Stundie Nominations for February 2008!

Here's RMackey:



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The age of an argument has zero to do with its correctness.

The government hasn't come up with anything new on 9/11 for years. Have they essentially forfeited the contest?

Strange that you should mention this just a couple of days after Ace Baker makes a blog post saying exactly the same thing.

Do you think for yourself at all?

What do you make of Ace's continued and rather sad obsession with this forum and his pathetic attempts to get attention?
 
Wrong, me? When?

That's pretty good all by itself, but we have a two-fer in this post:

Recommended reading is then

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_Inert_Metal_Explosive .

If several DIME 250 kgs bombs were planted in WTC by criminal perpetrators as part of an inside job, you only need one at every 3rd floor i.e. total say 30 or 40 to get the expected result!! Quite a lot 7500-10000 kgs but easy to smuggle in in paper boxes one at a time. Quick installation job, thus.

No further comment necessary.
 
A couple of juicy ones from CB_Brooklyn

Why do I frequently reply in Douglas' posts? Simple: It disgusts me to see someone promoting propaganda. It doesn't matter that it's Bill Douglas. It's the constant promotion of propaganda that bugs me.

If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle a kitchen utensil I don’t know what would be.



As I said, the Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery theories are becoming more and more popular. Now that John Hutchison is with us, the entire "free energy" crowd is as well.

Uh oh, we better watch out, the “free energy” crowd is with them now. What about Tom Bearden? Is he a truther yet? LOL


http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_bill_dou_080215_europe_for_9_2f11_trut.htm
 
Another plagarization from the Scooby Doo script book.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3451745&postcount=538

Interestingly, had WTC7 gone 8 hours instead of 7 (after the collapse of WTC1), nightfall would have revealed a building largely shrouded in encroaching darkness and not the flaming lantern that the Official Conspiracy Theorists wish the world to believe.

The more he posts, the more I believe that he's doing so from a padded cell.
 
From the SLC Myspace, a 'Hobbit' expresses his distate with Bush's ability to appoint every SCOTUS justice:

now obviously you know the supreme court justices are appointed by bush. and the supreme court justice is supposed to judge the outcomes of each case based on the law, but obviously this is not the case.
 
Allen Rowland takes a classic argument and makes it even stupider.

Jet fuel is essentially refined kerosene. It burns without problem in millions of steel stoves, heaters and furnaces around the world every day. Yet on 9/11, in less than an hour, this innocuous substance MELTED all the massive steel beams of three skyscrapers and caused the structures to collapse like pillars of sand in less than 10 seconds.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_allen_l__080219_still_unanswered_9_2f1.htm
 
Yet on 9/11, in less than an hour, this innocuous substance MELTED all the massive steel beams of three skyscrapers and caused the structures to collapse like pillars of sand in less than 10 seconds.

One would think if it were that obvious there'd be no contention as to the WTC collapses being controlled demolition.
 
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As I said, the Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery theories are becoming more and more popular. Now that John Hutchison is with us, the entire "free energy" crowd is as well.

Uh oh, we better watch out, the “free energy” crowd is with them now. What about Tom Bearden? Is he a truther yet? LOL


I might as well start making the plaque now. This is a shoe-in to win the 2008 Stundie of the Year award.

Steve S.
 
Allen Rowland takes a classic argument and makes it even stupider.

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Jet fuel is essentially refined kerosene. It burns without problem in millions of steel stoves, heaters and furnaces around the world every day. Yet on 9/11, in less than an hour, this innocuous substance MELTED all the massive steel beams of three skyscrapers and caused the structures to collapse like pillars of sand in less than 10 seconds.


This is like arguing that no house has ever burned down due to a dropped cigarette.

Steve S.
 
Amanda over at progressiveindependent shows us yet another example of "Truther" physics. Apparently if one object has less mass than another, it cannot penetrate it. This is good news for all those people over in Iraq and Afghanistan who had to worry about being "penetrated" by bullets (which weigh considerably less than their targets).

Amanda said:
This image of flight 175 striking WTC 2 demonstrates how kerosene reacts in a crash. Instead of exploding into a fire ball and tearing the wings off (where the fuel is stored), the kerosene allows the aircraft to enter a steel and concrete building 99 times its own mass totally intact. Pretty cool, huh?
(emphasis mine)

linky


On Edit: I realize she's being sarcastic - my nomination is about her horrible understanding of physics.
 
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2. Yes, I did email a CD company. She said that "Pull it" was not used within the industry to refer to CD by explosives, however, she confirmed that it was used outside the industry as slang for the CD by explosives of a building.

I simply could not believe that Swing was serious about saying this. I still can't really believe it. One person in the CD industry is presumed to be an expert on the use of language by everybody outside the industry. Is this an appeal to absence of authority?

Dave
 
I simply could not believe that Swing was serious about saying this. I still can't really believe it. One person in the CD industry is presumed to be an expert on the use of language by everybody outside the industry. Is this an appeal to absence of authority?

Dave

It is used as slang outside the industry, by members of the truth movement.

Sounds like Swing isn't the first conspiracy nut to contact this gal.
 
This one really amazed me. Ghost in the Machine seems to think that the two cases being discussed - the F-4 concrete test and the WTC tower impacts - obey separate laws of physics.

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Ghost in the Machine@DU said:
Now.. back up your assertion that the same laws of physics apply to both scenarios or be a man and admit that you were wrong and made a mistake..
 
Over on reddit, a couple of days ago, a diligent tr00ther named smatty1 submits an article about a "controversial" new book which details how gubmint black ops seed Main Stream Media Inc. with propaganda. Someone asks how it's controversial given the gubmint's admissions of it, and this is the reply you get.

smatty1 said:
It's controversial because they dont want to have a debate about it. They want the debate to be about weather its true or false, not the substance of it all.

Yeah... wait, what?
 
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Over at DU, MrMickeysMom boils a conspiracy down to its essential elements:

No, you were pushing a conversation with yourself that is the biggest conspiracy theory of all

... the point of view that there was a lone gunmen.

Reminds me of a quote from Mystery Men: "I ride in a wolf pack... of one."
 
sts60 pointed out this gem from Terral.

Originally Posted by Terral
WTC-1 collapsed symmetrically into its own footprint and right on top of WTC-6, but that building did NOT suffer any collapse.

Clearly WTC1 had big feet.

Dave

Jeez. They're still claiming in its own footprint? How many thousands of times do we need to debunk that one? I can see why Gravy got frustrated and left the forum.

Steve S.
 
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Here's an unusual nomination, in that it comes from the Forum Management section:

Hi DGM:




Please forgive me for having to state the obvious: Speaking ‘the’ 911Truth means saying the same things over and over again. Telling 911LIES means saying everything else. When your children are telling you the same story over and over again, that means they are likely telling you ‘the’ truth without reservation.

....

The debunkers with NO CASE for anything yell “SPAM” rather than ‘quoting >>’ me to offer your opposing views from the evidence. Debunkers chant the same “Official Story” mantra day after day, week after week and year after year, but the 911Truth is only allowed to be presented once and represents “SPAM” if ever spoken again anywhere. You guys should be very proud of yourselves . . .

GL,

Terral



So saying the same thing over and over again means you're telling the truth....except when we do it.
 
Jeez. They're still claiming in its own footprint? How many thousands of times do we need to debunk that one?

It's not just that. Terral is claiming, by implication, that WTC6 was within the footprint of WTC1 - in other words, WTC1 was built on top of WTC6. That, I think, is a truly Stundie-worthy piece of self-incomprehension.

Dave
 
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71744&page=109

Cristopher Sarns over in his ego massaging 10 storey hole thread when describing WTC7 fires

C7 said:
This was a normal event with normal size fires in a normal office building.

Good job it was not small fires in a small building caused by other small buildings falling on it due to small planes crashing into them. We'd have nowt to post about.

Just a normal day in truther land
 
I assume you meant "hearsay", but let's be fair: pictures are not PHYSICAL evidence. They are evidence, however.

The items depicted in the photos are physical evidence, and that's what was actually brought up by the other poster. Technically that makes Aldo's statement a strawman, I guess. Obviously we can't present "PHYSICAL" evidence on a message board, which is why they linked to a photo of same.

Damn you, spellcheck, and damn you phone for ringing while I was writing my post :P
 
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Friday is LCF browsing/stundie nomination day :) here's another.

Spreston over at LCF...going for a record of using the highest number of debunked claims in a single post.

Spreston said:
The wishful thinking is on you and your kind trying to con us into believing that this elaborate hoax involving a 757 flying an almost impossible flight path at an almost impossible low altitude speed of 530 mph using an imaginary hijacker who could not pilot taking the aircraft from a hotshot pilot who would never give up the cockpit, is the least bit believeable. Then tack on this elaborate little skit with the planted light pole which was supposed to be through the windshield, and the planted fuselage piece which was never riveted to an aircraft frame which was supposed to be from the starboard side of Flight 77, and the official FDR which is dead wrong, and the two poorly altered security videos. To top it all off, you people cheerlead the confiscating of the 85+ area videos, especially the high quality surveillance camera videos from the Pentagon western wall to protect this charade, and the confiscation of the Arlington County 9-11 call-in tapes and transcripts.
 
The items depicted in the photos are physical evidence, and that's what was actually brought up by the other poster. Technically that makes Aldo's statement a strawman, I guess. Obviously we can't present "PHYSICAL" evidence on a message board, which is why they linked to a photo of same.

Sure, but at least he's technically correct!
 
Kinda like this from the CIT:


"Yet look how perfectly laid out the broken top part with the lamp is as if it all fell in that exact location:"

Looks just like it should is of course clear evidence of conspiracy .

CIT says: "I cannot believe this could have happened, therefore it did not".

If that type of reasoning actually made sense, I would have never gotten a speeding ticket :P
 
Friday is LCF browsing/stundie nomination day :) here's another.

Spreston over at LCF...going for a record of using the highest number of debunked claims in a single post.

William B StoeckerFrom Unsolved Mysteries challenges Spreston!

William B Stoecker said:
The best way to understand a good many things is to look at overall patterns of evidence. Reductionists (like most debunkers, as opposed to truly open minded skeptics) like to ignore those disturbing patterns and focus on a few of the weakest pieces of evidence they can find. There is a pattern of evidence surrounding Dallas, a pattern for Oklahoma City, one for the death of Vince Foster, and so on. So let's summarize some of the best evidence for a 9/11 conspiracy, and look at the pattern.
First of all, before 9/11, no steel framed building had ever completely collapsed due to fire, and only one had partly collapsed, after many hours. But on 9/11, three of them allegedly collapsed due to a rather smoky fire. Video taken by the news media, not by conspiracy buffs, slowed down, clearly shows a large tank protruding below the belly of one of the "airliners," showing that, in fact, it was not an airliner. The towers and Building Seven all collapsed straight down, a feat virtually impossible to achieve without the use of carefully pre-planned controlled demolitions. Videos clearly show that the buildings collapsed at free fall speed, which is not possible if floors pancaked one on the next, as there would be a slight delay with each impact. News media videotapes show explosions at multiple levels, and firefighters heard multiple explosions preceding the collapse. A seismic center of the USGS picked up the shock wave from an explosion in one of the basements.
Building Seven was scarcely damaged at all by fire and never struck by an "airliner," and firefighters insisted that they had its fires under control, when the lease holder ordered them out and announced that they would "pull" the building, which means set off controlled demolition charges.
Two airliners had already struck buildings when the flight that allegedly hit the Pentagon (you know, the invisible plane that cannot be seen in the few videos made public) went off course, ignored ground control, and headed straight for DC, which, even before 9/11, was a max security area protected by fighter planes and missiles. Yet no one intercepted it, or any of the "airliners" that day. This in itself is mind boggling. The hole in the Pentagon was too small for an airliner, and little things like bodies of the passengers, wings, etc., were never found. The tiny bit of wreckage from the plane that allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania is scattered over a large area, explainable only by an explosion at high altitude.
Add to this the fact that FBI field agents and the Pentagon's Able Danger team tried repeatedly to warn their superiors about Arabs with terrorist links seeking flight training. And the fact that the passport of one of the alleged terrorists magically flew out of his pocket, through the wall of the plane, backward as the plane moved forward at several hundred miles per hour, passed through all the fire, landed in the street amid piles of debris and was miraculously found by our intrepid FBI men, who also, in hours, had the names of all the terrorists they had been unable to stop. But the plane' flight recorder, designed to withstand impact, crushing, and fire, was never found.
There's more, but that's why entire books have been written on this subject. William B Stoecker
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=119638
 
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