biological sex is defined perfectly clearly."
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