AIA Convention 2015 to vote on AE911T resolution

Ha! I found an (inofficial) result:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1454349698190148/permalink/1473326486292469/

"Here are the results of the vote: In Favor - 160, Opposed - 3800"

That's a split of 4:96. Better than the 0:100 I predicted :(

Here were the other predictions:

Member | yes:no WilliamSeger |2:98
chrismohr |20:80 to 30:70
Fonebone |50:50
Crazy Chainsaw |18:82
jaydeehess |10:90
Oystein |0:100
jaydeehess 2 |1:99
Dave Rogers |100:0 (sic!)
I think that makes WilliamSeger the winner! What was the prize again? Winner gets to see a naked pony? Here ya go: :mpony :cheerleader1
 
Gage will give a presentation at 7 pm ET tonight (begins 1 hour from now) on the Georgia Tech (*ugh! Bite, Dawg!!*) campus. This is supposed to be a link to a líve stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19cS9ZwtEC4

I can't watch it, YT livestreaming is disabled in my country due to rights problems :rolleyes:
 
Oystein said:
Ha! I found an (inofficial) result:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1454349698190148/permalink/1473326486292469/

"Here are the results of the vote: In Favor - 160, Opposed - 3800"

That's a split of 4:96. Better than the 0:100 I predicted :(

Here were the other predictions:

Member | yes:no WilliamSeger |2:98
chrismohr |20:80 to 30:70
Fonebone |50:50
Crazy Chainsaw |18:82
jaydeehess |10:90
Oystein |0:100
jaydeehess 2 |1:99
Dave Rogers |100:0 (sic!)
I think that makes WilliamSeger the winner! What was the prize again? Winner gets to see a naked pony? Here ya go: :mpony :cheerleader1
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sup shills

take the weekend off...

only 160 AIA members are nuts, or they failed to read and see it was a resolution based on delusions from an idiot, Richard Gage, the cult leader of dumb claims on 911.


The facebook post was removed, some called their claims delusional; as the reason the resolution based on BS failed. ...

https://www.facebook.com/events/1454349698190148/permalink/1473326486292469/

Post is gone... OOPS< wrong, the post is not gone, someone is blocked - lol
So much for free speech.
 
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My apologies everyone. They guy who made that post got all upset and deleted it when every time he tried to pretend he had some point to make I pointed out the vote the was a dismal failure for him. :o

Edit: Never mind, he blocked me. LOL!
 
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AE911Truth now posted this:

The Results Are In: Overwhelming Majority of AIA Delegates Make the Political Decision and Vote Down Resolution 15-6
AE911T said:
“We are a professional – not a political – organization. But in this case, if we vote “no” on this resolution, we are making a political decision, not a professional one. Thank you very much.” – Daniel Barnum, FAIA

..The vote came after a number of impassioned statements from supporters and opponents. It was evident that those who opposed the resolution did not fully understand the official explanation of WTC 7’s destruction for which they claimed such adamant support. One architect from New York stated that diesel fuel fires were responsible for WTC 7’s destruction, an explanation that even NIST itself has disavowed.

Read more >> http://bit.ly/AIAresults
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Also sent as a newsletter about half an hour ago:
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d03bf3ffcac549c7dc7888ef5&id=bcd0bc392b
...Resolution 15-6, which called upon the AIA to support a new WTC 7 investigation, was voted down 3,892 to 160, garnering 4% of the delegates’ votes. ...

Resolution 15-6 met the same fate as all but one of the substantive resolutions considered. Even in terms of percentages, the outcome was not that different, with the other four losing resolutions garnering between 6% and 26% of the votes and one being tabled. ...

... We are pleased to have gained the signatures of another 150 AIA members, seven of whom are fellows of the Institute. ...
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150 new signatures?? I shall report if they really show up in the near future ;)
 
beachnut said:
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The facebook post was removed, some called their claims delusional; as the reason the resolution based on BS failed. ...

https://www.facebook.com/events/1454349698190148/permalink/1473326486292469/

Post is gone... OOPS< wrong, the post is not gone, someone is blocked - lol
So much for free speech.
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grandmastershek said:
My apologies everyone. They guy who made that post got all upset and deleted it when every time he tried to pretend he had some point to make I pointed out the vote the was a dismal failure for him. :o

Edit: Never mind, he blocked me. LOL!
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The number of Truther sites and Facebook pages who block me increase by 1 for every Truther site and Facebook page I post comments on.

9/11 Truth favors intensive, extensive and total censorship across the board. Of course that's a professional, not a political decision :D
 
grandmastershek said:
My apologies everyone. They guy who made that post got all upset and deleted it when every time he tried to pretend he had some point to make I pointed out the vote the was a dismal failure for him. :o

Edit: Never mind, he blocked me. LOL!
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he only blocks the person, not the people

the Bill Nada has three likes
 
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AE911Truth now posted this:

The Results Are In: Overwhelming Majority of AIA Delegates Make the Political Decision and Vote Down Resolution 15-6



Also sent as a newsletter about half an hour ago:
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d03bf3ffcac549c7dc7888ef5&id=bcd0bc392b

150 new signatures?? I shall report if they really show up in the near future ;)
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Shot down by a large margin. Claims support among members.

Exactly how many members attended the conference?


Par for the "truth" course....................
 
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grandmastershek said:
My apologies everyone. They guy who made that post got all upset and deleted it when every time he tried to pretend he had some point to make I pointed out the vote the was a dismal failure for him. :o

Edit: Never mind, he blocked me. LOL!
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I saw that. Guess you pissed him off. Poor baby.
 
Getting four percent of the vote is a crushing defeat ... even in a one sided debate, they lose this bad ...
 
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ozeco41 said:
In most polling 5% would be regarded as the manic or ratbag nuts fringe.
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Yep, I was thinking that too.

I'd like to see the names of those who voted for the resolution to be made public.

I wouldn't hire any architect who supported Gage.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Yep, I was thinking that too.

I'd like to see the names of those who voted for the resolution to be made public.

I wouldn't hire any architect who supported Gage.
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I wouldn't be that harsh. They likely didn't know and only voted what sounded like a reasonable idea.

Nothing about the proposal actually supports the AE 9/11 agenda.

Only a true believer would consider that proposal to reflect the actual believes of the followers.
 
DGM said:
I wouldn't be that harsh. They likely didn't know and only voted what sounded like a reasonable idea.
Nothing about the proposal actually supports the AE 9/11 agenda.

Only a true believer would consider that proposal to reflect the actual believes of the followers.
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If they are that lacking in attention to detail I wouldn't want them working for me.
 
Energize the faithful, keep the money flowing to AE Truth.

It wasn't about winning or losing the vote, it was about keeping the issue in the news, show the faithful you are doing something, anything.

I believe Gage about 60, if he ride this train a few more years, then he can retire.
 
MileHighMadness said:
Energize the faithful, keep the money flowing to AE Truth.

It wasn't about winning or losing the vote, it was about keeping the issue in the news, show the faithful you are doing something, anything.

I believe Gage about 60, if he ride this train a few more years, then he can retire.
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He will never retire, as long as he can find a sucker, to pay his bills for him, for the paid vacations.
 
Oystein said:
150 new signatures?? I shall report if they really show up in the near future ;)
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Oh, sure. You bedunkers spin everything! Can't you see the growing Truth before your eyes. 160 votes of 3892, or 4.1%. At this rate, by 2025, we'll be getting close to "only losing by a little". :p


If I was the AIA, I'd watch Gage's next releases and presentations. They already admonished him to stop using their logo. You just know he's going to spin something from this into his appeals. (With just $200 more per supporter, we could've gotten 6% of the votes. Send money, now!)
 
I'm not inclined to think Gage is in it for the money or his ego.

I tend to think he's just another lost truther soul who really, really, really needs validation for his delusions.

He's doing the best he can for his cause, but all the while fighting reason and doubt so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong, like any other internet warrior.

He's just got a bigger stake in it due to circumstance, and is thus a bigger denier of truth.
 
Seen several truther commenters now who bemoan that the vast majority is still mistaken and only a tiny minority can apply science or common sense (or both; or they think both are the same) to the problem at hand. Example:
"Yes. Much thanks to these courageous folks!" at 911Blogger:
TomT said:
This vote scenario is kind of like a broken record of past historical significances where a few courageous people try to present scientific facts and common sense against a wave of flat earthers.
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Reminds me of the old joke where a guy on the freeway hears a radio warning of a Wrong-way driver on the freeway. "What?!", he shouts out "one Wrong-way driver?? Hundreds!!"

TomT said:
Of course, finally, in the end or generations later, everyone agrees that the earth is round.
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How ironic: The myth that for the longest time most learned people did not believe in a round earth was fabricated in the first half of the 19th century and has never been advanced by any serious historians or scientists - and yet here we have a truther who still believes it, 7 or 8 generations later.
 
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Orphia Nay said:
I'm not inclined to think Gage is in it for the money or his ego.

I tend to think he's just another lost truther soul who really, really, really needs validation for his delusions.

He's doing the best he can for his cause, but all the while fighting reason and doubt so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong, like any other internet warrior.

He's just got a bigger stake in it due to circumstance, and is thus a bigger denier of truth.
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Don't under estimate the feeling of power that comes with his position and the effect that can have on the human psyche.

He believes he is doing important work (even if the rest of us can see he is just treading water).

He is always surrounded by adoring fans and yes-men. All he gets is affirmation.

By process of attrition he has become the de-facto leader of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

He gets to travel the world spreading his gospel (and that is not too strong a word)

I don't see how that doesn't stroke the ego.
 
After undergoing such a public disaster any reasonable human being would give up but Gage and his followers will not.

One more question: stating "that those who opposed the resolution did not fully understand the official explanation of WTC 7’s destruction for which they claimed such adamant support" is openly saying they are incompetent or to put in question their Professional integrity. Could one or several of those who have voted against the resolution not find there a good motive to sue Barnum in front of court for defamation?
 
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Degeneve said:
After undergoing such a public disaster any reasonable human being would give up but Gage and his followers will not.
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I've highlighted the problem. 911 CTers and "reasonable" do not have even a passing acquaintance with each other.

One more question: stating "that those who opposed the resolution did not fully understand the official explanation of WTC 7’s destruction for which they claimed such adamant support" is openly saying they are incompetent or to put in question their Professional integrity. Could one or several of those who have voted against the resolution not find there a good motive to sue Barnum in front of court for defamation?
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Bit of a stretch, I think. The voters aren't identified by name. Defamation, slander and libel place a heavy burden of proof on the one accusing the other of such an act.
 
Oystein said:
Ha! I found an (inofficial) result:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1454349698190148/permalink/1473326486292469/

"Here are the results of the vote: In Favor - 160, Opposed - 3800"

That's a split of 4:96. Better than the 0:100 I predicted :(

Here were the other predictions:

Member | yes:no WilliamSeger |2:98
chrismohr |20:80 to 30:70
Fonebone |50:50
Crazy Chainsaw |18:82
jaydeehess |10:90
Oystein |0:100
jaydeehess 2 |1:99
Dave Rogers |100:0 (sic!)
I think that makes WilliamSeger the winner! What was the prize again? Winner gets to see a naked pony? Here ya go: :mpony :cheerleader1
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My generous prediction was conditiional on the people voting hearingv a full presentation by Richard Gage. Apparently, that happened after the vote. What would the viote have been had gage been allowed to do a one-hour presentation, then someone from the other side make a presentation, then a vote? I still think 80-20 against would have happened, instead of the 96-4 they got.
 
chrismohr said:
My generous prediction was conditiional on the people voting hearingv a full presentation by Richard Gage. Apparently, that happened after the vote. What would the viote have been had gage been allowed to do a one-hour presentation, then someone from the other side make a presentation, then a vote? I still think 80-20 against would have happened, instead of the 96-4 they got.
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I suspect Gage only got 160 because his cult members showed up, mindless drones fooled by an idiot.

You are wrong, listening to Gage would make the total less, unless the all 160 showed up because Gage's cult showed up.

Once Gage said path of greatest resistance, or thermite, or explosives, or CD - bingo, he is nuts, 100-0.

Gage looks like a cult leader, and I expect the Comet Gage to come by and sweep his ignorance, lies and delusions away.

Gage is a nut, it is amazing he got 4 percent to vote on the idiotic WTC 7 BS resolution based on paranoia, and ignorance.

How many of the 160 were full blown cult members of Gage's coven of nuts.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/arch...ates-make-the-political-dec/10152906387755745

Look at the comments; these people are nuts, they did not think for themselves, they googled up 911, and fell for the BS. These people were the kids in first grade who failed to pay attention when we taught them cause and effect. A grade school education is all that is required to see Gage is a nut, and he is self-debunking. Richard Gage is a liar, or an idiot.
 
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chrismohr said:
My generous prediction was conditiional on the people voting hearingv a full presentation by Richard Gage. Apparently, that happened after the vote. What would the viote have been had gage been allowed to do a one-hour presentation, then someone from the other side make a presentation, then a vote? I still think 80-20 against would have happened, instead of the 96-4 they got.
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If Gage had been allowed to make a full presentation, it would have been blindingly obvious that he was advocating full-on 9/11 truth. And that would have scuttered any chance of improving the vote in his favour.
 
chrismohr said:
My generous prediction was conditiional on the people voting hearingv a full presentation by Richard Gage. Apparently, that happened after the vote. What would the viote have been had gage been allowed to do a one-hour presentation, then someone from the other side make a presentation, then a vote? I still think 80-20 against would have happened, instead of the 96-4 they got.
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Remember your own debate with Gage? You had said that more people changed their minds to your side than his!
Admittedly, your debate was done in front of a solid majority truther audience, which means that many more people could have shifted your way than vice versa, with the AIA situation being the mirror image of that.

A good 1-hour counter-presentation might have exposed two or three of the main errors of Gage's presentation, might have shown he made those errors 8 years ago already, has been shown many times that they are wrong, and continues to make the false claims. In other words, show that Gage is a professional con man.

I am not sure 20% of the AIA delegates would fall for a con man properly exposed.
 
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I guess we'll never know, but you may be right. Oystein and Beachnut, one of the unavoidable facts is that there is no real growth in the "9/11 Truth movement." People go to Gage's lectures by the thousands, many are impressed when they hear his talk, but the numbers of active supporters stay stubbornly low. Other movements on both the political left and right grow exponentially because they have more basis in fact. For example, the Tea Party can show evidence that there are too many taxes and regulations; Occupy Wall Street can show evidence that the 2008 financial crash was proof of a corrupt political/financial system that needs a major overhaul. Whether you agree with one side, the other, or neither, the growth of both of these movements had at least some grounding in fact.

And Oystein it's true that in a crowd heavily dominated by 9/11 Truth people, twice as many people leaned in my direction as in Gage's after our debate! If Gage had given a presentation of any length at AIA and I or someone else who is up to speed on Gage's arguments had been there to rebut it for the same length of time, you may well be right that the vote would have been 96-4 or so against in any event. The call for a new investigation of the technical aspects of the WTC collapses ignores the pre-and post-NIST investigations of MIT professors, FEMA, countless universities, CTBUH and the FBI, to name just a few.
 
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chrismohr said:
My generous prediction was conditiional on the people voting hearingv a full presentation by Richard Gage. Apparently, that happened after the vote. What would the viote have been had gage been allowed to do a one-hour presentation, then someone from the other side make a presentation, then a vote? I still think 80-20 against would have happened, instead of the 96-4 they got.
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Better yet, what kind of moron wants to make a case, and is so inept that he schedules his presentation for after the vote on his case? :rolleyes:
 
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]The call for a new investigation of the technical aspects of the WTC collapses ignores the pre-and post-NIST investigations of MIT professors, FEMA, countless universities, CTBUH and the FBI, to name just a few.
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The WTC 7 CD theories also ignore the entire context of the events that day. To Gage & Co., WTC 7 is what the "magic bullet" was to some JFK conspiracists: a "hook" which, if you buy that the "official story" is impossible, implies that there must have been a hoax, which implies there must have been a conspiracy of some sort, even if you don't know what it was. And if you buy that, you're likely to buy even more dubious evidence, and pretty soon you're likely to continue believing there was a conspiracy even after your "magic bullets" are debunked.
 
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I guess we'll never know, but you may be right. Oystein and Beachnut, one of the unavoidable facts is that there is no real growth in the "9/11 Truth movement." People go to Gage's lectures by the thousands, many are impressed when they hear his talk, but the numbers of active supporters stay stubbornly low. Other movements on both the political left and right grow exponentially because they have more basis in fact. For example, the Tea Party can show evidence that there are too many taxes and regulations; Occupy Wall Street can show evidence that the 2008 financial crash was proof of a corrupt political/financial system that needs a major overhaul. Whether you agree with one side, the other, or neither, the growth of both of these movements had at least some grounding in fact.

And Oystein it's true that in a crowd heavily dominated by 9/11 Truth people, twice as many people leaned in my direction as in Gage's after our debate! If Gage had given a presentation of any length at AIA and I or someone else who is up to speed on Gage's arguments had been there to rebut it for the same length of time, you may well be right that the vote would have been 96-4 or so against in any event. The call for a new investigation of the technical aspects of the WTC collapses ignores the pre-and post-NIST investigations of MIT professors, FEMA, countless universities, CTBUH and the FBI, to name just a few.
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Most cults fail to grow to dominance because they face strong headwinds from opposing mainstream views. It took Christianity a few centuries. Gage doesn't really have to my mind nearly as strong a supporting cast of proselytizers as early Christianity did. I am very grateful that he didn't recruit a strong bench of second stringers before carrying the cross himself.
 
He can't even connect the dots between Shanksville and WTC7. How could he possibly build an effective cult? I give him a few more years, maybe 10, and he'll be retired on mutual funds from his six-figure annual donations. What a tool.
 
carlitos said:
He can't even connect the dots between Shanksville and WTC7. How could he possibly build an effective cult? I give him a few more years, maybe 10, and he'll be retired on mutual funds from his six-figure annual donations. What a tool.
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You can build a good cult with good people skills regardless of critical thinking. Fortunately he has neither, unfortunately not completely absent.
 
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