Originally Posted by
wogoga
Neodarwinism however seems to me a rather absurd creation theory, because it assumes that the universe was hyper-designed and super-created by a big bang in such a complex way that blind downhill processes (increasing entropy) can design and create whole ecosystems.
Originally Posted by
Normal Dude
I suggest you look up the difference between a closed and open system.
Which of the following statements are wrong within the materialist reductionist framework?
- The obvious increase in order resp. complexity (of galaxies, planetary systems, ecosystems, civilizations) is caused by blind downhill processes (transforming less probable states into more probable states).
- All downhill processes increase entropy and decrease order of the interacting systems as a whole.
- The universe is a closed system, i.e. it does not interact with other systems.
- The entropy of the universe is continuously increasing and its order continuously decreasing.
- The order of the universe was highest (and its entropy lowest) just after its creation by a big explosion.
- The increase in order on earth is only possible because it is compensated by a decrease in order on the sun.
Originally Posted by
wogoga
BTW, do you know that from a logical viewpoint reductionism implies, that a just hatched chick is less ordered (complex) than the just fertilized egg, because only processes which increase entropy are possible? (The open/closed-system confusion is pointless in this context.)
We can put the just fertilized egg together with enough atmosphere of the right temperature in a big enough box and consider the whole box as a closed system. The composition of the air in the box will change during the development of the chick, but to consider this change as a decrease in order seems quite absurd to me. Because the box with the just hatched chick is considered a state resulting only from blind downhill processes affecting previous higher-order states, we must conclude:
The box with the just hatched chick is less ordered than the box with the just fertilized egg.
Cheers, Wolfgang
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