Thanks for the response.
Originally Posted by wogoga
It is even more difficult to debate people who just use words but don't defend the definition that they use and just assert stuff without evidence.
How are you measuring progress, you just leave that out don't you? Progress towards what?
Um, how do you define the complexity of human communication?
What standard are you using? What can we talk about that has meaning? And human communication skills, regards what, the ability to talk, the ability to play music, the ability to use a cell phone.
Vague assertions are still use vague assertions.
So what area are you talking about.
A lion is very progressed as well, so what standard are you using as a goal of 'progress'?
No, you don't understand my argument at all.
Why not address your false contention that there is only one mechanism by which variation can occur and natural selection can act upon it.
Or do you just attack straw men?
Here I will bold it for you again:
[b] There are multiple ways that there can be variation amongst members of a species, one of which is mutation, but natural selection just needs the variation. The mechanism for variation is not important[b]
Common sense, like the world is flat, that is a great argument!
You still just like to state things you have already stated and then pat yourself on the back.
You don't need mutation to have variation, any mechanism will do.
Fitness is only fitness to reproduce.
I directly gave you a mathematical model for how natural selection through reproduction works.
You ignored it, hmm, maybe because you can't actual argue except by attacking straw men.
And you still have shown anything to demonstrate why a change (mutation in this case) is detrimental. Not even part of the time. You just assert it.
that is just bad logic , I don't even need the Boolean to explain that.
The set of variation that leads to natural selection is larger than the set of mutation that leads to natural selection.
So apparently your grasp of logic is equal to your grasp of evolution.
More straw. i said that variation in traits is enough to produce something for natural selection through reproductive success to act upon.
You do not need information prepackaged.
So to date you get a 'F' for your essays: address the points and stop attacking you own mistaken ideas.
Here I will recap for you.
1. There are multiple mechanism by which variation between individuals may occur in a population, that is all natural selection needs.
2. I showed you a mathematical demonstration , albeit simplified, where it is shown how natural selection might increase a trait in a population.
3. You have not demonstrated in the least why genetic miscopies would always be detrimental.
4, You show mistaken logic by saying that since there are other mechanisms through which variation can occur, mutations can not lead to variation that natural selecti9on can act upon.
So far you can't pass high school rhetoric, you have an 'F+' because you do at least use proper grammar and spelling.