Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conferenc

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Here we go again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.htm

Donald Trump has a “dangerous mental illness” and is not fit to lead the US, a group of psychiatrists has warned during a conference at Yale University.


Mental health experts claimed the President was “paranoid and delusional”, and said it was their “ethical responsibility” to warn the American public about the “dangers” Mr Trump’s psychological state poses to the country.
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The claims made in the conference have drawn criticism from some in the psychiatric establishment, who say they violate the American Psychiatric Association’s “Goldwater rule,” which states psychiatrists are not to give professional opinions on people they have not personally examined.
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Responding to the criticism, Dr Gartner said: “This notion that you need to personally interview someone to form a diagnosis actually doesn’t make a whole lotta sense. For one thing, research shows that the psychiatric interview is the least statistical reliable way to make a diagnosis.”
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Trump will probably respond to this in a manner that proves him right.

But yeah, Trump at the very least has a severe personality disorder.
 
Tony Stark said:
Trump will probably respond to this in a manner that proves him right.

But yeah, Trump at the very least has a severe personality disorder.
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... and possibly early Alzheimer's:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4

Angela Merkel reportedly had to explain the 'fundamentals' of EU trade to Trump 11 times

President Trump did not understand that the US cannot negotiate a trade deal with Germany alone and must deal with the European Union as a bloc, a senior German official told The Times of London.

"Ten times Trump asked [German chancellor Angela Merkel] if he could negotiate a trade deal with Germany. Every time she replied, 'You can’t do a trade deal with Germany, only the EU,'" the official said.

They continued: "On the eleventh refusal, Trump finally got the message, 'Oh, we’ll do a deal with Europe then.'"

Merkel reportedly told her cabinet members that Trump had "very basic misunderstandings" on the "fundamentals" of the EU and trade.
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WilliamSeger said:
... and possibly early Alzheimer's:
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Before I'll accept hypothesis that Trump's brain is suffering from an illness, physical or mental, I want it established that he ever had a fully functional human brain to begin with. Can anyone provide actual evidence that he's ever had anything other than a pint of bargain-price oatmeal sloshing around in his skull? I'll accept X-rays, CAT scans, affidavits from Quaker Oats researchers, and so forth. The public has a right to know: was it ever cinnamon-apple flavored, or just plain? Regular, or extra-lumpy?
 
Tony Stark said:
Yeah, I saw that. I wonder what Merkel was thinking. Probably cursing America for making her deal with him.
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Meetings like that aren't held between the two principals alone. If anything like that happened, it's astonishing that after the second or third repetition, one of Trump's advisors didn't step up and say "Sir, you'll recall that only the EU can negotiate those deals...". Unless his advisors are equally clueless.
 
Bob001 said:
Meetings like that aren't held between the two principals alone. If anything like that happened, it's astonishing that after the second or third repetition, one of Trump's advisors didn't step up and say "Sir, you'll recall that only the EU can negotiate those deals...". Unless his advisors are equally clueless.
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Advisors? Yes-men. None of them are going to interrupt the Deal Artist when he's negotiating. He doesn't care what the laws or regulations say, he'll just walk away from treaties and trade deals and go his own way. He's Donald J. Trump, Deal Artist. He doesn't like the refugee agreement the country made with Australia? He'll just huff and pout. Nato? Paris Accords? In his crappy little kleptocracy of Trump, Inc. he would be four points up in negotiating and someone could walk in and get him an advantageous agreement. ITRW, our partners just shrug and say "He's obviously a little cray-cray, we'll just wait them out. Someone will fire him or have him committed." And they don't have to wait long. He just sends in a lackie to reverse his position, affording himself plausible deniability with the deplorables.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Before I'll accept hypothesis that Trump's brain is suffering from an illness, physical or mental, I want it established that he ever had a fully functional human brain to begin with. Can anyone provide actual evidence that he's ever had anything other than a pint of bargain-price oatmeal sloshing around in his skull? I'll accept X-rays, CAT scans, affidavits from Quaker Oats researchers, and so forth. The public has a right to know: was it ever cinnamon-apple flavored, or just plain? Regular, or extra-lumpy?
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It was steel-cut oatmeal, the best! The biggest! YUGE oatmeal!
 
Bob001 said:
Meetings like that aren't held between the two principals alone. If anything like that happened, it's astonishing that after the second or third repetition, one of Trump's advisors didn't step up and say "Sir, you'll recall that only the EU can negotiate those deals...". Unless his advisors are equally clueless.
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Tough situation for the staff. If it kept happening as many times as the article describes, I'd assume that he was either incapable of understanding or understood perfectly but didn't care. Either way I'd think most members of any head of state's staff would be reluctant to correct or challenge him in front of a foreign party that he's trying to negotiate with.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Before I'll accept hypothesis that Trump's brain is suffering from an illness, physical or mental, I want it established that he ever had a fully functional human brain to begin with.
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It could be Alzheimer's on top of everything else
 
Dr Gartner said: “This notion that you need to personally interview someone to form a diagnosis actually doesn’t make a whole lotta sense. For one thing, research shows that the psychiatric interview is the least statistical reliable way to make a diagnosis.”
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Is this an accurate statement? What is the most statistically reliable way to make a diagnosis? And if it is not in the method in which Dr Gartner has comes to form an opinion on Trump, should his diagnosis be given much credence?

I have no background on this so hopefully someone here has a better foundation to give a response.
 
rdwight said:
Is this an accurate statement? What is the most statistically reliable way to make a diagnosis? And if it is not in the method in which Dr Gartner has comes to form an opinion on Trump, should his diagnosis be given much credence?

I have no background on this so hopefully someone here has a better foundation to give a response.
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I'm not a shrink or anything but it makes sense to me. Someone might lie, the shrink might not ask the right questions, ect.

While it isn't difficult to looks at what Trump says and does and determine he has an obvious case of narcissistic personality disorder.

The DSM-5 says individuals with NPD have most or all of the following symptoms:

  • Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
  • Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
  • Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
  • Needing constant admiration from others
  • Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
  • Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
  • Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs
  • Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them
  • Pompous and arrogant demeanor
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He may have more than that too. No reason you can't have more than one mental disorder.
 
Tony Stark said:
I'm not a shrink or anything but it makes sense to me. Someone might lie, the shrink might not ask the right questions, ect.

While it isn't difficult to looks at what Trump says and does and determine he has an obvious case of narcissistic personality disorder.

The DSM-5 says individuals with NPD have most or all of the following symptoms:



He may have more than that too. No reason you can't have more than one mental disorder.
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Those are symptoms of a disorder? I would have thought that was just an unpleasant personality type. I've known several folks who answered to that description quite nicely. Thought they were jerks, didn't know they were lunatics.
 
Civet said:
Those are symptoms of a disorder? I would have thought that was just an unpleasant personality type. I've known several folks who answered to that description quite nicely. Thought they were jerks, didn't know they were lunatics.
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Were they also as paranoid and delusional as Trump?
 
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