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Gravy

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Note: there are photos to accompany this account here, but read the story before looking at the photos.

I've taken about 6,000 photos on the streets of New York City in the past year, and I've never had an experience like the one I had on Friday, March 31. I was using my trusty little point-and-shoot digital camera to shoot architecture on Wall Street, where, at any given time during the day, there are about 50 people taking pictures, mostly of the New York Stock Exchange and Federal Hall National Memorial.

I decided to take pictures of a certain skyscraper that is architecturally significant. I won't give the address of that building, but I will say that it's where a Nitzer Ebb music video was shot, and it's main tenant, an international firm with 1.2 trillion dollars in assets, has a name that rhymes with "Beutsche Dank."* While standing on the sidewalk in front of this building, with my camera pointed up to capture its postmodern attitude, I was approached by two building security guards. I didn't know they were approaching, since I was looking straight up.

"Sir!" I still didn't know they were talking to me.

"Sir! Excuse me, sir!"

I pulled the camera down and looked at them, two fit-looking guys dressed in blue paramilitary fatigues: Marine-style caps, loose-fitting, untucked shirt-jackets that could be concealing machine pistols, stun-guns, grenades, Raisinettes, or none of the above, cargo pants with heavy things in the pockets, pant cuffs tucked into black military boots. Okay, the boots weren't jackboots, but I'm the aggrieved party here and I feel entitled to some poetic license. Anyway, on Wall Street they take their security very seriously these days, as well they should.

"Yes?" I said. They were about 5 feet away.

"No photography here," said the taller one while wagging a finger at me.

"What do you mean?"

"There's no photography allowed of this building."

"You should hide it then," I said, jokingly. This disarmed them a bit and the taller one said, "Yeah, we're working on that." (The building is 745 feet tall.)

"But there's no law against taking a picture on a public sidewalk is there?"

"Sir, we have an agreement with the police."

"Well I don't have an agreement with the police, so unless there's a law against it, I'll be right over here taking pictures." I said this nicely but firmly, but I was thinking, "How dare they mistake me for a tourist!"

"Then we WILL call the police," said the shorter one, sternly.

"Go right ahead." Where we were standing, if you wanted to call the police all you'd have to do is yell "Police!" in a westerly direction and they'd walk over.

I stepped back to the curb and decided it would be a good idea to have photos of these guys so they couldn't deny they were there when I spoke to their supervisor, as I planned to do. As I focused the camera on them, the taller one was talking on his radio and the shorter one started circling to my right, about 15 feet away. I turned the camera on him to get a shot, in case he was trying to skedaddle. He saw me do this and headed for me. I had both hands on the camera, my right index finger poised an inch above the shutter release.

"You taking my picture?" he shouted."You taking MY picture? I WILL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE!" It was a scary moment, because he was plenty close to do it and I was defenseless with my hands on the camera.

"If I push this button you're gonna PUNCH ME IN THE FACE?" He was circling around again, and then in he came, shouting.

"That's right, you got NO right to take my picture!" He was almost touching me, sticking his finger in my face.

"So you're gonna PUNCH ME IN THE FACE if I push this BUTTON?" My finger was still poised, trembling from anger, over the shutter release as I tracked him with the camera.

"You got no right! You're gonna be arrested! You better put that camera down! When I tell you not to take my picture, you can't TAKE MY PICTURE! That's MY right! I will SUE you if you take my picture."

"You certainly have the right to ask me not to–"

"That's right! I will SUE you!"

"–and I've got the right to take your picture anyway." Oh, my friends, he didn't like that.

So at this point I'm going to be punched in the face, arrested and sued if I take a photograph on a public sidewalk. And the thing is, I REALLY wanted to push that shutter button, to show him that he's just a jackbooted coward who likes to push tourists around, or to wind up on my back after taking one on the chin in the cause of freedom, and having the satisfaction of him being arrested for assault. But I just couldn't bring myself to push the shutter release.

Because that would have turned the camera off. When they said they would call the police if I kept taking pictures, I set the camera to "video" mode and filmed the entire tirade. With sound.

Well, the nut calmed down a bit, probably because he knew his boss would be there soon. And his boss did arrive as I was trying to get their names, but they wouldn't tell me their names. Before I took the boss aside to show him the video, I said to the thug, "By the way, I WAS taking your picture the whole time. It's video."

D'oh!

I'll spare you the details of what followed. I'm told that changes are being made, and I'll follow up on Monday to make sure that's being done. Now you can see some stills of the video here,with my comments (click on the set of photos that appears on the left of the page). I made humorous comments on the photos, but I don't want to suggest that the event wasn't deeply disturbing on many levels.

* As far as I know the security guards are employed by the building, not by "Beutsche Dank." While the other guard was perfectly professional, I include him as a J.T. because tried to intimidate me from exercising my rights.
 
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Great story; good for you. They look like henchmen from a Bond film. No, wait, they resemble henchmen from a parody of Bond film. Also, NY police officers stand on street corners armed like that?
 
Also, NY police officers stand on street corners armed like that?
Only in key places like the NYSE, major train stations, sometimes airports. Those outfits are brutally hot. If you want to make some money, get into the security business in New York.
 
You tell 'em, Gravy.

I've seen the cops dress like that in a few places in NYC and DC. Kinda reminded me of my time in Belfast.
 
Oh sure, we're laughing now but when the time comes for the Reckoning it will be the funny men who pay first. Then the artists and maybe the atheists if there are any left by then.
Then the non Fox news journalists.
You really said 'you'd better hide it then'? Now that's quick thinking.
Good thing you weren't a Sikh with one of those little daggers and a turban. You'd be able to easily fit one of those batons up most of your body orifices by now.
 
Nicely done, Gravy! I've been wanting an opportunity to stand up to those bullying jerks for years now, but I've never been in a situation where they've been picking on me personally (the down side to being a white male civil libertarian is that you rarely have occasion to actually exercise your civil liberties). After they started doing bag checks on the subway I intentionally carried around a bag with The Rights of Man, 1984, and The Communist Manifesto in it, but no one ever stopped me.

Mind if I ask where in Brooklyn you are? I'm in Cobble Hill.
 
BEFORE even looking at the video I want to say two things:

1. Why do you hate America?

and

2. It was a joke! HA! HA! They weren't serious. Besides, if they let American citizens just run around taking pictures of buildings in American cities . . . the terrorists win!

(edited to add) You know we can confirm this pretty quickly.

MANNY? We need you to take a picture. . . . ;)
 
Either the terrorists or the tourists.

*LOL* Do you think Dubya's mispronuciation and accent had anything to do with it?

I want you to go to New York city and keep an eye peeled fur any turrists!

Tourists, sir?

Yep! Especially if they're a'shooting pitchers of buildings or bridges.

Pitchers, sir?

Yeah, dammit now get the hell outa here, cain't ya see ah'm busy?
 
(edited to add) You know we can confirm this pretty quickly.

MANNY? We need you to take a picture. . . . ;)
Heh. As a certified princess, I'm waiting on taking architectural shots until I can afford a tilt-shift lens. I can, however, confirm the following.

1) The DB security guys are pretty much monkeys (the building is owned by the bank -- security is one and the same). When the company first took over the building, they hired what looked like ex-Green Berets -- impossibly big, shaved heads or flattops, etc. They actually looked good in those para-military uniforms DB issues. They didn't take any crap, but they were pros through and through. Over time, I guess those guys got too expensive so now it seems DB just gets regular security guards with an attitude.

2) There was a time when taking photographs on or around the NYSE was, well, not prohibited exactly, but strongly discouraged. Including by the cops. That was when they were installing a bunch of sooper sekrit security stuff.

3) That time is long gone. I guess I wouldn't recommend taking a picture inside the street construction, but everywhere else is fair game -- as Gravy says, it's tourist and camera central down there. One might as well try to ban armpit hair at a Woodstock reunion as ban cameras on Wall Street.

4) If the DB monkeys really wanted to make themselves useful doing something illegal, they'd roust the homeless guys who have taken over the tables and benches on the west side of the indoor public plaza at that building. The whole stretch smells like urine and the walls are filthy from people sleeping up against it. But I guess those guys have lawyers, whereas yor average camera-toting tourist does not.

Good show, Gravy. Maybe they'll re-upgrade their staff.
 
Heh. As a certified princess, I'm waiting on taking architectural shots until I can afford a tilt-shift lens.

Totally cool lens, btw. I used B&H exclusively for video equipment. Their thick catalogue was always dog-eared within a month. :)

I wonder how the "Security" would feel if you shot photos of the homeless guys - or do they all disappear when the sun comes up?
 
Please note under section 16, para 3 of the Patriot Act all citizens reading this thread must report to their nearest Office of Homeland Security within 24 hours of this notice. Failure to comply will mean .....
 
Please note under section 16, para 3 of the Patriot Act all citizens reading this thread must report to their nearest Office of Homeland Security within 24 hours of this notice. Failure to comply will mean .....
Darat, revealing the contents of certain sections of the PATRIOT ACT (including those which you mentioned) is punishable under certain other sections of said act. Under the reciprocal (ha!) arrangements between the UK and the US, please report to Thames House for "re-education".
 
Oh, and Gravy, keep in mind, in cases like this the best resolution can often be obtained by going, not to the legal system, but to the media. :degrin:
 

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