Loose Change: I'm Sick About This

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And I'm sick of this.

I've been posting some Loose Change forum quotes to the "Conspiracy Theorists Say the Darndest Things" site. There is no shortage of material that's just incredibly stupid, and some of it is very insensitive. But now this.

There is a well-known photo of a woman standing in the gash made by one of the airliners at the WTC. The worst thing in the world has just happened to her. She has no good choices. No one can help her. She is going to die.

Here's what "popul vuh," who is listed as "Global Moderator," has to say about that photo:

BUT LOOK AT HER OUTFIT, 100% ASBESTOS CHINOS WITH A LOVELY MATCHING FLAME RETARDANT CABLE KNIT V NECK SWEATER.

THAT OUTFIT IS HOT, HOT, HOT!
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That cinches it for me. They think they're activists for truth? I'm now an activist who will be spreading the truth about them. They think they're coming to New York to educate the public at Ground Zero? I'll be there with my friends. I hope you wanted Gravy with that, Dylan Avery.
 
If you show up to protest against them, and have a sign, make sure it is on a very long pole. Or else they will attempt to cover it up w/ their own signs.

Wish I could be there...
 
WildCat said:
If you show up to protest against them, and have a sign, make sure it is on a very long pole. Or else they will attempt to cover it up w/ their own signs.

Wish I could be there...
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Good advice. Actually, I am a long pole, and very wide. So to speak. And I'll have literature. And news coverage. And maybe some victims' family members would like to come along to see the kind of "truth" that's spread by Loose Change.

But that's just a small part of what I'll be doing to get the word out.
 
I know the feeling. I'm more and more pissed at reading these incredible comments by these loosers who seem to have no respect for the innocent lives that have been lost that day.

I think it's completly justified to criticise America's response to 9-11, the lack of communications, the complete unpreparedness of the government, the justification for the war in Iraq, etc... And it is being done, inquaries and real investigations (not about conspiracies but about intelligence failures) are going on. But this Loose Change thing is SICK. These sick loosers have no idea how their conspiracy theories fuel the Middle East's anger towards America, how they weaken America's unity and how they undermine the overall security of the World. Sure america has alot to answer for and they are partially to blame for what is happening in the world. But creating uncertainty and suspicion in people's minds is counterproductive. And alot of people are buying into what they are saying. While they are building this house of cards, real and imminent danger is at our door. They are completely throwing off the debate.
 
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Gravy said:
Good advice. Actually, I am a long pole, and very wide. So to speak. And I'll have literature. And news coverage. And maybe some victims' family members would like to come along to see the kind of "truth" that's spread by Loose Change.

But that's just a small part of what I'll be doing to get the word out.
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Lemme know when and where. I may be able to arrange a few bikers so as to give them the full Fred Phelps treatment.
 
Go get 'em, Gravy.

It was similar feelings which led me to create the StopKaz site.

Why people want to make a mockery of all the pain, suffering and death of that day is beyond me. :rm:
 
FFed said:
What a freakin A hole.

I wish I could join you, but distance and my short temper prevent me.
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Ditto. I'd be too tempted to bring my Jesus Stick™ with me. My temper's barely long enough to read their posts, much less respond to them. Go get 'em, Gravy.
 
manny said:
Lemme know when and where. I may be able to arrange a few bikers so as to give them the full Fred Phelps treatment.
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Ha! Will do. They're not talking about doing their thing until 9/11, but I'll keep an eye out for other appearances of Dylan & co.
 
RSLancastr said:
Go get 'em, Gravy.

It was similar feelings which led me to create the StopKaz site.

Why people want to make a mockery of all the pain, suffering and death of that day is beyond me. :rm:
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Oh, and did I come across a lot more tonight: amazing comments and jokes about the whereabouts of the "missing" passengers, unbelievably disparaging remarks about families of flight 93 victims who screened a movie about the event, and more. I'm ripping mad.

Now seeing the news come on about nearly 300 human remains atop the Deutsche Bank bldg at the WTC. Those poor families, having to go through that again.

Seriously, I can't wait to see what the Loosers make of this.No doubt they'll accuse the gov't of placing the remains there.

By the way, great job with StopKaz. I've been rooting for you for a long time.
 
Very few things make me cry. Seeing that post on Loose Change did.

I couldn't help it. OMG, I'm crying now. To think about that woman, whoever she was, and where she stood, and the choices in front of her. And to think about these callous and indifferent idiots....

At the same time, I want to thank everyone on this forum.

Today, as it happens, as we finished up at work, it was just me and one other coworker left on our floor. We got to talking about this and that. She mentioned the generals calling for Rumsfeld's resignation, and made some comments about how she felt the administration can't be trusted.

Then, knowing that I'm one to look into things, she said she'd heard some of these conspiracy theories about 9/11, how Bush might have been involved. She asked if I'd heard about that. I said I had. She asked if I thought there was anything to it.

Because some good people on this forum engaged the conspiracy theorists, because you brought them onto this board and exposed their arguments, because you linked to their sites where I could read what they had to say, because you followed up on their claims and exposed their sources, I was able to do more than say "They're crazy." I was able to tell her what they're saying, and what their evidence is, and why it's bogus.

She said, "I'm glad you've looked into it, because I wanted to know."

You all have done a good thing. Your work reaches beyond this forum, even if you don't always hear about it. I'm proud to be here.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to try to stop crying.
 
It's heartbreaking to think what might have been going through her head. Maybe thinking about what her options were. Can she get by the debris to an exit? Can she stand the smoke long enough to make it to an exit? Should she wait to be rescued? Should she jump?

What I guarantee she was not thinking about, will some smarmy a--hole make fun of me in the moments before I make that decision?

I hope there is a hell, and I get to see that j---off there.
 
If this person has a conscience, he (or she, or very likely it) will use its moderator powers to delete that thread, after the briefest bit of reflection on it.

I don't know which is worse, that this waste of carbon wrote that post, or that it thinks its friends will appreciate it. Or worse, that they actually do.

Saddening and sickening. Thanks for the eye-opener, Gravy. I wish you had had no need to.
 
Funny how Roxdog as trying to lecture us about mass murder on the Death Star thread.

Irony should hurt, hurt like big jagged rocks on ones skull
 
Piggy said:
Very few things make me cry. Seeing that post on Loose Change did.

I couldn't help it. OMG, I'm crying now. To think about that woman, whoever she was, and where she stood, and the choices in front of her. And to think about these callous and indifferent idiots....

At the same time, I want to thank everyone on this forum.

Today, as it happens, as we finished up at work, it was just me and one other coworker left on our floor. We got to talking about this and that. She mentioned the generals calling for Rumsfeld's resignation, and made some comments about how she felt the administration can't be trusted.

Then, knowing that I'm one to look into things, she said she'd heard some of these conspiracy theories about 9/11, how Bush might have been involved. She asked if I'd heard about that. I said I had. She asked if I thought there was anything to it.

Because some good people on this forum engaged the conspiracy theorists, because you brought them onto this board and exposed their arguments, because you linked to their sites where I could read what they had to say, because you followed up on their claims and exposed their sources, I was able to do more than say "They're crazy." I was able to tell her what they're saying, and what their evidence is, and why it's bogus.

She said, "I'm glad you've looked into it, because I wanted to know."

You all have done a good thing. Your work reaches beyond this forum, even if you don't always hear about it. I'm proud to be here.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to try to stop crying.
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I wish I could find more than a smiley to express what I feel. Thankyou very much for your post, Piggy.
 
That is pretty sick. You could tell this guy doesn't care about the victims of 9/11 but just his own personal agenda. Little off topic but I've recently listened to some of the recordings of people calling 911 who were in the south tower of the world trade center and it really puts things in perspective.
 
Gravy said:
And I'm sick of this.

I've been posting some Loose Change forum quotes to the "Conspiracy Theorists Say the Darndest Things" site. There is no shortage of material that's just incredibly stupid, and some of it is very insensitive. But now this.

There is a well-known photo of a woman standing in the gash made by one of the airliners at the WTC. The worst thing in the world has just happened to her. She has no good choices. No one can help her. She is going to die.

Here's what "popul vuh," who is listed as "Global Moderator," has to say about that photo:
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:mad: I dealt with popul vuh. Ignoramus.
 
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