Could somebody give me evidence that friction causes molten metal?

not a single desk was found
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I guess while they were planting explosives, they had Office Movers come in and remove all the desks in the building.
 
The_Fire said:
And this proves...what again?
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People! This is it! Don't you understand? We finally are at the very core of the Globalist agenda! The cubicle desks at WTC were nicer than the ones at the Pentagon. The hole in the side of the Pentagon was the access route to get all the desks in there (and get rid of all the old desks, of course.)

Then they knocked down the WTC to destroy the evidence.
 
pdoherty76 said:
not a single desk was found
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Okay so we have some possibilities:

All desks were rigged with explosives
9/11 was a cover for the theft of 10,000 desks
Desks tend not to survive 110 storey building collapses and subsequent underground fires.
Nobody was logging the number of desks rescued

If a surviving desk is found somewhere, there'll be a conspiracy theorist attached to it, asking 'how did this desk survive the so-called collapse and so-called fires HMMMM.....??'
 
pdoherty76 said:
no but i would have expected some large debris. have u seen the videos of the ironworkers at GZ? they keep saying how odd it is that they found nothing but tiny particles of things
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How large of pieces would you expect to find from a desk falling from over 100m?

And/or how many large pieces would you expect to find from a desk that had a building collapse on top of it?
 
they keep saying how odd it is that they found nothing but tiny particles of things
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Not tiny particles, I believe the quote was "nothing larger than a keyboard" or something to that effect.
 
doherty, even if molten metal was found at the scene (and all the evidence i've seen suggests HOT metal, not MOLTEN metal) it was almost CERTAINLY not STEEL because if an excavator ran into molten steel the heat would immediately render the machine unusable.

do you have any evidence that is was steel they found in the debris pile?

if fire could not survive after the building collapsed, then how were surrounding buildings caught on fire? The Men In Black? Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones?
 
Skibum said:
Not tiny particles, I believe the quote was "nothing larger than a keyboard" or something to that effect.
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I believe there's a quote in the Naudet documentary saying that the largest piece of a telefon the fireman found was half a keypad (he showed something in the area of 5-7 centimetres with his fingers, not sure of the inches).
 
Anti-sophist said:
Wrong. And where did the kinetic energy go when the debris stopped falling? Hint: friction. _ALL_ of the energy that was used to accelerate things downward was "released" when it was decellerated to rest, at the ground.
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The (Gravitational) Potential Energy does work on the mass making it fall. The energy conversion is PE to KE and if there are no losses then at all times during the fall KEt = PEo - PEt. The object gains KE by losing its PE.

As the object hits the ground KEt = PEo, KEt does work on the Earth and because it is such a massive object the Earth acts as a Kinetic Energy sink. Literally the earth moves!

Note that PEo is a potential difference in energy level from a reference and gravitational forces act between the centres of objects.

In the case of the collapse...

KEt = PEo - PEt - Collapse Losses

The Collapse Losses would be work done through mechanical deformation of the structure during collapse.
 
pdoherty76 said:
no but i would have expected some large debris. have u seen the videos of the ironworkers at GZ? they keep saying how odd it is that they found nothing but tiny particles of things
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so how long did those fires burn under the rubble?

and many 110-story skyscraper collapses do we have to comapre this to? the lack of large debris cant see "odd" unless you have a frame of reference
 
My new theory,

All of the office furniture was actually constructed of explosives.
This would explain the lack of office furniture found at the scene and would allow a means of getting the explosive into the building. After years of posing as an office furniture shop and selling/leasing furniture to the tenants of the WTC, the Gov decided on 9/11 that there was enough explosives in the building to do the job. They then proceeded with Operation BlowTheDesksUp.
 
Popeholden said:
doherty, even if molten metal was found at the scene (and all the evidence i've seen suggests HOT metal, not MOLTEN metal) it was almost CERTAINLY not STEEL because if an excavator ran into molten steel the heat would immediately render the machine unusable.

do you have any evidence that is was steel they found in the debris pile?

if fire could not survive after the building collapsed, then how were surrounding buildings caught on fire? The Men In Black? Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones?
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when did i claim an excavator ran into the steel, straw man
 
The_Fire said:
I believe there's a quote in the Naudet documentary saying that the largest piece of a telefon the fireman found was half a keypad (he showed something in the area of 5-7 centimetres with his fingers, not sure of the inches).
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Could have been it, thats still a far cry from nothing but tiny particles.

5-7 cm would be 2-3 inches.
 
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