IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » Search Forums
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Showing results 1 to 50 of 500
Search took 4.24 seconds.
Search: Posts Made By: psionl0
Forum: USA Politics Today, 07:07 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 413
Posted By psionl0
I think you are misinterpreting it. At the...

I think you are misinterpreting it.

At the time the constitution was ratified, there was a fear that if it included a bill of rights then only those rights would be protected and other rights...
Forum: USA Politics Today, 03:47 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 413
Posted By psionl0
This is too vague to comment on. Give us some...

This is too vague to comment on. Give us some specific examples of interpretations that you either agree with or disagree with.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy Yesterday, 09:43 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
It means free will. If you chose which button to...

It means free will. If you chose which button to press without being controlled then you exercised free will. That's it! Finito! The End! Nothing else matters.


So what? This is about exercising...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy Yesterday, 07:31 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Yes and free will is a part of this problem.

Yes and free will is a part of this problem.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy Yesterday, 07:28 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Of course. You don't have to know the effects of...

Of course. You don't have to know the effects of every choice in order to make a choice. As I already pointed out, all that matters is whether you were programmed to make a certain choice or you...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy Yesterday, 07:06 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
This thread is about why God (if he existed)...

This thread is about why God (if he existed) would permit evil in this world. It is not a scientific question and therefore can't be answered scientifically.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy Yesterday, 07:04 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Exactly. And if you make your own decisions then...

Exactly. And if you make your own decisions then you are exercising free will.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy Yesterday, 07:02 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
I don't see how being in control of your choices...

I don't see how being in control of your choices would prevent you from choosing differently if the same circumstances were repeated.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 09:56 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
What is not relevant is that the machine was...

What is not relevant is that the machine was rigged. What is not relevant is that you were deceived about the effect of each button on the machine.

The only relevant aspect was that you had a...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 09:46 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Did somebody force you to press button A or did...

Did somebody force you to press button A or did you choose to press the button yourself?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 09:44 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
I am only arguing about free will. It is other...

I am only arguing about free will. It is other people who keep trying to change the subject.

This is not about unfairness, coercion, deception, Hobson's choices etc. It is only about whether the...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 09:42 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
If some of your choices (no matter how few) might...

If some of your choices (no matter how few) might not be made of your own free will then there is absolutely no free will whatsoever is a false dichotomy.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 09:17 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
You changed the subject again. You even equated...

You changed the subject again. You even equated free will with involuntary actions.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 09:15 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Free will doesn't mean freedom of choice. Either...

Free will doesn't mean freedom of choice. Either you make your own choices (good or bad) or somebody makes them for you. In the latter case, deception is irrelevant because you aren't making a choice.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 06:12 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
What does any of this have to do with free will? ...

What does any of this have to do with free will?

The only relevant question is "did they make that choice themselves or did somebody program them to make that choice"?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 13th August 2022, 08:15 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Somebody else who has no idea of what free will...

Somebody else who has no idea of what free will is.

Punishing somebody for making a choice you don't like is not the same as programming them to make a certain choice.

You might think that the...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 12th August 2022, 08:06 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
:confused:

:confused:
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 12th August 2022, 12:51 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Yes. Any rule that says you are allowed to...

Yes. Any rule that says you are allowed to imagine a god exists but you are not allowed to imagine that he gave people free will is silly in the extreme.


People make bad choices all the time -...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th August 2022, 06:42 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
You are starting to remind me of that poster who...

You are starting to remind me of that poster who thinks "free will" means freedom from all suffering. You are deliberately so all over the place that it is impossible to tell what you truly believe....
Forum: Economics, Business and Finance 11th August 2022, 08:33 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 274
Posted By psionl0
I get your point. Without a change in tax laws,...

I get your point. Without a change in tax laws, the big corporate evaders are not going to pay more taxes even if we employ more tax officers.

However, small fry also try to evade taxes and a...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th August 2022, 08:15 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
If God has not created people with free will then...

If God has not created people with free will then that means that he has programmed every single choice that every individual ever made and will ever make. It means that he created many people for...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 10th August 2022, 08:20 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
You have no time for the notion of a god at all...

You have no time for the notion of a god at all (other than to conclude that there is no such thing).

The idea that a fictional god can not create people with free will is just silly. Like I say,...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 10th August 2022, 01:03 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
That is the exact opposite of what "most if not...

That is the exact opposite of what "most if not all Christian churches" teach (at least, the ones I have heard of).

"Lest ye repent . . ."
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th August 2022, 09:12 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Who makes up these rules? There is no argument...

Who makes up these rules? There is no argument that God gave no free will whatsoever.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th August 2022, 08:52 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Which is still not your earlier argument. ...

Which is still not your earlier argument.

You have repeatedly claimed that if God can override free will then there is no free will. I have pointed out that just one act that is not free will...
Forum: Economics, Business and Finance 9th August 2022, 06:50 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 6,216
Posted By psionl0
Prices are higher. Now you can stop taking pain...

Prices are higher. Now you can stop taking pain killers.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th August 2022, 06:47 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
LOL Somebody always tries to close the discussion...

LOL Somebody always tries to close the discussion AFTER they have had their say. Never before.

And of course, you tried to pull a bait and switch by saying "there is no god therefore there is no...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th August 2022, 05:15 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
That is a different topic altogether. A...

That is a different topic altogether.

A common theme in the gospels is separating the "sheep from the goats". A "goat" can be forgiven and become a "sheep" but absolutely nothing in the gospels...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th August 2022, 07:58 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
What do "the Christians" say and which sect are...

What do "the Christians" say and which sect are you referring to?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th August 2022, 12:19 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
I don't believe that you are genuinely...

I don't believe that you are genuinely interpreting my statement that way.

Obviously would be evil doers would be weeded out before they could get to Heaven.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 11:40 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Are you seriously suggesting that if somebody is...

Are you seriously suggesting that if somebody is not a would be evil doer then they are a robot?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 10:09 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
It's not surprising that you would side with the...

It's not surprising that you would side with the rule 12 violator. Expecting somebody to actually deal with the substance of my post is a serious crime. :rolleyes:
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 08:46 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
If God made it impossible to make evil choices...

If God made it impossible to make evil choices then he would just have created bots.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 08:44 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Sure, a god could do all sorts of things...

Sure, a god could do all sorts of things (including taking away somebody's free will) if he wanted to nullify somebody's choices.

Whether he does or not is a matter of speculation but according to...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 05:06 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
You are conflating freedom of choice with free...

You are conflating freedom of choice with free will.

One could make the consequences of a choice so unpleasant that most people would not dare to make that choice. That would imply that you don't...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 05:04 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
If people can't make evil choices (your position)...

If people can't make evil choices (your position) then there isn't a question to answer.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 05:03 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Your translator is clearly on the fritz. This...

Your translator is clearly on the fritz. This pile of rule 12 violation didn't address a single word that you quoted.

Of course, in order to address the post, you would have to understand it and...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 02:03 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
You can argue that there are no gods therefore...

You can argue that there are no gods therefore there is no evil if you wish but then it wouldn't make sense to ask for an answer to the problem of evil.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 01:53 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
People can make evil choices. The End.

People can make evil choices. The End.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th August 2022, 01:41 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Aaaannnndd ... You are back to if one choice is...

Aaaannnndd ... You are back to if one choice is forced then all choices are forced.

You can't have it both ways. Assuming that God makes the majority of the choices for people (which is not...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 11:50 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
There is no such rule.

There is no such rule.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 11:23 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Yes. Either all choices are made by God or there...

Yes. Either all choices are made by God or there is free will.


Free will doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of your choices.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 08:25 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
ftfy. Whether free will can exist or not in...

ftfy.

Whether free will can exist or not in a deterministic universe is a scientific argument and has nothing to do with the imagination.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 08:14 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
ftfy. It is ridiculous to say that during...

ftfy.

It is ridiculous to say that during their life, somebody made 1,000,000 unforced choices and 1 choice was forced therefore all 1,000,001 choices were forced.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 08:09 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
The failure is all yours. If the...

The failure is all yours.

If the "godthingy" is purely born of the imagination then there is no rule that says you can't imagine that this "godthingy" created people with free will.

You need...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 08:05 PM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
So Isaiah 45:7 doesn't say that God programmed...

So Isaiah 45:7 doesn't say that God programmed everybody's actions in advance?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 07:58 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
That is a long stretch. Assuming that you...

That is a long stretch.

Assuming that you really believe this then it means that your argument is that there is no such thing as free will. God programmed everybody to do whatever they do.

Have...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 06:21 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
"We have no free will" is your claim, not mine. ...

"We have no free will" is your claim, not mine.


How frequently would one's free will have to be overridden for this to be true? Hourly? Weekly? Once every billiion years?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 06:18 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
Have you got a definition of "free will" that...

Have you got a definition of "free will" that would render the discussion in this thread moot?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 7th August 2022, 03:21 AM
Replies: 246
Views: 4,106
Posted By psionl0
ALL free will is lost if ONE person has their...

ALL free will is lost if ONE person has their free will overridden?
Showing results 1 to 50 of 500

 
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:33 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.