Moderated JFK conspiracy theories: it never ends III

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Where do I talk of human perfection?

When you established the standard that investigators were investigating the most important crimes of their careers and thereby would not have made any mistakes or departed in any way from what you deem proper police procedure. And then again when you insinuated that a person's memory of such an event would be especially reliable.

These are your conclusions, not mine.

Nope. They're your contrived standards. But if you'd now like to abandon your naive expectation along those lines, you may now proceed to show how the evidence supports coverup rather than human frailty as the most convincing explanation for the inconsistency you see in the evidence.

I do not know who killed JFK. If a person get convicted of murder and later found innocent on new evidence, let's say DNA-tests, do we have to know who the real killer is before we set the innocent free?

Apples and oranges. JFK conspiracy theorists constantly want to style their approach as a defense team exonerating Oswald. They adopt a legal approach that presumes Oswald was innocent, that rules of evidence apply, and that all they have to do is create reasonable doubt. That's not how history works. In an historical investigation you have to go farther than just casting murky doubt.

In the case of DNA, as in your analogy, we have to know that the killer is a different person than the convict, not merely that the DNA doesn't conclusively point to the convict. It does not matter whether that other person is identified so long as the test shows that he would be identifiable. That's how it works. DNA evidence of that form is affirmative exculpatory evidence, and the affirmative part of it still shoulders a burden of proof.

You are presenting an affirmative exculpatory theory, but you won't prove any of it.

There are no DNA-tests in the Oswald case, but all the alleged 'evidence' are tampered with...

"Tampered with" is your interpretation. The facts are as they are. Your interpretation of the facts is that the condition of evidence doesn't meet your expectations. There are two problems with that. First, your expectations are pure fantasy. Second, the explanation you offer pursuant to your interpretation is an affirmative claim of malfeasance for which you accept no burden of proof.

I have to start somewhere and I start with the bullet and the shells, mind you.

No. You think you have to start there in your carefully contrived plan, which is right out of the conspiracy theory playbook. The first step of your plan calls for you to set aside the conventional narrative in toto according to some begged absolute standard of proof, which you can only do by obsessing over insignificant detail that you pretend is crucial. Then you can promote your own hypothesis without any competition -- maybe even as the default which "must" hold after the conventional narrative is set aside.

In the real world you'd have to start by presenting your hypothesis, then going back and showing at each turn how your hypothesis better explains all the existing evidence, and requires fewer assumptions or untestable claims than the conventional narrative.
 
manifesto, JayUtah has spent some time offering you quite a few thoughts. Will you be responding?

This needn't be difficult, but avoiding a dialogue is not the best way to proceed. Or learn.
 
Manifesto:

Are you kidding? Thousands of relevant experts? What relevant experts from what part of the world have concluded what?

Be specific.


Any reason you're not responding to this?

Dr. Martin Fackler, Director, Wound Ballistics Laboratory, Letterman Army Institute of Research, San Francisco

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/pdf/fackler.pdf

Shifting the burden of proof, noted.

And since you all but admitted that you're working backwards here, care to share your theory?
 
No. I believed that the official verdict of Oswald as the lone assassin of JFK was on the whole correct. Since then I've read through most of the litteratur for and against this conclusion and are now of the opinion that it was a cover up and that Oswald probably told the truth. He was "just a patsy."

Well, there's your problem right there. Why are you reading any of the "litteratur [sic] for and against this conclusion" instead of reading the actual testimony of the eyewitnesses, the earwitnesses, and the expert testimony of those who actually are qualified by background, education, and training to render opinions?


There are no DNA-tests in the Oswald case, but all the alleged 'evidence' are tampered with in order to convince the public of his guilt. The "magic" bullet, the three empty shells, the Carcano short rifle, fingerprints, the paper bag, different testimonies regarding his whereabouts and on and on and ...

You've shown none of that. You've quoted a few non-expert authors and repeated some allegations. None of which are evidence of anything. I showed you how the video you cited used the same image twice as both sides of the same shell and you simply deflected it.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10709843#post10709843

To get around the issue, you simply claimed J.C.Day is a liar because of something the author said (which you didn't quote nor defend), and that you believe the author wouldn't lie, because he could be easily exposed. That is still a double-standard.

Hank
 
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Thousands of relevant experts? Name one.

J.C.Day. He collected much of the evidence from the Texas School Book Depository on the afternoon of the assassination.

You've simply asserted he was a liar and dismissed his claims. And accepted the claims of some author with no expertise whatsoever instead.

Will we be treated to the same treatment of all the other experts who testified in this case whose conclusions you don't like? I expect so.

Hank
 
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Are you kidding?

No.


In this stage, no, but he has shown us that there are no to us visible signatures, "DAY" or "GD", on the empty shells at NARA.

No, he's made that allegation. He's shown nothing of the sort. He would have to do more than allege he sees no initials to prove no initials. Has he looked at the images in every possible orientation? What mechanism did he use to establish "there are no ...visible signatures"?


I'm waiting for confirmation regarding the number of photos taken, and if it adds up, I'm pretty sure Krusch is right. 95%.

Confirmation of what sort, from where and who?


If you read Krusch's free of charge chapter in his book, you'll see that Lt Day is lying all the time.

You're basically asking me to rebut an entire chapter of Krusch's book. My time is too valuable. Why don't you post some of the "evidence" that indicates that "Lt Day is lying all the time" and we'll discuss. The burden is on you to prove this claim, not on me to disprove it by rebutting a chapter of an author's book.


The cover up was improvised and very sloppy at best, but it doesn't matter when you are in power, invoking National Security and the imminent threat of 40 million dead americans in a nuclear war. That is the benign version.

No evidence of any of that provided.
 
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Yes, but what was the FBI sop for signing custody? Was it ink as BStrong claims, or was it diamond, or was it both ... or something else?

It appears to be diamond stylus, as the "Q6" FBI designation was in that form.


You can download all the HD photographs on Kuschs homepage (bottom):
http://www.krusch.com/jfk/
Still unsure?

I see plenty of scratches and markings. I don't see how Krusch eliminated any of those as J.C.Day's signature. Or the FBI signatures.


If the custody marks were made in ink, that could be the reasonable explanation for the (alleged) missing signatures, yes..

It doesn't appear ink was used. To me, from here.


If you ask me if I believe that Krusch and Hunt are lying about their observations, I say no. A look att the rest of the 'evidence' in this two cases is very telling.

Circular reasoning... you're supporting your unproven allegations about the bullet and three shells with other unproven allegations about other evidence. I suspect we'll go around on this and you'll support those unproven allegations about the other evidence with the unproven allegations about the shells and bullets.

Why invoke other evidence? Just prove Krusch and Hunt are telling the truth about these two points of evidence.

Unless, of course, you can't.

Hank
 
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manifesto said:
The cover up was improvised and very sloppy at best, but it doesn't matter when you are in power, invoking National Security and the imminent threat of 40 million dead americans in a nuclear war. That is the benign version.
And here we see yet again the important-man-had-to-have-been-killed-for-an-important-reason-he-couldn't-have-been-offed-by-an-insignificant-nobody line of reverse-engineered thinking.
 
And here we see yet again the important-man-had-to-have-been-killed-for-an-important-reason-he-couldn't-have-been-offed-by-an-insignificant-nobody line of reverse-engineered thinking.

It's hard for some people to believe that sometimes individuals lose their life to a stranger for little or no reason at all.

Take a loser with a rifle, throw in dissatisfaction and delusions, underachiever personally and professionally, you've got a recipe for tragedy.
 
And here we see yet again the important-man-had-to-have-been-killed-for-an-important-reason-he-couldn't-have-been-offed-by-an-insignificant-nobody line of reverse-engineered thinking.
Using that other classic tactic that whatever-evidence-doesn't-fit-the-CT-proponents-predetermined-conclusions-may-freely-be-discounted-as-lies-and/or-forgeries.
 
It's hard for some people to believe that sometimes individuals lose their life to a stranger for little or no reason at all.

Take a loser with a rifle, throw in dissatisfaction and delusions, underachiever personally and professionally, you've got a recipe for tragedy.
I've never understood how anyone familiar with even an decent outline of Oswald's biography could come to the conclusion he was incapable, either mentally or physically, of the act.
 
I've never understood how anyone familiar with even an decent outline of Oswald's biography could come to the conclusion he was incapable, either mentally or physically, of the act.

If the events of the day went down w/o the killing of J.D. Tippet and LHO's capture, on his Russian adventures alone he would have been a suspect worth a look.

I too find it odd that folks really, really want to assert that LHO couldn't have committed the act when as you noted, you take a look at the guy and with 20/20 hindsight LHO looks like a perfect candidate for a cluster homicide shooter.
 
In the case of Lt Day you have 75 years of no access to the evidence and after that special admission to investigate it. In the case of Krusch you just need a telephone.

And yes, I do not trust DPD 1963. Do you?


Does 75 years where you're from equal 52 earth years? How long ago do you think the assassination happened, anyway?

You haven't shown any reasons to doubt the evidence collected by J.C.Day and others.

You're simply claiming, based on no evidence put forward whatsoever, that J.C.Day is a liar.

Why should I call Krusch? He's not an expert and has no standing in this case. He's a conspiracy theorist trying to sell books (even the link you cited recommended buying his book).

Hank
 
But you have to quote Hunt out of context to make this conclusion. He is explicitly talking of the WC hearing and the extraordinary fact that Specter did not ask the person who first found the bullet to identify it. Specter, hence the WC, "never" asked him to do that.


No, I simply have to quote Hunt, who said Tomlinson was *never shown* the bullet. He did not qualify it as *never shown by Specter*.

And remember the more important point: Hunt never showed us the entire bullet either, in claiming JC Day's initials are nowhere to be found on the bullet. Why do you suppose that was?



Yes, it's a well known memo.

Except to Hunt, apparently, who did not mention it whatsoever in the article and especially not when claiming that Tomlinson was never shown the bullet.



Hunt is saying that the WC did not verify the chain of custody of CE-399 by asking the person who found it if he could identify it.

Tomlinson was asked that very question per the FBI memo.


Not when Specter interviewed him March -64, not ever never. Remember, it was the task of WC to investigate first and foremost the veracity of FBI's investigation of the assassination.

Hilarious. Now you're just making stuff up. It was never the task of the Warren Commission "to investigate first and foremost the veracity of FBI's investigation of the assassination" as you allege.

Here's the citation: http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-01.html

It was part of their task to examine the evidence provided by the FBI:

The purposes of the Commission are to examine the evidence developed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and any additional evidence that may hereafter come to light or be uncovered by federal or state authorities; to make such further investigation as the Commission finds desirable; to evaluate all the facts and circumstances surrounding such assassination, including the subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination, and to report to me its findings and conclusions.


It would have been easy for WC to send someone over at a later date when they had access to CE-399, but they didn't. "Never".

They decided early on to rely on the FBI and other agencies rather than hire their own investigative staff. They decided this in their first meeting as a commission:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcexec/wcex1205/html/WCEX1205_0004a.htm (see the 4th and 5th paragraphs in particular on the page cited).

That means, in fact, that the FBI memos done for the Warren Commission, or at the behest of the Commission staff, in the investigation of the assassination, are in fact, Warren Commission documents -- as much so as any memo by Specter or Liebeler or Belin. With the FBI having shown the bullet to Tomlinson and asking him to identify it, sending a Warren Commission staff member like one of the aforementioned three to do the same thing is simply redundant as far as the Warren Commission was concerned. You are making a distinction without a difference.

In short, this memo might as well have "Warren Commission" as its letterhead:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0215b.htm
(and note it IS assigned a Commission Exhibit number of CE2011).

And Hunt is therefore not being honest when he claims Tomlinson was never shown the bullet and also not mentioning this memo.


He is proud of his decades long service in the FBI. If he had been responsible for CE-399, the most famous bullet in the history of USA, the World, take it to Parkland and show it to Thomlinson and Wright, making notes, filing a report and send it back to HQ in Washington D.C., he would not remember it?.

Yes, that's entirely possible. How many decades after the assassination was he interviewed about this? I asked before, you never did answer. Do you remember everything you did the same amount of time ago?


The most important task in his career? He was still alert, with no sign of dementia or other old age brain impairment..

Wait, what? Showing a hospital orderly a bullet was the most important task of his career? How did you ascertain that? It seems like mere hyperbole to me. Do list the top five or top ten things in his career, and do tell me what methodology you utilized to determine this was "The most important task".

Or retract the claim, because you actually have no way of knowing what he did for the entirety of his career, and where showing a bullet to a hospital orderly would rank.


On top of that, there is no report of this interview to be found anywhere. All the similar files are found and all in chronological order with no gaps in the time line. Again. No files, no witnesses ....

I'm wagering this is also hyperbole. I doubt highly that every document except this one has been found, and released.


Odum has no conceivable reason to lie.

That's the LOGICAL FALLACY known as a strawman argument. Nobody suggested Odum was lying. Please try to rebut the points I make, not the ones you wish I made (apologies to JayUtah for stealing his line).


If you read Krusch's artikel on the twists and turns of among others, Lt Day, his behavior and contradictory recollections, there is ample evidence of foul play. How foul? Very.

Well then, it shouldn't take you long to expose said foul behavior here. Do post that "ample evidence of foul play" here. We'll wait.


No, you are simply wrong.

A simple assertion with no evidence provided in support. Curious that you would think that would be convincing. As I said originally: So it reduces to you don't like the available evidence. And you're cherry-picking what you do accept. No big surprise there. We knew you were going to argue that going in.

Hank
 
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And if the FBI was going to make up stuff and put it into a memo, why didn't they put down that Tomlinson did identify the bullet positively as the one he found?

Why would they go to the trouble of making up a memo that said Tomlinson was shown a bullet but failed to identify it definitely as the one he found?

And then not tell Odum to be sure to remember to play along?

Or at the very least, fake a memo bearing Odum's signature saying he asked Tomlinson about the bullet?

And per the bullet and three shells, I think your argument (and Hunt's and Krusch's) is that this bullet and these three shells are not the originals, they have been swapped out for faked ones later. But wouldn't the conspirators know they had to fake the initials of everyone who initialed that evidence, and do just that?

Your theory about this conspiracy requires some awfully dumb conspirators.

Don't you think?

Hank
 
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Yes: it's not very interesting, relevant or meaningful. You'll have to find a better "hole" in the history books.
So, if the CE-399 really is evidence in the case against Oswald is not "very interesting, relevant or meaningful"?
 
I watched the video. I don't get it.

None of this suggests a conspiracy, and none of this proves LHO didn't shoot.
Right.

1. It suggest that the three empty shells isn't the evidence it is supposed to be.

2. Since the signed documents and sworn testimonies says it is the authentic shells, the shells have to be planted. There is no other conceivable explanation.

3. What are the possible implications of this fact? This is another discussion of which I would love to take part.


Any ideas?
 
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Yes, that's what I said. You think that your scrutiny is more exact than those of thousands of relevant experts from around the world. How rational does this sound to you ?
My scrutiny is on display here. If you find my reasoning faulty or my facts wrong please say so, but be specific and explain in detail why you disagree.
 
Don't toy with me. You know full well that only a fringe group of ingnorants claim that Oswald was a "patsy" and so on. I'm asking you if you think believing that the laymen's opinion is more accurate than the experts' is rational.
No. You belong to the "fringe group", Bez... Does this mean that you're wrong? Not necessary.
 
Since you won't state your conclusion I guess I just have to take your word for it.
So far I have put forward two cases of 'evidence' that isn't the 'evidence' it's supposed to be. There is more, but I have to begin somewhere.


Are you referring to a case other than the assassination of JFK by LHO?
No?


The burden of proof is on you.
What proof of tampering are you missing in my two cases so far?


The WC came to the conclusion that LHO committed the act. I have looked at the same evidence that's available to you and I agree with that conclusion based on the preponderance of the evidence.
Have you also looked att the preponderance of evidence of tampering with the evidence?


You want to use the completion backwards principle as an investigative technique have at it, but don't be surprised if you present your version of events to a professional and they reject your process and conclusion.
Name one piece of evidence that you find particularly strong in the case against Oswald.


Any reason not to address the link I posted to Dr. Fackler's paper?
My question was directed to Bez...


You asked for an expert and I provided same.
No I asked Bez... to present "one of all the thousands of experts from all over the world" who agrees with what particular conclusion from the Warren Commission.

I do believe that you actually understand why I ask of that.
 
Evidence:

His gun(s).
Not according to the official evidence, no.


Shots came from his place of employment.
Yes. Does this make him the shooter? No.


He was in the building at the time.
Says who?


Fled the scene.
Left the scene, yes. So did lots of people. Fled? Says who?


Killed a DPD officer who stopped him, ...
The so called technical evidence is a joke. The witness line ups are really funny to. "Hm ... who can it be ... maybe the guy with the black eye and trashed dirty T-shirt ... hm ... ?"


... tried to kill a second one when they confronted him in the theater.
There are three different versions of this little incident. Which one do you find particularly convincing?


That list right there is enough to have got LHO the chair. But wait, there's more...
I can't wait ...


Oswald took off his wedding band the morning of the assassination and left it on his dresser.
Says who? And if so, could there be another explanation for this?


He was run out of a parking garage late one night before the assassination. The garage overlooked the parade route. LHO had no car, and therefore no reason to be in a parking garage other than scouting locations to shoot from.
This one was new to me. Why was he scouting locations when he allegedly had a perfect shot from his working place?


On the day of the assassination, LHO once he left his boarding house, was headed in the direction of the bus depot.
Was he? According to his land lady he was standing at the bus stop waiting for a bus heading at the opposite direction of that of the Tippit shooting?


Was he planning a trip somewhere? He'd taken the bus to Mexico at least once prior.
Yes, his 12 dollars would take him far far away ...


You have nothing concrete to counter any of this.
This is crap. Is this all you've got?
 
So, if the CE-399 really is evidence in the case against Oswald is not "very interesting, relevant or meaningful"?

No. Particularly when markings are present on the shells and it takes a 180 rotation to purloin Q47 into LHO if you invest in pareidolia. Your original claim was that there were no markings, now it has munged into there are markings but they must be wrong and can be interpreted anyhow you like.

Still, quibbling over markings does not let you off the hook. You are desperately avoiding presenting an alternate scenario, let alone evidence for whatever scenario you may present, preferring to ascribe to some other scenario which you remain unable or unwilling to identify. Not good enough. It is no more than an appeal to the invisible dragon in my garage and equally as credible a claim.
 
Well, there's your problem right there. Why are you reading any of the "litteratur [sic] for and against this conclusion" instead of reading the actual testimony of the eyewitnesses, the earwitnesses, and the expert testimony of those who actually are qualified by background, education, and training to render opinions?
Where did I state that I have not read "the actual testimony of the eyewitnesses, the earwitnesses, and the expert testimony ... "? Are you just making stuff up as you go?


You've shown none of that. You've quoted a few non-expert authors and repeated some allegations. None of which are evidence of anything. I showed you how the video you cited used the same image twice as both sides of the same shell and you simply deflected it.
And I gave you the link to all the HD photographs taken by the staff at NARA. Did you find any evidence in these photographs that indicate that Krusch is deceptive in his video?


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10709843#post10709843

To get around the issue, you simply claimed J.C.Day is a liar because of something the author said (which you didn't quote nor defend), and that you believe the author wouldn't lie, because he could be easily exposed. That is still a double-standard.
What? If lt Day is telling the truth his initials should be on the three shells archived as evidence in NARA. According to the staff in NARA his initials are not there (no pointer).

Are the staff at NARA lying to us?
 
I asked Bez... and no, I'm not the one "working backwards".

No. You belong to the "fringe group", Bez... Does this mean that you're wrong? Not necessary.

My question was directed to Bez...



No I asked Bez... to present "one of all the thousands of experts from all over the world" who agrees with what particular conclusion from the Warren Commission.
Kindly cease borking another member's name. It can only be intentional at this point. It is a violation of the MA you signed up to. Stop doing it.
 
What?


Particularly when markings are present on the shells and it takes a 180 rotation to purloin Q47 into LHO if you invest in pareidolia. Your original claim was that there were no markings, now it has munged into there are markings but they must be wrong and can be interpreted anyhow you like.
Why are you talking about the shells when CE-399 is clearly a bullet?


Still, quibbling over markings does not let you off the hook. You are desperately avoiding presenting an alternate scenario, let alone evidence for whatever scenario you may present, preferring to ascribe to some other scenario which you remain unable or unwilling to identify. Not good enough. It is no more than an appeal to the invisible dragon in my garage and equally as credible a claim.
This is pure crap and you know it. If the evidence is not evidence then you need other evidence to support your case. Very simple.
 
Where did I state that I have not read "the actual testimony of the eyewitnesses, the earwitnesses, and the expert testimony ... "? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
Nor did you affirmatively claim that you had. You only affirmatively claimed to have read the usual crank sites. Nuff said.


And I gave you the link to all the HD photographs taken by the staff at NARA. Did you find any evidence in these photographs that indicate that Krusch is deceptive in his video?
Yes.

What? If lt Day is telling the truth his initials should be on the three shells archived as evidence in NARA. According to the staff in NARA his initials are not there (no pointer).
Once again, you are applying your very own special standards to procedures whose details you seem unable to substantiate.

Are the staff at NARA lying to us?
Or are you making crap up?
 
Kindly cease borking another member's name. It can only be intentional at this point. It is a violation of the MA you signed up to. Stop doing it.
I'm not "borking" his name. I'm referring to it.

Are you calling yourself a sceptic, abaddon?
 
Gentlemen,

I predict that the next dead end from our new contributor will be along the lines of 40 medical witnesses and another round of pin the head wound on the drawing.
 
I'm not "borking" his name. I'm referring to it.

Are you calling yourself a sceptic, abaddon?

No, abaddon is simply pointing out that you are avoiding the information and questions posted by individuals other then Belz.

What do have against Dr. Fackler as an expert in GSW's and terminal ballistics?
 
Nor did you affirmatively claim that you had. You only affirmatively claimed to have read the usual crank sites. Nuff said.
Nor did I affirmatively claim that I've read, hm ... lets see ... the "Lopez report". Do you want me to affirmatively state that too?


How?


Once again, you are applying your very own special standards to procedures whose details you seem unable to substantiate.
No I'm presenting the evidence here, in this forum, for all to see. If there is any problem with it, be specific.


Or are you making crap up?
No. You are!


Are you considering you self a sceptic, abaddon?
 
Gentlemen,

I predict that the next dead end from our new contributor will be along the lines of 40 medical witnesses and another round of pin the head wound on the drawing.
Why are there no initials on the three shells in spite of the sworn testimony from lt Day?
 
1. It suggest that the three empty shells isn't the evidence it is supposed to be.

Or conversely it suggests that your understanding of the evidence and its context is flawed.

2. Since the signed documents and sworn testimonies says it is the authentic shells, the shells have to be planted. There is no other conceivable explanation.

Your inability to conceive of another explanation does not make it so. You are pitting the evidence against your naive expectations for what it should look like. You refuse to consider that the "inconsistency" may be entirely of your own devising.

"The shells have to be planted" is a specific affirmative claim. It does not stand as the default simply because you cannot think of anything else.

3. What are the possible implications of this fact? This is another discussion of which I would love to take part.

Why not now? You admit you have an alternate theory. But despite attestations such as the one above, you patently refuse to discuss it. I interpret that to mean you want the discussion of your theory to proceed solely on your contrived terms, which first require the conventional narrative to be categorically set aside so that it provides no competition.

Why would we not rightly suspect that your hidden alternate theory is really what's driving your questions?

Any ideas?

I've given you lots of ideas which you have assiduously ignored. Asking for input makes you look silly when you ignore the input that's given.
 
Nor did I affirmatively claim that I've read, hm ... lets see ... the "Lopez report". Do you want me to affirmatively state that too?
No. Can you affirmatively claim anything?

That is your problem. So far, no, you have no valid claim.

No I'm presenting the evidence here, in this forum, for all to see. If there is any problem with it, be specific.
What evidence have you presented? So far none at all.

No. You are!
I made no claims. You made claims. The burden of proof rest with you.

Are you considering you self a sceptic, abaddon?
Correct. I am skeptical unless and until you provide evidence of your claims.
 
Nope. You persist in calling him "Bez". That is not his name, yet you persist in using that term. That can only be intentional.
Ah, sorry, did not see that "l". I got confused by the dots... I apologize. I will spell it Belz... from now on.
 
Gentlemen,

I predict that the next dead end from our new contributor will be along the lines of 40 medical witnesses and another round of pin the head wound on the drawing.

All CTists have run true to form. This one is dishonestly ignoring all questions just like the others. When will we get an honest one who has courage to state their case? This current one is certainly disappointing.
 
Where did I state that I have not read "the actual testimony of the eyewitnesses, the earwitnesses, and the expert testimony ... "? Are you just making stuff up as you go?

You implied as much by referencing, not the actual testimony, but stuff you read elsewhere ("litteratur [sic] for and against this conclusion"). Will you now affirm you've read all 26 volumes of evidence as published in the Warren Commission volumes of evidence (including the 15 volumes of testimony), and all the HSCA volumes on the Kennedy assassination? Including all the expert opinions of those people qualified to render judgments on the various issues?


And I gave you the link to all the HD photographs taken by the staff at NARA. Did you find any evidence in these photographs that indicate that Krusch is deceptive in his video?

Already pointed out that the video was deceptive because it only showed three quarters of the first shell. You ignored it.

The photos also show plenty of markings that appear to my eye to not be random. No arguments from you or Krusch about why those markings should be ignored. Or how it was determined they were random markings.


What? If lt Day is telling the truth his initials should be on the three shells archived as evidence in NARA. According to the staff in NARA his initials are not there (no pointer). Are the staff at NARA lying to us?

Where did the staff at NARA say anything like this? They didn't. You are simply repeating claims from Krusch, whom you apparently believe implicitly, no matter what his claims.

I already pointed out the three shells show plenty of markings, none of which were pointed out in any photos, other than possibly one "Q6" indicator (and it's actually unclear whether the pointer is indicating that marking or the apparent "JDY" marking).

You haven't shown (and Krusch hasn't shown) that J.C.Day's markings are NOT on the shells. You've simply alleged it, as Krusch has alleged it. But there's no methodology advanced by you or Krusch explaining how Krusch eliminated any of the markings as someone's initials, to arrive at the supposed conclusion that Day's initials or name is not there.

I even pointed out that Day didn't say he marked it on the external part of the shells, but could have initialed the interior of the shells, just inside the cavity where the projectile will go. True to form, you just ignored the point entirely, asking only if I was serious. You never did confront the point or try to explain why Day's initials couldn't or wouldn't be found there.

We're still waiting for you to prove what you and Krusch are alleging -- that Day's initials or name are not on any of the three shells.

You keep repeating the allegation as if it's true, but you still haven't tried to prove it. Your arguments about what the missing markings imply are meaningless without that proof.

Ball is still in your court.

Hank
 
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