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Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 16th March 2020, 07:23 PM
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Posted By Crocoshark
My mom works at costco and has asked multiple...

My mom works at costco and has asked multiple people why they're buying toilet paper.

They said they didn't know.

I guess it's just one of their program directives from the chips that Chamin...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 22nd November 2016, 06:35 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 1,855
Posted By Crocoshark
I was raised with Scientology as mostly a set of beliefs, and have written down my th

I was raised in Scientology and held it for many years as a set of personal beliefs, as something connected to my family. My practical involvement amounted to some auditing and courses and I went...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 18th November 2016, 02:45 PM
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Views: 4,184
Posted By Crocoshark
Ah, I was using a much broader definition of...

Ah, I was using a much broader definition of "bias". Also, absent of an example of what brought on this discussion I was thinking of opinions of movies, which are often effected by everything from...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 17th November 2016, 07:20 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 4,184
Posted By Crocoshark
Aren't opinions inherently biased? I mean,...

Aren't opinions inherently biased?

I mean, opinions are made up of biases. It's your general subjective inclination on something made up of smaller subjective inclinations.

Bias is only a...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 18th August 2016, 09:17 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
My wording there's really awkward. By "namely"...

My wording there's really awkward. By "namely" I'm naming the alternative topics I did not intend thread, not the ones I did.

I'd edit it but I'm passed the editing cut-off.

Also, I should...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 18th August 2016, 02:34 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
To be specific on that point, I made this thread...

To be specific on that point, I made this thread to discuss the concept of the reactive mind, and Scientology's idea of what it means to be "scientific" and the ways in which these things differ from...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 18th August 2016, 01:16 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Then he should've just explained himself. That...

Then he should've just explained himself. That was the invitation of my "What".

His comment that I object to the "moral character" of science sounded like saying I had a problem with science's...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 18th August 2016, 12:20 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Why should I respond to anything you say if you...

Why should I respond to anything you say if you pull this condescending crap? The sentence of mine that you responded to had NOTHING to do with the morality of science. That came out of ***********...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 16th August 2016, 07:54 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
That is not how Scientologists get you to believe...

That is not how Scientologists get you to believe in his theories. You are waaaay over-estimating how much Scientologists believe based on Hubbard's biography. and way oversimplifying why...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 15th August 2016, 09:44 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
My apologies than, I did not intend for it to...

My apologies than, I did not intend for it to come across that way. I put "reactive mind" in quotes and described the believers personal/subjective experience.
I've never said fiction should be...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 12th August 2016, 03:08 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
No idea why you'd assume that. Why do you want to...

No idea why you'd assume that. Why do you want to assume those things are real?

(Don't like it when I do it to you, do you? Make strawman arguments, I mean)

Though more genuinely, I have no...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 9th August 2016, 05:55 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Fine and dandy, that's a perfectly valid...

Fine and dandy, that's a perfectly valid argument.



I'm not *trying* to shame/guilt you into accepting terms.

The negative tone of my post had to do with the fact nothing you say sounds...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 9th August 2016, 07:45 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Thank you for the links and explanations. I...

Thank you for the links and explanations.

I think the first two questions can be answered without Scientology knowledge, as it's basically just asking what science's own understanding of the role...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 9th August 2016, 06:57 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
<snip> Edited for compliance with Rule 12 of the...

<snip> Edited for compliance with Rule 12 of the Membership Agreement.

This is a thread about the concept of the reactive mind.

YOU are the one saying the whole discussion should be...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 5th August 2016, 07:46 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I'VE changed this into an attack on his person?...

I'VE changed this into an attack on his person? I'm not the one who brought him up . . . :confused:

I never said they were, my point was about Hubbard's monetary motivations being meaningless...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 5th August 2016, 05:22 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I don't really care about Hubbard one way or the...

I don't really care about Hubbard one way or the other; only the body of ideas and what followers claim about it, and how those claims themselves fail against reality.

Scientology is full of...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th August 2016, 05:52 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I feel like I should ask questions here, but I'm...

I feel like I should ask questions here, but I'm not sure what to ask.

I think I'll go with

1. What place to un-recalled memories have in modern psychology? What effect is it believed they...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 13th July 2016, 03:20 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Oh I believe it. I was saying his behavior was...

Oh I believe it. I was saying his behavior was ridiculous. It sounds as if he found out he got crticized and he just fell apart; a real scientist would stay and burn the opponent's criticisms to the...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 13th July 2016, 09:44 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Could you tell me more about the idea outside the...

Could you tell me more about the idea outside the context of Scientology and its fall into disfavor?




My Dad says he actually wrote up his stuff for psychiatrists but theyrejected him so he...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 10th July 2016, 03:40 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I probably have an anti-Hubbard bias that those...

I probably have an anti-Hubbard bias that those on this board don't actually share; I've been exposed to the same ideas and same writing style so often that it feels like a theologian dedicating a...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 10th July 2016, 11:35 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
No, you stated what logical conclusion you...

No, you stated what logical conclusion you thought something he said would lead to. You attempted to actually analyze it first, than when I responded asking about your own conclusion you try to call...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 10th July 2016, 06:52 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I've only read the first few chapters ("book...

I've only read the first few chapters ("book one"), because Hubbard writes like an insufferable, pompous psychotherapist from the 50s. I actually got tired the last couple times I tried to read him....
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 9th July 2016, 01:40 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Nope. Not too scared of hypodermic needles...

Nope. Not too scared of hypodermic needles either, if that's the connection you were thinking of.



Oh, Scientologists have many explanations for why it didn't work on the other guy; out-tech,...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 9th July 2016, 11:59 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
One of the analogies you're given in Dianetics is...

One of the analogies you're given in Dianetics is that the "reactive mind" evolved to protect us; a fish gets bitten in a certain area and than avoids that area supposedly because of unconscious...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 9th July 2016, 10:28 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Well, "engrams" only refers to memories of real...

Well, "engrams" only refers to memories of real life pain and unconsciousness. Growing up in Scientology, I think you realize that it's perfectly possible for anxieties to be caused by something...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 9th July 2016, 06:40 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I can think of a couple examples of my own but I...

I can think of a couple examples of my own but I wanted to find out what the specific person I responded to had anything I didn't think of. My mindset s one greedy for both ammo and certaint on...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 8th July 2016, 07:20 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I know this thread is dead but there was one last...

I know this thread is dead but there was one last think I wanted some elaboration on



I was interested in hearing what instances you were thinking of
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 5th July 2016, 10:17 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
By paraphrasing your attributing your own made up...

By paraphrasing your attributing your own made up interpretation of what I said.







First, I was sharing it as an anecdote pertinent to the topic of Hubbard having hidden research I...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 5th July 2016, 09:29 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I'm eager to learn wherever I've screwed up. ...

I'm eager to learn wherever I've screwed up.



Thank you.

I suppose one way to think of it would be showing your work in math; you *could* just write a bunch of made up numbers, but anybody...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 5th July 2016, 09:07 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I've been meaning to ask, how does one "show...

I've been meaning to ask, how does one "show their work" in a way that's actually reliable? Isn't it all just paper? If Hubbard described sample sizes and control groups and drew diagrams that...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 5th July 2016, 06:47 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Because this thread isn't about my own thoughts....

Because this thread isn't about my own thoughts. I came for the thoughts of other people.

That said, already gave my attack on Scientology as a science in this post;



Any other attack on...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 5th July 2016, 06:36 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I said one person in this thread said that point....

I said one person in this thread said that point. Everyone in this thread agree with it, but he was the only one who gave that as an answer in this thread.Yes. That says nothing about what claims he...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 08:34 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
i said I didn't know what Hubbard said in the...

i said I didn't know what Hubbard said in the briefing course, not that I didn't know whether Scientology was a pseudoscience, which is what people in this thread are answering. And those answers...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 06:07 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Honestly, I have no idea what methodology Hubbard...

Honestly, I have no idea what methodology Hubbard claims to have used in the briefing course. It's a black box to me. For all I know he could've described double blinding, control groups and listing...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 04:48 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
There's a handful of people in this thread who...

There's a handful of people in this thread who simply made a good point, I nodded when I read it, and I moved on because I didn't have any questions. I appreciate everyone who responded to this...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 02:28 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
To be fair, that's not really how I've been going...

To be fair, that's not really how I've been going about that. It's more like I'm going over a building looking for building code violations or red flags. Did you read the bit I wrote about why...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 12:35 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I guess they're "memories of pain and...

I guess they're "memories of pain and unconsciousness that trigger symptoms meant to ward you away from a similar environment.

Here's a part of the DVD I linked to earlier that first explains the...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 11:28 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Possibly because I didn't have many of my own...

Possibly because I didn't have many of my own personally moving experiences from Scientology. My support of it was on behalf of how much my parents felt they had been helped by it. I was excited by...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 10:41 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I was a believer. Than I learned about science...

I was a believer. Than I learned about science and skepticism and started applying what I learned to my beliefs.

There's different degrees of believer, and if a believer is open enough to doubt I...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 10:38 AM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
My favorite mode in terms of science is...

My favorite mode in terms of science is experimental psychology; experiments that demonstrate various biases and stuff like that. Which mode does that fall under?Is there a scientific approach to...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 09:37 AM
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Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Here's a Dianetics video I found:...

Here's a Dianetics video I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhjNNEZR5c&index=5&list=PLfflewFZs6v_NUM-Y-Xpru-Uy5o02uUD1

The classic example is an abused woman being told she's no good, and...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 08:34 AM
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Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
I found a "debunking scientology" playlist on...

I found a "debunking scientology" playlist on youtube and it only had videos of scandals of the church, which is like debunking the bible by exposing the evils the Christian church has perpetuated. I...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 07:55 AM
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Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Not saying it is, just saying the argument I...

Not saying it is, just saying the argument I quoted is not convincing to believers.
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 4th July 2016, 07:30 AM
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Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Out of curiosity, how might engrams; the theory...

Out of curiosity, how might engrams; the theory that wrods and stimuli in moments of pain and unconsciousness cause negative symptoms later on, have evolved with advances in the fields you've listed?...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 3rd July 2016, 08:12 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
It does. Thank you! Could you list examples...

It does. Thank you!

Could you list examples of such metrics?
By this I assume no statistical evaluation whatsoever.
By that I assume you mean no hypothesis other than "It will do what Hubbard...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 3rd July 2016, 07:19 PM
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Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Yes. But my initial answer was a five page essay...

Yes. But my initial answer was a five page essay (edited down to three pages), and I didn't want people to just take what I said in my own answer. I was hoping someone could give a more succinct...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 3rd July 2016, 06:33 PM
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Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Okay. Thank you. Do you have anything...

Okay.

Thank you.

Do you have anything to say about the criteria for "science" I described Scientologists as using in the original post? As that was what this thread was supposed to be about.
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 3rd July 2016, 06:22 PM
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Posted By Crocoshark
As I said like three times, that's only part of...

As I said like three times, that's only part of the training until Scientologists reach "Clear". Up until that it's all about the person's own "reactive mind". Then AFTER THAT it's the reactive minds...
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 3rd July 2016, 06:20 PM
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Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Could you clarify what you mean by the galvanic...

Could you clarify what you mean by the galvanic response test? Are you referring to the "pinch" test where they show that the anticipation of being pinched resonates on an e-meter? Or something else?
Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal 3rd July 2016, 06:16 PM
Replies: 216
Views: 29,262
Posted By Crocoshark
Thank you. This is a response to my actual...

Thank you.

This is a response to my actual discussion topic.
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