The Deniers will really get upset about "Denial"..

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It's a film about the Deborah Lipstadt libel trial,with Rachel Weisz as Lipstadt and Timothy Spell as David Irving. The venom is really going to pour from them when this opens.....
I have seen a photo of Lipstadt posing with Weisz,watch the deniers go crazy over that......
 
dudalb said:
It's a film about the Deborah Lipstadt libel trial,with Rachel Weisz as Lipstadt and Timothy Spell as David Irving. The venom is really going to pour from them when this opens.....
I have seen a photo of Lipstadt posing with Weisz,watch the deniers go crazy over that......
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We already had the deniers criticise the film on the Skeptic Society's anti-holocaust denial sub-forum. It was exactly as you predicted.

David the holocaust denier said:
"If you read History on Trial Deborah Lipstadt comes across as a paranoid, rabid zionist who wears a lot of politically correct make-up She is, "“deeply troubled by intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews.”
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http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=25524&hilit=Rachel+Weisz#p475177

It is simply a television movie made for profit and not a documentary. It will probably contain inaccurate vignettes and sub-plots for artistic and commercial reasons. The "People VS Larry Flint" movie was exactly the same. It was just entertainment.
 
Border Reiver said:
But, Rachel Weisz! How can anyone not like?
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I have all the respect in the world for Deborah Lipstadt, but there is one inaccuracy in the film's casting: Weisz is a lot prettier then Lipstadt.


And of course James Bond would marry a hottie.....
 
I was gonna say...I've met Dr. Lipstadt (we have mutual friends), and she does not look anything like Rachel Weisz.
 
Cleon said:
I was gonna say...I've met Dr. Lipstadt (we have mutual friends), and she does not look anything like Rachel Weisz.
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Weisz is also a producer on the film (in fact, it was her project from the beginning) so I think it was never in doubt who would play Lipstadt.
Weisz is a very good actress,and,let's face it, when it comes to famous women Hollywood always tends to "Pretty them up"in the film version.
I have had a "thing" for Weisz ever since "The Mummy" (1999). She brings a whole new meaning to the term "Nice Jewish Girl".:D
 
dudalb said:
I have all the respect in the world for Deborah Lipstadt, but there is one inaccuracy in the film's casting: Weisz is a lot prettier then Lipstadt.


And of course James Bond would marry a hottie.....
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You'd be hard pressed to find an actress who is not prettier than Deborah Lipstadt. But if Robert Redford can play Bob Woodward....
 
dudalb said:
Weisz is also a producer on the film (in fact, it was her project from the beginning) so I think it was never in doubt who would play Lipstadt.
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Actually, Hillary Swank was originally cast to play Lipstadt, which was a good choice even if as usual Swank and Lipstadt were hardly identical twins. Rachel Weisz was also a good choice to take over the role, as can be seen in these on-set photos. The jogging clothes look like they have been in storage since 2000, and aren't a million miles away from photos in Lipstadt's memoir of the trial. Weisz is nine years younger than Lipstadt was in 2000.

Timothy Spall also doesn't look "exactly" like David Irving, but it looks like he will do a decent likeness.

The closest matching of actors to real life personalities has to be the cast of 'Spotlight', as this compare-and-contrast shows.
 
None of the people who made this movie contacted David Irving. He is the one who initiated the legal action not Deborah Lipstadt. Biased much ? -
http://codoh.com/library/document/4134/
Revisionist reporting on the movie and the real life trial -
http://codoh.com/library/document/4101/
The trailer for Denial shows a deliberate misrepresentation of what David Irving said to Deborah Lipstadt in Atlanta Georgia on November 11 1994. The trailer shows Irving saying "I've got a thousand dollars to give anyone who can show me a document that proves the holocaust". In real life Lipstadt claimed she knew "a blueprint of a gas chamber complete with the openings through which the SS tipped the pellets of cyanide". Irving's response was "I have here a thousand dollars for you if you can produce to this audience, now or at any time in the future, this document about which you have just lied to them".
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10617
A documentary has been made about Denial exposing fallacies in the film -
http://denialthefilm.com
 
Mondial said:
He is the one who initiated the legal action not Deborah Lipstadt. Biased much ? -
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Pretty much everyone knows Irving sued Lipstadt and not the other way around. Irving, like all other Deniers, was a coward: they talk big about "free speech", if it's for them and not anyone else. Just look at how Irving was bullied by the other Deniers because he "turned around"
 
Mondial said:
None of the people who made this movie contacted David Irving. He is the one who initiated the legal action not Deborah Lipstadt. Biased much ? -
http://codoh.com/library/document/4134/
Revisionist reporting on the movie and the real life trial -
http://codoh.com/library/document/4101/
The trailer for Denial shows a deliberate misrepresentation of what David Irving said to Deborah Lipstadt in Atlanta Georgia on November 11 1994. The trailer shows Irving saying "I've got a thousand dollars to give anyone who can show me a document that proves the holocaust". In real life Lipstadt claimed she knew "a blueprint of a gas chamber complete with the openings through which the SS tipped the pellets of cyanide". Irving's response was "I have here a thousand dollars for you if you can produce to this audience, now or at any time in the future, this document about which you have just lied to them".
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10617
A documentary has been made about Denial exposing fallacies in the film -
http://denialthefilm.com
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Of course, a revisionist report or documentary is completely unbiased isn't it?
 
So were Ishtar, John Carter and Ghostbusters (2016). So? Avatar was a box office smash, does that mean that there is a planet out there with giant blue aliens?
 
Denial also wasn't in very wide release (648 theaters at its widest release, compared to 2,419 theaters for even the crappy super-niche Evangelical film God's Not Dead 2). The box office totals also don't include non-US theaters, since it hasn't opened anywhere else besides Israel and Italy.
 
Reported the thread for cleaning. We should not encourage the deniers to come out of their reservation.

I saw the movie. Was fine, with a couple of strong scenes. I prefer the docu-drama "History on Trial" though.
 
This thread is about a film. General holocaust denial posts go, as always, in the main thread and I have therefore moved a couple of posts to there.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha
 
In the movie, and in reality, the first time Irving and Lipstadt met was at a lecture given by Lipstadt. Irving himself made a vid discussing the encounter, and it is instructive to see how the accounts differ .... you can see Irving's vid here ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyeSdtEiEk8
 
A'isha said:
Denial also wasn't in very wide release (648 theaters at its widest release, compared to 2,419 theaters for even the crappy super-niche Evangelical film God's Not Dead 2). The box office totals also don't include non-US theaters, since it hasn't opened anywhere else besides Israel and Italy.
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God's not dead 2 - but we just pulled his oxygen and shot him up with cyanide!!!!
 
Saggy said:
In the movie, and in reality, the first time Irving and Lipstadt met was at a lecture given by Lipstadt. Irving himself made a vid discussing the encounter, and it is instructive to see how the accounts differ .... you can see Irving's vid here ...
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Irrelevant.

Irving lost his court case - his opinion on this encounter with Lipstadt is not germane to the facts.
 
The deniers were indeed upset, and as evidence we have the vid linked below, a vicious attack on the movie, but it does have some funny and telling moments featuring the beautiful and sexy Kate Winslett and the funny Ricky Gervais, right at the beginning .... Winslett won the academy award, as well as the golden globe, for 'The Reader'.

Denial Holocaust Movie Part 2 Gas Showers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPyKn_IFyEM
 
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Rachel Weisz was on my list of freebees for a long time. She got pushed out by Gal Gadot. In fact, everyone on my list is Jewish, married and has children except for Anna Kendrick.

I'm old is my point.
 
A'isha said:
Denial also wasn't in very wide release (648 theaters at its widest release, compared to 2,419 theaters for even the crappy super-niche Evangelical film God's Not Dead 2). The box office totals also don't include non-US theaters, since it hasn't opened anywhere else besides Israel and Italy.
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Soooooooo- the evangelicals lied on film at least twice!!!!!!!!!:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp
 
dudalb said:
I have all the respect in the world for Deborah Lipstadt, but there is one inaccuracy in the film's casting: Weisz is a lot prettier then Lipstadt.
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I know what you mean. I was really upset when they got Jesse Eisenberg to play me in The Social Network. I absolutely do not look that Jewish.
 
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