Loose Change - Part III

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No one is calling Islam a 'death cult'.

We are calling Islamic EXTREMINISTS a 'death cult'


Do you have much research regarding the supposed Muslim Brotherhood document "The Project"?

It's very much in the vein of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, so there's every chance of it being a fake, but interested in looking into it a bit more. A few things about its alleged discovery suggest it is more authentic than the Protocols.

The site I have linked actually has a translation of the entire alleged document which should be an interesting read.

-Andrew
 
As someone who is a citizen of the USA and a serial voter to boot, the idea that JDX votes scares the bejabbers out of me.
Not to worry. He either doesn't vote, or he votes for hopeless candidates. Not a threat at all.

The thought that someone who has so little grasp of reasoning based on evidence and such a tendency to cling to a conclusion irrespective of evidence could wind up serving on a jury is also rather unsettling.
:eek: Now this, on the other hand, is a terrifying thought. But this is exactly the reason we have voir dire.
 
Okay, making my final draft of my video.

Anyone who wants to give feedback Private Message me. It's around 50 minutes.
 
Mark Roberts looks like Robert DeNiro. and he often travels with a fat guy in a business suit, who just stands and talks on his cell phone.

How many times has he met you?

The internet is amazing, bs travels so fast. Wonder where he got this info.

I can understand, though. Here is a picture I took at GZ when Gravy showed truthers some pamphlets and a towel that had caught on fire

GodfatherVitoJong_sm.jpg
 
How many times has he met you?

The internet is amazing, bs travels so fast. Wonder where he got this info.

I can understand, though. Here is a picture I took at GZ when Gravy showed truthers some pamphlets and a towel that had caught on fire

[qimg]http://www.gonemovies.com/www/TopFilms/Godfather/GodfatherVitoJong_sm.jpg[/qimg]
Is that a still from your upcoming documentary? :cool:
 
No "Do Overs for Dylan and Company

Why does the LC cult get to make the rules?

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/2006/07/bombs-in-building-no-never.html

Something dawned on me when I read that.

Why let Dylan Avery & Co. make the rules?

Time after time, up to and including the above link from just a few days ago, we've watched Loose Change latch on to a preliminary report, and take this as the final and absolute word, as definitive “evidence”. Nothing can be updated - even if the 'still alive' hijackers are really really dead.

Five years after the atrocity, many of his disciples, many of whom were in HIGH SCHOOL or YOUNGER have no clue that this was at best a very confusing day, to those of us who covered this. The 'adults' there have no clue as to the scale of the site.

Dylan gets to revise, and tweak his conspiracy, each time. He is making the rules. He can believe in the “Pods” and then dump it. He can believe the Queens gas tanks as a rehearsal demolition then dump it. Likewise the trucks full of gold and the “explosions.” (Hey Dylan, what did that gold weigh?)

If he can present statements from reporters who had limited knowledge, from a small vantage point, with compromised communication (lots of cell phones were out - WTC had many cells - and the jam of calls made for busy signals or no signal at all that day ) but conveyed what they thought or heard, as the proof of conspiracy, then Dylan and the Loose Change mob have to live with his first presentation, not his third time at bat.


From the blabbering over there, it sounds like LC-Final Cut, or Louder than Words, or what ever he changes it to, will include many more original interviews, (you don't get sued if it's your footage!) With the likes of Willy Rodriguez, who will describe “explosions” without having seen explosions - a little reminder here - the Firemen described the sound of bodies of those who jumped, hitting the ground as <I> “sounding like explosions” </I> You just don't hear “it sounded like a floor collapsing in a skyscraper to me!”

No “Do overs for Dylan and Co.” He can't make the rules. He can't be allowed to revise, and discard, and refuse to see that the19 hijackers are dead, and died on a suicide mission.

Loose Change “final” cut will be Dylan's Caper movie, a music video of an atrocity. He has to be judged by his first cartoon, not burst on the scene with the latest and greatest without background.
 
Is that a still from your upcoming documentary?

I tell you, after dealing with this editing business, I applaud MarkyX to no end.

I'm only trying to put together a funny 10 min and have to wade through mounds of no-planer crap and my camerman's affinity for shooting women's rears when he gets bored.
 
I tell you, after dealing with this editing business, I applaud MarkyX to no end.

I'm only trying to put together a funny 10 min and have to wade through mounds of no-planer crap and my camerman's affinity for shooting women's rears when he gets bored.
C'mon now! The no-planer crap's gotta have some good stuff. And while the good-natured human in me would rather not see you exploit the footage of the guy with his shirt on inside out, the a**hole in me wants to see it turned into a feature length film.
 
That's absurd.

Conspiracist bilge regarding 9-11 can no more aid us in understanding and dealing with extremist islam than holocaust denial can help us understand anti-semitism.
Well ok then. No conspiracist bilge by itself, either of the official or alternative brand, will aid us in understanding islamist extremism. However what you call CT b*** is useful in suggesting a different story and thereby relativize the islam enemy picture that is painted with broad brushstrokes in the government version. What I wanted to say is that such relativization is more likely than not helpful in critical examination of islamist extremism.
 
Why does the LC cult get to make the rules?

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/2006/07/bombs-in-building-no-never.html

Something dawned on me when I read that.

Why let Dylan Avery & Co. make the rules?

Time after time, up to and including the above link from just a few days ago, we've watched Loose Change latch on to a preliminary report, and take this as the final and absolute word, as definitive “evidence”. Nothing can be updated - even if the 'still alive' hijackers are really really dead.

Five years after the atrocity, many of his disciples, many of whom were in HIGH SCHOOL or YOUNGER have no clue that this was at best a very confusing day, to those of us who covered this. The 'adults' there have no clue as to the scale of the site.

Dylan gets to revise, and tweak his conspiracy, each time. He is making the rules. He can believe in the “Pods” and then dump it. He can believe the Queens gas tanks as a rehearsal demolition then dump it. Likewise the trucks full of gold and the “explosions.” (Hey Dylan, what did that gold weigh?)

If he can present statements from reporters who had limited knowledge, from a small vantage point, with compromised communication (lots of cell phones were out - WTC had many cells - and the jam of calls made for busy signals or no signal at all that day ) but conveyed what they thought or heard, as the proof of conspiracy, then Dylan and the Loose Change mob have to live with his first presentation, not his third time at bat.


From the blabbering over there, it sounds like LC-Final Cut, or Louder than Words, or what ever he changes it to, will include many more original interviews, (you don't get sued if it's your footage!) With the likes of Willy Rodriguez, who will describe “explosions” without having seen explosions - a little reminder here - the Firemen described the sound of bodies of those who jumped, hitting the ground as <I> “sounding like explosions” </I> You just don't hear “it sounded like a floor collapsing in a skyscraper to me!”

No “Do overs for Dylan and Co.” He can't make the rules. He can't be allowed to revise, and discard, and refuse to see that the19 hijackers are dead, and died on a suicide mission.

Loose Change “final” cut will be Dylan's Caper movie, a music video of an atrocity. He has to be judged by his first cartoon, not burst on the scene with the latest and greatest without background.

Good points all around. It seems to me that the record of his meandering path to the trooth lives in the early versions of Loose Change.

Archive them and keep them handy.
 
They want this to be true, its a belief system and wont be swayed no matter what. They believe it to be true, thus it is. They believe any small notion, incorrect and distorted, and believe it fundamentally.

It actually saddens me to see people believe in TV and movies that much. Its so far removed from reality.

They practice all that they preach, the whole NWO thing, by changing posts and banning opposing facts and opinions. They live in the same distorted reality they proclaim to be trying to save us from.

Its easy to show how ridiculous there 'evidence' is yet they wont listen. Most of of it can be just swayed by common sense - and thats what scares me. They lack even simple basic reality based common sense. Simple things like gravity, inertia, damn primary school science! They live in an era of science and still resort to mob rule. Are they that secluded? Have they spent so long locked in the same routine that the world outside only exists through TV and the net??? I swear a lot of the reason behind their beliefs is not just idiocy, but some weird attention they thrive on knowing this 'secret' knowledge that is all just completely wrong. The fact that people like dylan avery are still alive is immediate proof its all just fringe lunacy. Glory hounds. All looking for their 15 minutes of fame. The rebel leaders! Anarchy!

Even if something unfortunate happened like a car accident or something to him or alex jones, it would take all of 2 minutes for the government to get blamed since "Avery and co are close to the truth!"

Dealing with them is a lesson in patience and anger management.

Basically, for a CT'er the world is a binary proposition. If you agree with them, no evidence is necessary. If you disagree, no evidence is enough.
 
Well ok then. No conspiracist bilge by itself, either of the official or alternative brand, will aid us in understanding islamist extremism. However what you call CT b*** is useful in suggesting a different story and thereby relativize the islam enemy picture that is painted with broad brushstrokes in the government version. What I wanted to say is that such relativization is more likely than not helpful in critical examination of islamist extremism.

I would argue quite the reverse. The time that political scientists and historians have to waste dispelling the notions raised by the 9/11 CTs takes away from the time that could be spent on direct critique of the Bush administration's actions. There has been quite a bit of critical examination on Middle Eastern history, just don't expect the general public to read it. It won't be found on a blog or American Idol.

Ok, turning cynic switch off and going back to happyland.
 
...However what you call CT b*** is useful in suggesting a different story and thereby relativize the islam enemy picture that is painted with broad brushstrokes in the government version...

That's total nonsense. Inventing lies is not useful for anything. And the "official" version of 9/11 does not demonize Islam; it simply correctly points out that 9/11 was carried out by a group of individuals who described themselves as defenders of Islam, and thus could be referred to as Islamic extremists.
 
Thanks Shrinker, I filled out the report form. Maybe others should do that as well, in case invision doesnt act until multiple reports are filed.

(BTW - cute avatar :) )

Did Dylan actually post any of those? I thought he just mentioned the city the guy was from. Not that that wasn't incredibly weasly of him, but it may not have been against the rules.
 
Did Dylan actually post any of those? I thought he just mentioned the city the guy was from. Not that that wasn't incredibly weasly of him, but it may not have been against the rules.
Yep, dylan posted the IP as well as Supermod chicksheen..
 
Did Dylan actually post any of those? I thought he just mentioned the city the guy was from. Not that that wasn't incredibly weasly of him, but it may not have been against the rules.

Idiotboy Avery posted the IP, chucksheen posted the traceroute. Silly little kids. This has happened before I think but I can't find it now.
 
Idiotboy Avery posted the IP, chucksheen posted the traceroute. Silly little kids. This has happened before I think but I can't find it now.

I reported them to Invision as a violation of the ToS (under the IP) clause.

ETA: Roxdog's retort to my posting of the screenshot of the report page: "Lame ass snitch."

ETA: Well, that was roughly equivalent to taking a weedwacker to a hornet's nest. I'm expecting my time there to be short.
 
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I wonder, is johndoex naturally an ass, or does he stay up late at night practicing?

When he brought up the beard thing, it became very clear that he's not anythng close to being a pilot, or even part of the airline industry. I almost fell out of my chair laughing.
 
Idiotboy Avery posted the IP, chucksheen posted the traceroute. Silly little kids. This has happened before I think but I can't find it now.
It definitely has. I remember one of the mods posted the IP info of someone posting from a business in DC, drawing the inference that he worked for the gov't.
 
The pictures have been removed.
I love the follow up replies to yours. "But, but...the pictures were already on the internet. Its okay to post them without permission..." :rolleyes:
I hope they have a better explanation for posting IPs
 
LondonEye wants you to report it to 'them' first, when:

1) The Admins, the highest ranking members of the forum, were the offenders. Including the leader of your cult.
2) They've shown such a tendency to be even handed in the past (heavy sarcasm OFF)
3) Their first reaction of the rankers to the report is that the ones who made the complaint are 'snitches'.

Gee, LondonEye, I can't possibly imagine why anyone would want to go above your head.
 
However what you call CT b*** is useful in suggesting a different story and thereby relativize the islam enemy picture that is painted with broad brushstrokes in the government version.

I'm with Stellafane in wanting to know your reasoning behind this statement. I realize I haven't gone through the NIST report word for word, but in skimming through it I don't find anything that would, even "with broad brushstrokes", say that the government believes Islam is the enemy. Extremists, yes, but you don't see extremists of any stripe saying "Let's sit down and work this thing out." Extremists do things like...well, what they did.

Also, by "with broad brushtrokes" do you mean "in so many words"? In other words, are you saying that the reports don't say Islam is the enemy explicitly, but rather implies it? If so, you'd really have to come up with a lot of verbiage to justify the implication...
 
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