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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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I like how Luminous just slickly inserted things into posts as if they were true. That was pretty slick at times. You're pretty good at pretending to be a footer, Luminous.

But you still need practice.

Like the idea that BH couldn't have traversed the area, but Patty could. Slick, but there's a glaring flaw. Hoaxers would not have tripped over debris at all, Luminous. They would have been working in a prepared area off of a script. The route would have been planned and cleared for the actor to get through without tripping.

I loved how you put in the idea that Patty was drinking from the stream, too. Nicely done!

Try to work in fishing next time you play this role. Patty was fishing.
 
I like how Luminous just slickly inserted things into posts as if they were true. That was pretty slick at times. You're pretty good at pretending to be a footer, Luminous.

But you still need practice.

Like the idea that BH couldn't have traversed the area, but Patty could. Slick, but there's a glaring flaw. Hoaxers would not have tripped over debris at all, Luminous. They would have been working in a prepared area off of a script. The route would have been planned and cleared for the actor to get through without tripping.

I loved how you put in the idea that Patty was drinking from the stream, too. Nicely done!

Try to work in fishing next time you play this role. Patty was fishing.

( O.K., just one more .. )

Don't forget " Playing decoy, to lead the mighty Bigfoot hunters away from Babyfoot .. "
 
What was Patty doing at Bluff Creek in the first place? The debris field that she walks through is the clue:

She was busy clearing away a beaver dam.
One more for the list:

I wanna see bigfoot punt a beaver.

Not a little 'move it, rat' boot to the pants mind you, but a full-on mid-tarsal slammer to the other side of the valley. This would be fantastic but not so much as bigfoot throwing a pig.
 
The idea of Bigfoot as a real animal has long since passed its prime. That can no longer be defended with anything other than bizarre claims, appeals to the validity of anecdotal testimony and outright obstinacy.

This is a fringe belief, and with each passing year it becomes more obvious that it was never anything other than a myth with motivated and promotional followers. On the other hand, as a myth it has real endurance. As the years and decades go by, the strong believers will look and act even more strange than they do now.

Who are the Bigfoot believers? Those who think that a large and fantastic creature exists that does not. How do they argue for it? Mostly by insisting that skeptics are just plain wrong. Sound familiar?
 
Not just a birthday; it's a very big two-year old baby!

Taking account from January 1, it is the most popular thread in this forum by a long shot. Number two is less than half as popular, but guess what it is about...

Thread title and number of views:

The Patterson-Gimlin Film 178,625
Simple challenge for Bigfoot supporters 74,226
Why do people still study traditional martial arts? 68,400

Bigfoot is very very big.
 
Bigfoot threads are also the most popular when it comes to replies.

This thread is tops with 6,605, second is Simple Challenge for Bigfoot Supporters with 5,004, while coming in a distant third is Skepticism and the Normal with 3,096.

Mangler, I was able to download your 5 meg video, but my computer balked at actually playing it.

RayG
 
This is a fringe belief, and with each passing year it becomes more obvious that it was never anything other than a myth with motivated and promotional followers.

Obviously you're not following the This Just In: Breaking News from Pine Ridge thread over on the BFF. Forty-nine pages, 1,213 posts, 56,605 views, about bigfoot (up to 15' tall) that have been scaring people in Pine Ridge for nearly three years now. Once upon a time I was posting to the thread with a countdown of how many months had passed with no progress, but haven't done so in many months.

Lots of anecdotal accounts, boasts, and claims from there but still no actual evidence.

RayG
 
Mangler's video played for me just fine, with no runs, drips, or errors. In fact, I'd say it's one of the best if not THE best versions of the PG film I've ever seen.

Viewing it this time, I'm taken with how inflexible the butt of the film subject is.

Yeah, it's a guy in a suit...

I know that Bigfooters are fond of claiming something to the effect of "In 40 years no one has produced a costume that duplicates what we see in Patty". OK, but by what criteria do you mean "duplicate"? If you mean "good enough to be accepted as a real Sasquatch by core Bigfoot "experts", then the answer is YES, we have already seen this.

In the more undignified case, we have the BFRO claiming the "Sonoma" video of Penn and Teller was the real deal. Even Rick Noll initially expressed an opinion that there was nothing that ruled out a real Sasquatch.

In the case that the Bigfooters wish would disappear down the memory hole, we have Jeff Meldrum giving his opinion ON TV that the "Snow Walker" video was the real deal.

What's my point here?

If you want to find out if something is an illusion, as the illusionists themselves, not members of the intended audience.

The people to ask about these things are people like Stan Winston, Chris Walas, Rick Baker, and John Vulich, not the "Bigfoot experts".
 
The people of Pine Ridge have been playing this myth game with each other for a long time. Now they get on the internet and play it with BFF. Bigfootery looks a lot like a role playing game for adults. Pick your role and start to play. You don't need any functional evidence to play.

The BFF has 398,248 postings and still no Bigfoot. It doesn't matter. The Bigfooters come and go and the game just rolls on.

Mangler's video worked fine for me. I focused on the right hand with a fixed gaze. It seems to always be in a semi-cupped position with no visible fingers.
 
RayG,

The small one doesn't like quicktime, something in a codec I used for that one. I did have a small version that worked at one time but I didn't write down the series of codec's I used, sorry. I also prefer quicktime because you can go frame by frame, the clip really isn't that much different than watching the gif in quicktime.

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Not to worry Mangler, I just opened it on another of my systems and it worked fine.

I didn't notice the clear and obvious muscle movement that Luminous is championing, am I looking in the wrong places?

RayG
 
Ray, did you look inside your heart?


I'm not seeing Patty doing any climbing over of anything. She isn't lifting her feet very high at all. Any obstacles encountered must be rather small. That's a completely believable performance for a guy in a suit. Doesn't prove it, but it certainly doesn't rule it out.

Is this the Davis stabilized footage or some other job? It's the first I've seen of it. Thanks for providing this, Mangler!
 
Mangler, thanks for the clip. Worked OK for me.

Now, back to the "Best Evidence" comments...

I feel the quote mining and cherry picking skills of some footers will be used regarding the comments about Patty's walk. The experts interviewed stated it was not moving like a human would, or something like that. This will be enough for them. Expect "Look, even the skpetics concede Patty does not walk like a man!" statements.

Of course that's a half-truth at best, since the actor duplicated Patty's walk. This small detail will be conveniently left behind. When reminded of this, PGF defenders will probably use the "rodeo cowboy" line of reasoning. "How could Patterson (Why its always Patterson? What about Gimlim?) possibly know about compliant gait"?

Well, as I wrote a couple of times before, a possible explanation is the Patterson and Gimlim used the standard popular renderings of apemen and cavemen available back in the 60's. Lets seem some of them.

First, Neanderthals. This is how they were seen untill some time ago.
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The above pic is from the XIX century. Look at the left! Its a female! And the male, to the right, is not unlike an upright gorilla. Nitpick- check the shape of her feet. That's the sort of toes an ape with mid-tarsal breaks should have, a neraly opposing big toe.
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This one, roughly from the same time of the above, with the bent knees, long arms extending below the knees, and chest inclined forwards, seems also like a very good template for Patty's body and walk. Note the position of the head and compare with Mangler's movie frames 329, 347 and 358.
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The painting is from the mid XX century. The male at the left is a classic bigfoot. Check the absense of neck. But focus on the female to the left. OK, her position may be due to the burden she's carrying, but she looks quite like Patty. Notice leg position.
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"A timeless classic".
Check legs and arms position of the first and second fellows from the left and compare with Patty's leg movments; notice also forwards inclined torsos and heads position. Very similar if not identical to Patty's position. Put a bloke in a gorilla bigfoot suit making the same movment and you have the Patty walk.
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Here's a mid XX century rendering of Pitecanthropus erectus AKA java man. Look at the female at the left, on the first plane (MDF anyone:D ?); check also the position of the male at the centre.

Now, the above images are (circunstantial) evidence that:
i. Back in the 60's Patty's walk was a common conception of how "apemen" walked; check old movies with "cavemen" and "apemen" for more examples.
ii. It really does not matter if BH wlaks or not like Patty, all the hoaxers would need is to ask the bloke in the gorilla bigfoot suit to walk like an apemen or cavemen.
iii. There were renderings of apewomen and cavewomen that could easilly have ben a source of inspiration. The "why making a female bigfoot if its a hoax?" and similar reasonings went down the drain.

I think the producers of the show should have shed some more light on this issue.

Anyway, if this line of reasoning ever shows up somewhere else, remember, you saw it first here, at JREF!
 
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There was a Bigfooter on Coast to Coast tonight , I believe it was Tod Standing, who was very proud of his exploits, acording to him Bigfoot is an established scientific fact, of course. He is even claiming that the US Gov is all ready to grant Bigfoot protection under the Endangered Species Act. The kicker is that there one minor detail to take care of, which he will rectify shortly, they want some Bigfoot DNA from hair or scat.

Other claims include proof of Gigantopithicus in China, including bones, which they will share with him, but not with the US Gov, because of vague fears I didn't quite catch.



They are also playing an audio recording which should be posted shortly on the Coast to Coast website.

Now he is claiming a new Bigfoot video from China which he is claiming he will use to get species protection.

http://www.stancourtney.com/sounds/East-CentralOhioChatter4-21-07.mp3
Bigfoot Audio
 
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National Wildlife Magazine April-May 1968 said:
Because of the publicity from Argosy and his national television appearances, Patterson has been able to plan another expedition to Bluff Creek, a year-long project beginning in May of this year. It will be one of the largest and best-run search expeditions to date with every participant carrying a camera, and the capture plan built around a new tranquilizer gun reportedly rifle-accurate to a range of several hundred feet.

Patterson, in organizing and financing his expedition, has formed a non-profit organization called the Northwest Research Association. Interested readers can get the details free by writing Post Office Box 1101, Yakima, Washington 98901. They'll be invited to join the Association, too, which involves a chance to apply to go along on next summer's search. While only the exceptionally well qualified will get to go along, all the members will be kept posted on developments regularly.

:rolleyes:
 
For Kerry, Sweaty, Lyndon, and all the Pattycake lurkers who demand a bigfoot suit comparable to Patty:

Harley Hoffman's bigfoot video.

WOW! Look at those muscles! Check the glossy short black hair! Neck? What neck?

By all means, proceed to move the goal posts by complaining it's not contemporaneous with Patty.
 
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