I think the Kangaroo Punch video is most likey fake.

marplots said:
At first it was challenging. And then I remembered this was Australia we were talking about.
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Yes, we also have this little cute Octopus, about the size of an Australian 50 cent piece.

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If you want to pick one up, make your will and get it witnessed first.

As far as Kangaroos, I have fed and petted many smaller ones ("Skippy" types") in my lifetime, but never a Big Red. I am yet to be convinced that a six foot tall Roo with raptor type claws is ever going to be my best friend.


Norm
 
I used to swim quite a bit.

The two things that really scared me were these fresh water rock fish things I had head about and this one particular jellyfish i forget the name of.

I met one guy who was a pretty hard bloke but he told me I should watch out in the swim hole that i used to go to because they had this rock fish there.

He told me about a time when he had stood on one. I could see the trauma of the event in his face. Still clearly shell shocked by it
He told me the pain had been unbearable and like nothing he had ever experienced.

Tears began to form in his eyes just thinking of it.





The jellyfish thing - that was one that i think was not deadly.

Its main symptom however (as advertised on the notice boards at beaches) was
" An overwhelming sense of dread"

Imagine that.


The wildlife in Australia can be cruel and unusual.
 
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Kangaroos are all CGI these days but check out early film like Skippy.

Whoever was behind the pupptering in that series was no Jim Henson.
 
Don't listen to gossip. The people in this thread that claim to be Australian, are really Chinese CGI representations of Australians. The people feigning ignorance about kangaroos are really Australians.

My point is; kangaroos really are polar bears. They love salmon, ice, and human brains.

And sled dogs. As evidenced in the OP video.
 
Watch the video a few seperate times.


1. watch only the man and his body language and his actions..

2. now watch it again watching only the dark dog

3. now watch it again watching only the lighter dog.


Sorry guys, those dogs look like they are playing, and the man looks like he is interacting with another human.

Same with the dogs.

I know this is early days, but I'm calling it right now.


The kangaroo is actually a man in a motion capture suit who is later edited out and replaced by a CGI kangaroo.


As usual I will be open to taking bets on this if the odds given are good enough.


Examples of a motion capture suit -

https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/mi.../andy-serkis-motion-capture-2014-07-11-01.jpg

http://www.gstarstudios.com/GStarWebAlbumApril2011/motioncapturesuit.jpg
 
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marplots said:
Does "media manipulation" include text? Are people who write fake things getting better at it too?

Like, say someone took on a controversial position but didn't actually believe what they claimed. Is that still fairly easy to spot, or has the exponential curve of convincing lies already passed that point, so that naive readers like me don't have a chance?
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The only hoax in this thread is the title and claimed subject of the thread. This is not media manipulation; it's discussion forum manipulation.
 
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esspee said:
1. watch only the man and his body language and his actions..

2. now watch it again watching only the dark dog

3. now watch it again watching only the lighter dog.


Sorry guys, those dogs look like they are playing, and the man looks like he is interacting with another human.

Same with the dogs.
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These dogs are trained to hunt hogs. They are not trained to hunt kangaroos or even to interact with them. As far as the dogs are concerned, kangaroos are mute people who hop around. Then their owner comes running and he treats the kangaroo as if it's another person too. They run around not knowing what to do because they are trained to hunt hogs not kangaroos or humans - and they are reacting to the kangaroo as if it's just a bloke.

This also explains why the dog is calm during the time that the kangaroo is embracing him. The dog just thinks that he is being hugged and held by a person who he hasn't met before. Cool, maybe he has a biscuit for me as well. I'm being a good boy and I should get that biscuit. The dog has no clue that the kangaroo person is potentially dangerous. He still didn't learn anything about the threat that kangaroos represent.
 
William Parcher said:
These dogs are trained to hunt hogs. They are not trained to hunt kangaroos or even to interact with them. As far as the dogs are concerned, kangaroos are mute people who hop around. Then their owner comes running and he treats the kangaroo as if it's another person too. They run around not knowing what to do because they are trained to hunt hogs not kangaroos or humans - and they are reacting to the kangaroo as if it's just a bloke.

This also explains why the dog is calm during the time that the kangaroo is embracing him. The dog just thinks that he is being hugged and held by a person who he hasn't met before. Cool, maybe he has a biscuit for me as well. I'm being a good boy and I should get that biscuit. The dog has no clue that the kangaroo person is potentially dangerous. He still didn't learn anything about the threat that kangaroos represent.
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...because he is being hugged and held by a person.

A person in a motion capture suit.


and they are reacting to the kangaroo as if it's just a bloke.
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because....
 
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esspee said:
...because he is being hugged and held by a person.

A person in a motion capture suit.
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Tricking a skeptics forum into believing that you believe something. The kangaroo punch video is most likey fake. Is that your pinnacle of personal achievement - to fool these people into thinking that you think that?

These motion capture suits, are the used out in the field or inside production studios?
 
William Parcher said:
Tricking a skeptics forum into believing that you believe something. The kangaroo punch video is most likey fake. Is that your pinnacle of personal achievement - to fool these people into thinking that you think that?

These motion capture suits, are the used out in the field or inside production studios?
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Unsure in this case.

COuld be either. WHich is why i included an outside suit and an inside green screen suit as examples.


Now as for who is behind it - the most likely culprits are of course these guys:

https://www.facebook.com/thewoolshedcompany

It fits in with their other work, and the way they tell stories in their work.

But to be honest it could be any number of people/studios.


As i have said before - viral hoax video production/technology as a discipline is in a boom phase right now.
Lots of people doing it.

These guys are just the most open and least candid about what they do.
 
The video is credited to "Bloom Brothers".
"The Brothers Bloom" is a 2008 caper comedy film about some con men.
Therefore the video is attempt to con us.
 
It's people like the OP who take all the magic out of the world. Next thing we'll be hearing is that professional wrestling is fake, I guess.

Now, this one's definitely real. I know 'cuz I read it on the internet. High Diving Giraffes.

 
Real.

He was shocked by the reach of the man's forearms. He's never stood up to anyone who could strike from that far away. Kangaroos have short forearms, so a Roo striking like that would put it within range of it's rear claws for slicey-dicey. The Roo was confused, and the shot to the nose made it even more so.
 
William Parcher said:
These dogs are trained to hunt hogs. They are not trained to hunt kangaroos or even to interact with them. As far as the dogs are concerned, kangaroos are mute people who hop around. Then their owner comes running and he treats the kangaroo as if it's another person too. They run around not knowing what to do because they are trained to hunt hogs not kangaroos or humans - and they are reacting to the kangaroo as if it's just a bloke.

This also explains why the dog is calm during the time that the kangaroo is embracing him. The dog just thinks that he is being hugged and held by a person who he hasn't met before. Cool, maybe he has a biscuit for me as well. I'm being a good boy and I should get that biscuit. The dog has no clue that the kangaroo person is potentially dangerous. He still didn't learn anything about the threat that kangaroos represent.
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I agree with most of what you say. I'm not picking your comments so much as correcting some of the OP's misconceptions.

If you train pig dogs in Oz, you must train them to ignore marsupials. A dog that chases 'roos is useless. You spend all day chasing your dog, and run the very real risk of a disemboweled or drowned dog. Kangaroos are known to lead a pursuer into water for that purpose.

The dog was aware of the danger. Big male 'roos growl and snort when they're in combat. There was no misinterpreting the 'roo's disembowlling attempts as the guy approached. The dog would also have been aware of the urgency and angst of his owner. What he did was emotionally charged. He was afraid for his dog.

The main reason the dogs circled like that was because they are trained to stay away from kangaroos. Also, the beast was showing aggression to their human. The circling movements are instinctive to dogs working in packs to hunt or defend.

I'm sure the dog in question had forgotten his training momentarily.

Roos fight when they are challenged. They do not hunt dogs. The dog more than likely instigated this.
 
esspee said:
A person in a motion capture suit.
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How on Earth is a person in a motion capture suit going to lean back on his tail and kick both lower legs into the air, while bouncing around like a big red kangaroo?
 

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Matthew Ellard said:
How on Earth is a person in a motion capture suit going to lean back on his tail and kick both lower legs into the air, while bouncing around like a big red kangaroo?
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I'm honestly not sure if you are joking or not with that question.
 
devnull said:
Why do you find the video so hard to believe in the first place esspee?
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The visual storytelling is too perfect.

The camera work is too perfect.

The camera angle is too perfect for the action that unfolds.

The dogs behave as if playing around with a human they know and a familiar situation.

The man behaves as if he is playing around.

The story itself is far too perfect and far too stereotypically 'Australian'.

(zoo keeper wearing checky shirt and cap on a hog hunting trip with mates punches kangaroo to save his pig dog)


- but wait, there;s more, there is also sad story behind it all, then a graffiti artist pays tribute to the event, then a NFL coach uses the video to inspire his players prior to a game...;)
 
Would a roo really eviscerate with the back legs? From what few videos I've seen of roo rumbles, they appear to have duller claws/nails on the rear legs and are using them to give a powerful (and no doubt, internal organ-damaging) kick.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
On the other hand, your attempt to debunk it is far too amateurish and unconvincing. Which leads us to only one logical conclusion - you're in on it!
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I am also thinking along along these lines. The OP is quite possibly part of this entire hoax. It is becoming more obvious with every post he makes.

See - esspee, I can support evidence free Conspiracy Theories as well as you can. And you are yet to explain the purpose of the Kangaroo Punch Video. Is it to start Skippy Takeaway Burger franchises? Or maybe to allow Kangaroos the vote? Or some super sekrit plan to substitute a Kangaroo for Trump so that a Kangaroo can take over the world?

Work with us here. Why was it made? There must be a plan, even if it is only in your head.

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
I am also thinking along along these lines. The OP is quite possibly part of this entire hoax. It is becoming more obvious with every post he makes.

See - esspee, I can support evidence free Conspiracy Theories as well as you can. And you are yet to explain the purpose of the Kangaroo Punch Video. Is it to start Skippy Takeaway Burger franchises? Or maybe to allow Kangaroos the vote? Or some super sekrit plan to substitute a Kangaroo for Trump so that a Kangaroo can take over the world?

Work with us here. Why was it made? There must be a plan, even if it is only in your head.

Norm
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It will have been made to demonstrate the production companies ability to create successful viral campaigns to potential clients.



(also to show their ability at creating convincing images for other potential clients such as film and tv producers looking for effects work to be done on projects)
 
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Roger Ramjets said:
I agree.

On the other hand, your attempt to debunk it is far too amateurish and unconvincing. Which leads us to only one logical conclusion - you're in on it!
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How would you suggest i go about debunking it?

We are talking about me, simply an interested member of public with eyes to see, taking on a top level cgi production team who ARE PROFESSIONALS and you expect me to professionally debunk them.

All i can do is offer my opinion.

This is my opinion :

1.The dogs show no alarm and behave as if interacting with a person.
2.The hero of the story shows no alarm and behaves as if interacting with a person.
3.The camera work looks staged. (please watch again and focus only on the camera work - take note of the near perfect zoom to the ideal frame size and composition, and how instantly steady it is as soon as that frame size is found)
4. The camera angle looks staged ( can you imagine a better camera angle to tell this story or document this event?)


IN summary, this is not a debunk, amateur or otherwise - this is me stating my opinion that to my eyes and mind this is blatantly a very well done fake.

And as usual - i am shocked at the lack of skepticism shown here of all places for what - even if it not clear to you that it IS a fake - you must realize COULD easily be a fake using modern cgi techniques.
 
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I agree the whole thing looks goofy, but that's just a subjective observation on my part.
Another question is why didn't the camera operator help out, and why was he filming? It's sort of like how people film the woods for no reason then stumbled across bigfoot
 
Matthew Ellard said:
How on Earth is a person in a motion capture suit going to lean back on his tail and kick both lower legs into the air, while bouncing around like a big red kangaroo?
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esspee said:
I'm honestly not sure if you are joking or not with that question.
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Motion Capture suits do not additionally offer you a prehensile tail, nor do they change your body weight so you can magically raise both legs in the air simultaneously.

Here is Woody Allen boxing a Kangaroo in the 70's. It is exactly the same set up including the fore-paw headlock.....this time on Woody Allen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP3qZhdmhGQ
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Motion Capture suits do not additionally offer you a prehensile tail, nor do they change your body weight so you can magically raise both legs in the air simultaneously.

Here is Woody Allen boxing a Kangaroo in the 70's. It is exactly the same set up including the fore-paw headlock.....this time on Woody Allen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP3qZhdmhGQ
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Okay - you have to be trolling me here.

And I tip my hat to you for a good effort,

but you're going to have do better that that.

Motion Capture suits do not additionally offer you a prehensile tail, nor do they change your body weight so you can magically raise both legs in the air simultaneously.
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:thumbsup:
lol
 
GT/CS said:
I agree the whole thing looks goofy, but that's just a subjective observation on my part.
Another question is why didn't the camera operator help out, and why was he filming? It's sort of like how people film the woods for no reason then stumbled across bigfoot
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He was filming because they were doing a one last mates trip out pig hunting with a mate who had a terminal disease.

One of the guys, clearly a top level pro cameraman or top level semi pro amateur cameraman went along with his amazing top end pro camera to do a film of it.

Photos of the group used in the press show one of the men holding the top end camcorder.

I suggest this camera in the photo is a planted detail to subtly reinforce the hoax.
 
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GT/CS said:
I agree the whole thing looks goofy, but that's just a subjective observation on my part.
Another question is why didn't the camera operator help out, and why was he filming? It's sort of like how people film the woods for no reason then stumbled across bigfoot
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Just my opinion. They heard the dog make contact, jumped in the truck and headed for the commotion. Camera man hits record expecting to film a pig kill. You hear the exclaims as they spot the roo. They weren't expecting what they found.*

* some guy in a CGI suit, apparently.
 
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