The Revolution will be Televised (None dare call it Plasma)

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There has been a relatively quiet revolution going on, most of which hasn't been revealed yet. Much less appeared on your Telly. This will change soon.

The thread title is a wink and a nod to two old Memes, both of which predate the Internet, but one hopes a few will smile when reading them.

Sometimes new information is slow to percolate, other times a NDA prevents anything from being said, and there is also the matter of wanting credit, where credit is not only due, but some serious money is involved.

But in the end, new data does make it to the masses, and even the most hardened cynic will embrace the paradigm shift. Even if they can't bring themselves to use the word "plasma".

The overwhelming facts have been arriving in such a stream of new knowledge about our wondrous Universe, nobody can really keep up, but the various discoveries and marvels that the Chandra Observatory have revealed are so revolutionary, so unexpected by the mainstream, there is almost a bit of Future Shock going on. Something. The words "baffled," "surprised", "shocked", "confused", "perplexed", even "mystified", have actually showed up in report after report.

Combined with other orbital platforms, and earth based observations and experiments, what we are seeing out there is wilder than even the woo cosmologist predicted. I get a great deal of enjoyment from this.

If it wasn't for the multiple threads and intense fighting over multiple threads and issues, right here in the Science sub forum, I wouldn't have noticed several things about it. Things that seem most odd. Even to me.

The most obvious is how often the word "Plasma" is avoided in mainstream publications, News stories, and even conversations between scientist. I don't know why, but after reading both sides of the furious debate for months now, it is starting to make sense. Somehow "Plasma" is a bad word for mainstream scientist. We can blame Plasma Cosmology for this. Or somebody.

The other far more strange matter, is the avoidance of the word "electric", in regards to all things in outer space. Magnetism is also an orphan child at times.

Even when the evidence is overwhelming, right in front of the collected scientific mind, none dare call it plasma. The number of terms used to replace "plasma" is nothing less than brilliance. Examples abound.

But enough of that, you have suffered enough. The revolution will be televised. In fact, it already has been, if you count video on the Internet.

Right now there are many many people working very hard on real TV shows, these huge HD productions, that are going to rock your world. Some of them may be just itching to tell you about it, but there are these annoying little Non-disclosure agreements, and often the coolest stuff you can imagine, it just can't be discussed in advance.

In a certain irony, some of us will be watching the plasma revolution, on a plasma screen TV. I get a fair bit of humor out of that.

I can tell you this. Almost everything we thought we knew about the Universe is changing. And plasma, as revealed by Chandra and other means, is the driving force, or event, or something. New words may have to be invented to describe some stuff. We definitely need a word to describe the "very hot ionized gas" we are finding all over the place. Maybe an acronym, VHIG, could be used, to save typing that out.

Is it huge? Is it worth a topic? Are the Plasma Universe people going to be doing little happy dances all over the planet?

Probably. But don't get smug you bastards. You don't know the half of it either.

Nobody does. Bottom line, there be plasma, and lots of it. Invisible energies, invisible fourth state matter, invisible before now that is. It is like we have been blind, but the eyes are opening. And what we see, is a revolution. Not the little kind, where you can cobble the new findings onto the old theories, the old views.

No, this one is like when the first man saw the moons of Jupiter, and knew something nobody else in the world did.

Right now, as you are reading this, people are looking at the Universe, and seeing things nobody has ever witnessed before. Things nobody had even imagined. (OK that may not be true, some of the plasma physics experts may have, but they don't count).

A few of the startling revelations.

Huge, and we are talking light years huge, huge currents of extremely energetic plasmas are flowing between stars. Or should that be, huge VHIGs have been found moving between stars?

Much much larger amounts of plasma connects almost every Galaxy we can observe. It's all over the place. And it is very very energetic.

Vast invisible plasmas are moving through what we thought was "empty space". Galaxies of Plasma. (OK, some people thought there was Dark Matter, but it looked empty, so I can call it empty space)

X-ray sources we thought were Black Holes or Quasars, are actually multiple sources, spread out and moving.

Magnetic fields are found that extend millions of light years. Tens of millions of light years.

Electromagnetic fields of almost unmeasurable strength are responsible for much of the visible and invisible light we can see.

Super dense, super hot (2 or 3 Million Kelvin) plasmas are being found. We just couldn't see them before. And they are flowing. Not static. They are like, right there, and nobody could see them. Plasma is all over the place!

And, perhaps the most surprising to me, plasma is capable of doing things nobody ever predicted.

And so much more. So much more.

No, I don't have to provide evidence. That is NASA and all those highly paid scientists job. I'm just enjoying the show.

The Revolution will be Televised!

(None dare call it Plasma)

OK I dared, but I'm not kidding, there really is some sort of Taboo against calling a Plasma a plasma.
 
Don't even think about it. Yes you, you who hits quote, reposts the entire OP, then adds one line of text. Don't do it.

It's annoying.

Now I have to debunk myself. Because that rhetoric may have raised somebodies blood pressure, and because it is fun to be able to take both sides.

(None dare call it plasma)

Bah! That is just not true. Don't be dumb robinson. There is no taboo against the word plasma. And you left out the XMM-Newton observatory in the OP.


One stretch of the nebula, about 10 light-years wide, glows with X-rays. This glow apparently results from super-heated gas — 3 million to 3.8 million degrees Fahrenheit (1.7 million to 2.1 million degree Celsius) hot — that pervades the cloud.

Often such vast expanses of super-heated gas come from exploded stars called supernovas or from large collections of very massive stars. Now an international research team using the XMM-Newton space observatory finds this gas seems to flow from just one bright, young, massive star in the Trapezium.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22028123/

See? They didn't avoid the word "plasma" in that report.

And here:

NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory has discovered two huge intergalactic clouds of diffuse hot gas. These clouds are the best evidence yet that a vast cosmic web of hot gas contains the long-sought missing matter - about half of the atoms and ions in the Universe.
http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/05_releases/press_020205.html

See? They didn't avoid the word plasma. Oh wait, not a good example.

Here:

Images of the Orion Nebula with its hot gas bubble. At left is an x-ray image taken by the XMM-Newton color-coded for photon energies. At right is a composite image taken by the XMM-Newton and a mid-infrared image from the Spitzer Space Telescope ...


On a large scale, the Milky Way is considered to be a vast cold region punctured with isolated hot clouds and star clusters. ...
http://www.physorg.com/news121602545.html

Damn, OK wait. Here we go.

While much of this space is cold and empty, researchers have recently discovered the phenomenon of funneling hot plasma. Flowing plasma may funnel from one region to another through empty space, connecting otherwise isolated clouds and clusters throughout the galaxy.
http://www.physorg.com/news121602545.html

See? They called it PLASMA! So you are wrong. I totally pwned you dude.
 
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Why go reinventing the acronym?

These clouds have defied detection because of their predicted temperature range of a few hundred thousand to a million degrees Celsius, and their extremely low density. Evidence for this warm-hot intergalactic matter (WHIM)


And, you haven't established that this WHIM meets the definition of a plasma yet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)#Definition_of_a_plasma

Have Fun!
 
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Hi robinson.
I would say that plasma is not a word that is avoided from publications in astrophysics. There are 429 astrophysics preprints in arxiv.org for the last year that contain "plasma" (out of about 10 thousand preprints). I would say that it is used when it is needed, i.e. when the authors know that they are only looking at plasmas. The general term that authors for non-solid matter in the universe is gas. This includes plasma (which is ionized gas). For example that nebulae are referred to as gas clouds since they include dust, hydrogen and plasma.

There are some of your startling revelations that I am unaware of. Could you provide some citations?
 
If you follow the links in the second post, you will find the source of several mentions. As to the more astounding developments, we are going to have to wait.

Please note in that same post, the two sources of the same story use different terms for the exact same discovery.

The people who first observed the new discovery:
Researcher Manuel Güdel at the Paul Scherrer Institut in Switzerland and colleagues from Switzerland, France and the US have recently observed the plasma flow phenomenon for the first time in the Orion Nebula. Based on images taken with an x-ray satellite called the XMM-Newton, the researchers observed the existence of a million-degree plasma flowing from the nebula into the adjacent interstellar medium, and then into the neighboring superbubble Eridanus.
http://www.physorg.com/news121602545.html

Now look at the MSNBC report
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22028123/

One stretch of the nebula, about 10 light-years wide, glows with X-rays. This glow apparently results from super-heated gas — 3 million to 3.8 million degrees Fahrenheit (1.7 million to 2.1 million degree Celsius) hot — that pervades the cloud.

Often such vast expanses of super-heated gas come from exploded stars called supernovas or from large collections of very massive stars. Now an international research team using the XMM-Newton space observatory finds this gas seems to flow from just one bright, young, massive star in the Trapezium.

The Orion Nebula is a "stellar nursery," where thousands of new stars are being born. There are many stellar nurseries throughout the Milky Way that, like the Orion Nebula, only host a few very massive stars. The researchers expect these X-ray glows occur in many or even all of these nurseries, meaning they "may be very widespread across the entire galaxy," researcher Manuel Gudel, an astrophysicist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, told Space.com.

Emphasis mine. While Güdel has no qualms about calling a plasma a plasma, the word plasma does not even appear in multiple articles about the discovery.


Writer Charles Q. Choi manages to write an entire article with out using the word plasma. Instead we read;

Huge Stars Seen as Source of Glowing Gas

.. waves of million-degree gas

... One stretch of the nebula, about 10 light-years wide, glows with x-rays. This glow apparently results from super-heated gas—some 1.7 million to 2.1 million degree Celsius hot—that pervades the cloud.

... vast expanses of super-heated gas ... this gas ..
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/071129-growing-nebula.html

Is it that he thinks readers won't understand the word plasma? What is up with this seeming avoidance of the word plasma?

Obviously real scientist, like Güdel use the correct term. Is there really some reason the term is not used? Is it because of the association with plasma Cosmology/Plasma Universe proponents? Or something simpler, that writers think we won't know what they are talking about?

I've got plenty of other examples, especially from the NASA sites.

It is an interesting oddity.

For those slavering for sources, cites and papers on the new plasma stuff, you are going to have to wait. Unless you know somebody. But, you will get to watch really really cool TV shows about all of this.

There is also some Video already on the Net. Check out this teaser:
http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=b000612_sp_chandra

Gives you a hint of what is to come.
 
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It isn't an oddity, it is something that is generally called "dumbing down" or "helping explain a complex scientific term".
 
Million-Degree Plasma May Flow throughout the Galaxy

On a large scale, the Milky Way is considered to be a vast cold region punctured with isolated hot clouds and star clusters. While much of this space is cold and empty, researchers have recently discovered the phenomenon of funneling hot plasma. Flowing plasma may funnel from one region to another through empty space, connecting otherwise isolated clouds and clusters throughout the galaxy.
http://www.physorg.com/news121602545.html

It might be writers being dumb, but when technical reports from NASA make the error, it is another story.
 
It isn't an oddity, it is something that is generally called "dumbing down" or "helping explain a complex scientific term".

Exactly - the reason the word "plasma" isn't used very often in public press releases is that most people don't know what it means. It's incredible that anyone could find anything significant in that.

This thread should be moved to the CT forum.
 
http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/05_releases/press_072705.html

As hard as it may be to fathom, the word plasma does not appear in that web page.

It isn't hard to start off a press release, or technical paper, with a simple phrase to educate people.

Avoiding using the correct term for something isn't "dumbing down", it IS dumb, and it keeps people dumb.
The rate of this energy flow determines the location and size of a crucial stellar region called the convection zone. The zone extends from near the sun's surface inward approximately 125,000 miles. The zone is where the gas undergoes a rolling, convective motion much like the unstable air in a thunderstorm.

"This turbulent gas has an extremely important job, because nearly all of the energy emitted at the surface of the sun is transported there by convection," Drake said.

Reading that is painful. It is just bad science man. It would take 30 seconds to both correct, and educate people about reality.

The rate of this energy flow determines the location and size of a crucial stellar region called the convection zone. The zone extends from near the sun's surface inward approximately 125,000 miles. The zone is where the sun's plasma undergoes a rolling, convective motion. (Superheated, ionized gas is called plasma)

"This turbulent plasma has an extremely important job, because nearly all of the energy emitted at the surface of the sun is transported there by convection," Drake said.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble robinson, but the reality is rather boring ... (and RC has, as usual, beat me to the punch).

The study of the history of the usage of words is part of linguistics, I think. If you're interested to look at how the word 'plasma' is used in astronomy, astrophysics, and cosmology papers published in the relevant peer-reviewed literature, and how that usage has changed in the last 8 decades or so, go for it ... it might be an interesting project.

Ditto with respect to its usage in popsci material.

However, if you would like to know the extent to which any changes in usage relate to changes in scientific paradigms, you need different sets of tools, those from the history and philosophy of science (Kuhn, Popper, Lakatos, etc).

I suspect if you did such a study, you'd be bored silly ... the underlying physics hasn't changed much in over a half century, but the windows on the universe and the observational techniques and capabilities have, enormously.

Astrophysicists are, generally, both very conservative and selfish ... in the sense that they focus on specific questions/puzzles/challenges serially, and strongly resist introducing 'new physics' and ad hoc concepts without very good (scientific) reasons for doing so. Despite the impression you might get from reading only popsci material, speculation beyond any reasonable possibility of testing is frowned upon (I'm talking about astrophysics).

The 'hot gas' vs 'plasma' dichotomy is almost entirely apparent ... if you read the actual papers, the relevant behaviour and phenomenology is almost never uncertain - if all you need is the physics of 'hot gas' (which includes fully ionised plasmas), then invoking 'plasmas' could be misleading; if you need the physics of 'plasmas' (which includes only very weakly ionised gases), then invoking 'cold, dusty gas' could be misleading.

Perhaps an analogy might help.

You've no doubt read about 'cold dark matter', 'hot dark matter', the 'warm-hot intergalactic medium', and 'hot gas' filling the space between galaxies in rich clusters.

Naively, you'd expect 'hot' to have the same, or similar, meaning ... and you'd be completely wrong!

'hot' as in 'hot dark matter' means the constituent particles move at relativistic speeds (very close to c, say 99.9%).

'hot' as in 'hot cluster gas' means something like fully ionised and with a temperature of ~a million degrees.

The latter applied to the former regime would be barely 'warm' (! :eye-poppi).

When you read the papers, you should never get confused, because the authors will spell out, in quantitative terms, what they mean, and they will include a nice long list of references for you to read up on the history of the concepts (including the terms).

Which brings us back to linguistics.

The language astrophysicists use is fully capable of expressing the meanings they wish to convey ... to their colleagues.

If you are not a member of that 'speech community' (I think that's what linguists call them), you might be easily confused ... because you do not understand how certain words are used differently than in your speech community.

And so it is with 'plasma cosmology' and 'plasma universe' ... within the speech community of proponents of these fringe science ideas, 'plasma' has a special meaning. Given their explicit mission - to convert the world to their new scientific paradigm - it is inevitable that much mischief is made by deliberately exploiting the many different meanings and associations of 'plasma'.
 
The most obvious is how often the word "Plasma" is avoided in mainstream publications, News stories, and even conversations between scientist. I don't know why, but after reading both sides of the furious debate for months now, it is starting to make sense. Somehow "Plasma" is a bad word for mainstream scientist. We can blame Plasma Cosmology for this. Or somebody.

The other far more strange matter, is the avoidance of the word "electric", in regards to all things in outer space. Magnetism is also an orphan child at times.

Even when the evidence is overwhelming, right in front of the collected scientific mind, none dare call it plasma. The number of terms used to replace "plasma" is nothing less than brilliance. Examples abound.

Where I now sit at an Unnamed Major Research University, I'm a stone's throw from an astrophysics lab with "plasma" in its name, a few buildings away from a lab with "space plasma" in its name. The required graduate intro-astro class at this university includes solving the Saha Equation for the ionization state of a plasma. Plasmas crop up in essentially all astro colloquia here, especially in accretion disks. The Biggest Astro Discovery of the Year, on which I've delivered journal-club talks and listened to colloquia, included a experimental constraint on intergalactic magnetic fields; I'm involved in a project whose underlying theory includes an electric field at a (unusual) stellar surface; I recently gave up on a calculation for which I hoped (unusual) stellar-interior electric fields would turn out to be important, but when I did that part of the calculation they turned out to be unimportant.

In other words, the OP is full of baloney.
 
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And, you haven't established that this WHIM meets the definition of a plasma yet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)#Definition_of_a_plasma

I don't think you grasp the essential fact here. I'm not the one discovering, publishing and announcing this stuff. In regards to plasma, cold plasma is still several thousand degrees. When discussing any matter that is at a million degrees K, we are talking about plasma. By definition.

There are some of your startling revelations that I am unaware of. Could you provide some citations?

Did you watch the video yet?
 
I don't think you grasp the essential fact here. I'm not the one discovering, publishing and announcing this stuff. In regards to plasma, cold plasma is still several thousand degrees. When discussing any matter that is at a million degrees K, we are talking about plasma. By definition.

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Oh dear ...

May I conclude, robinson, that you rather enjoy not only being ignorant but actually flaunting your ignorance?

I mean, after all the hundreds of posts you must have read, and the dozens (or more) of links in them, you still don't know what a plasma is?!?
 
Isn't plasma like blood, without the red cells?

Heh. While funny, that brings up a good point. Plasma is supposedly called Plasma because Langmuir was reminded of blood plasma while observing, well, what we now call plasma.

"Oscillations in Ionized Gases,"
Irving Langmuir
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences1928
 
Sounds like another entirely reasonable explanation why authors may avoid using the term "plasma" outside of specialist publications.
 
Here's another one from Chandra. Or more precise, from Dr. Ebisawa. Article is subscription only, so no copy and paste.

What he theorizes, and it is one of those "theory where we mean it in the sense of maybe, not that theory as almost law thing", is that our Galaxy, as well as every other Galaxy like ours, has the intense magnetic fields, which keep the ultra hot plasma in place.

What he calls plasma, is 20 or 30 million Kelvin, (we don't really know), so nobody is going to try and call it hot gas, is everywhere in our Galaxy.

How does he know this? Because of the X-rays measured. Why does he think there are magnetic fields everywhere? Because any plasma that hot and energetic wouldn't stick around in between the stars otherwise.

Have you seen the animations of this? The numbers behind this kind of massive plasma? The number behind the amount of magnetism involved? The science behind how plasma creates such intense x-rays?

Bah. Enough of this, I found a free source for some of this stuff.
http://www.astronomytoday.com/cosmology/xray.html

It includes some really wild stuff about quasars and background x-rays. Just the tip of the cosmic iceberg there.

Stuff about extra clumpy plasma near super novas. But like a lot of this new stuff, it raises far more questions than it answers.

I can hardly wait. This stuff is way cool. And not in that woo way either.
 
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as usual, i'm getting the feeling that there's a lot more going on than meets the eyes.
this is always the case. the universe gets bigger; the atom gets diverse...even archaeology is constantly stretching the time that we showed up.

i admire robinson's enthusiasm. and his woo disclaimer. my woo alarm didn't go off!

plasma is my favorite woo, because it is new woo. it's so not, like bigfoot woo.
if its not woo, that's cool too. i also feel a crack in the force. things are bound, by some unwritten law, to be more fantastic than what we can imagine at any point in time.

imaginers are like sperm. there's so many; 99.999999% are doomed to fail.
yet, the struggle brings forth babies.
 
More evidence that you may not have seen yet.

And more evidence against not using the word Plasma to describe, well, what we call plasma.

Astronomers detect plasma at black hole
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/science/archive/030920/science10.htm

And from the same article:

Nasa’s Chandra X-ray Observatory detected sound waves, for the first time, from a super-massive black hole. The “note” is the deepest ever detected from an object in the universe. The tremendous amounts of energy carried by these sound waves may solve a longstanding problem in astrophysics.

The black hole resides in the Perseus cluster, located 250 million light years from Earth. In 2002, astronomers obtained a deep Chandra observation that shows ripples in the plasma filling the cluster. These ripples are evidence for sound waves that have traveled hundreds of thousands of light years away from the cluster’s central black hole.

“The Perseus sound waves are much more than just an interesting form of black hole acoustics,” said Steve Allen, also of the IoA and a co-investigator in the research. “These sound waves may be the key in figuring out how galaxy clusters, the largest structures in the universe, grow,” Allen said.
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/science/archive/030920/science10.htm

Sound waves? Hundreds of thousands of light years? Through plasma? Doesn't that just sound woo? Woo woo!

One thing I love about science and discovery. It is way better than any woo crap. Recent developments in our ability to observe our Universe, makes it all seem, at least to me, even stranger than science fiction.
 
More evidence that you may not have seen yet.

And more evidence against not using the word Plasma to describe, well, what we call plasma.

Astronomers detect plasma at black hole
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/science/archive/030920/science10.htm

And from the same article:


http://www.dawn.com/weekly/science/archive/030920/science10.htm

Sound waves? Hundreds of thousands of light years? Through plasma? Doesn't that just sound woo? Woo woo!

One thing I love about science and discovery. It is way better than any woo crap. Recent developments in our ability to observe our Universe, makes it all seem, at least to me, even stranger than science fiction.
Um ...

That's pretty old news robinson ... oh, and did you know that sound can propagate through a plasma? It seems that you didn't; however, if you recall what 'sound' is (as in what you hear when you listen to someone speaking to you across a room), it should be pretty obvious that something very similar can travel through a plasma ...

And if you want a really scifi angle, why not ask why the things astronomers are so excited about in the CMB are called 'acoustic peaks'? or why there's so much excitement about how observations of BAO (baryon acoustic oscillation) are consistent with CMB observations?
 
I am not afriad, plasma plasma plasmaplasma plasma...

there I said it.

If it accounts for some huge matter amounts, that is cool.

But does it make for flat rotation curves in galaxies?

Does it do anything outside of ordinary astrophysics?

If some press release uses the word 'baffled' does that mean anything?

New evidence?

I though that the temperature between galaxies and galaxy clusters was old news.

Whatever.

maybe it speels something...


"Wait , here it is, the image is becoming clearer, it appears to be writing...
...D...R...I...N...K...M...O...R...E...O...V...A...L...T...I...N...E...! "
 
There is also some Video already on the Net. Check out this teaser:
http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=b000612_sp_chandra

Gives you a hint of what is to come.


That video is way cool :cool:

"researchers are amazed at the amount of activity in the invisible universe. 'Every known class of astronomical object, or a subset of that class, is an Xray source, and some cases this was extremely surprising, and in some cases its extremely interesting" .......... I could say something about predictions here from a certain group of people about the pervasiveness of the EM spectrum, but i'm going to resist :)

And something else from that video jumped out at me. The third picture they show, the "Vela pulsar", nearly exactly matches the scale invariant shape of the axisymmetric sheath of plasma current created in dense plasma focus devices. Its well known to people who have investigated plasma devices such as these that the plasma behaves in a scale invarient manner, ie, no matter what the size of the device, the dimensions and current remains nearly indentical. This is one of the unique and mysterious properties of plasma, and why gaining knowledge of space from plasma based experiments is such a fascinating field to be in right now.

Velar pulsar:

Vela_pulsar.jpg


Dense plasma focus;

PlasmaGunPhoto.jpg


(source: http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/downloads/Peratt.Dessler.pdf)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_plasma_focus
An important characteristic of the dense plasma focus is that the energy density of the focused plasma is practically a constant over the whole range of machines, from sub-kilojoule machines to megajoule machines, when these machines are tuned for optimal operation. This means that a small table-top-sized plasma focus machine produces essentially the same plasma characteristics (temperature and density) as the largest plasma focus. Of course the larger machine will produce the larger volume of focused plasma with a corresponding longer lifetime and more radiation yield.

Even the smallest plasma focus has essentially the same dynamic characteristics as larger machines, producing the same plasma characteristics and the same radiation products and radiation characteristics. This is due to the scalability of plasma phenomena.

See also plasmoid, the self-contained magnetic plasma ball that may be produced by a dense plasma focus.[.......]



Just read this cool paper on this very subject; (ref) And looks like the prophetic words of Kristian Birkeland are once again being proved right, over a century since he made the observations; "From the conceptions to which our experimental analogies lead us, it is possible to form, in a natural manner, an interesting theory of the origin of worlds. This theory differs from all earlier theories in that it assumes the existence of electro-magnetic origin in addition to the force of gravitation, in order to explain the formation of the varied shapes we observe in space, of moons and rings about the planets, and of spiral and annular nebulae." Thats why he is considered the pioneer of the plasma universe, he pretty much invented the "Terrella", which is used to simulate the electromagnetic characteristics of planets and bodies in space from laboratory experiments, scaled over many of orders of magnitude. Cool thread :thumbsup: I hope it is televised, its gonna be one hell of a show.


[edit] And also, I just realised that I am familiar with the second picture in the video, of SN1987A. Supernova theory has focused exclusively on complex thermonuclear models and hypothetical states of matter, most of which are impossible to test or to falsify. A poor record of prediction and many observed anomalies prompts consideration of an alternative. "The “beaded ring” pattern of brightening is not well explained as an expanding spherical shock front into an earlier stellar “wind” It also seems to match very closely the shapes observed in the scale invarient plasma Z-pinch discharge mechanism, this is why an alternative electrical explanation has recently been put forwards for it, and other SN. See The Z-Pinch Morphology of Supernova 1987A and Electric Stars (PM me if you want full text, private access and copyright issues with direct links here, etc, etc,)

individual current filaments are maintained by their azimuthal self-magnetic fields, a property lost by increasing the number of electrical current filaments. The scaling is constant for a given hollow beam thickness, from microampere beams to multi-megaampere beams and beam diameters of millimeters to thousands of kilometers.” This scaling of plasma phenomena has been extended to at least 14 orders of magnitude, so the bright ring of SN 1987A can be considered as a stellar scale “witness plate” with the equatorial ejecta sheet acting as the witness plate for the axial Birkeland currents (Fig. 3). Peratt adds “Because the electrical current-carrying filaments are parallel, they attract via the Biot–Savart force law, in [.....]
 
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That video is way cool :cool:

"researchers are amazed at the amount of activity in the invisible universe. 'Every known class of astronomical object, or a subset of that class, is an Xray source, and some cases this was extremely surprising, and in some cases its extremely interesting" .......... I could say something about predictions here from a certain group of people about the pervasiveness of the EM spectrum, but i'm going to resist :)

And something else from that video jumped out at me. The third picture they show, the "Vela pulsar", nearly exactly matches the scale invariant shape of the axisymmetric sheath of plasma current created in dense plasma focus devices. Its well known to people who have investigated plasma devices such as these that the plasma behaves in a scale invarient manner, ie, no matter what the size of the device, the dimensions and current remains nearly indentical. This is one of the unique and mysterious properties of plasma, and why gaining knowledge of space from plasma based experiments is such a fascinating field to be in right now.

Velar pulsar:

[qimg]http://www.holoscience.com/news/img/Vela_pulsar.jpg[/qimg]

Dense plasma focus;

[qimg]http://lh5.ggpht.com/mgmirkin/RxkQiRMeBNI/AAAAAAAACMs/E3FvWi8ZtSc/PlasmaGunPhoto.jpg?imgmax=512[/qimg]

(source: http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/downloads/Peratt.Dessler.pdf)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_plasma_focus




Just read this cool paper on this very subject; (ref) And looks like the prophetic words of Kristian Birkeland are once again being proved right, over a century since he made the observations; "From the conceptions to which our experimental analogies lead us, it is possible to form, in a natural manner, an interesting theory of the origin of worlds. This theory differs from all earlier theories in that it assumes the existence of electro-magnetic origin in addition to the force of gravitation, in order to explain the formation of the varied shapes we observe in space, of moons and rings about the planets, and of spiral and annular nebulae." Thats why he is considered the pioneer of the plasma universe, he pretty much invented the "Terrella", which is used to simulate the electromagnetic characteristics of planets and bodies in space from laboratory experiments, scaled over many of orders of magnitude. Cool thread :thumbsup: I hope it is televised, its gonna be one hell of a show.


[edit] And also, I just realised that the second picture in the video, of SN1987A, which is the closest supernova to us, is the one that has perplexed many astronomers. Supernova theory has focused exclusively on complex thermonuclear models and hypothetical states of matter, most of which are impossible to test or to falsify. A poor record of prediction and many observed anomalies prompts consideration of an alternative. "The “beaded ring” pattern of brightening is not well explained as an expanding spherical shock front into an earlier stellar “wind” It also seems to match very closely the shapes observed in the scale invarient plasma Z-pinch discharge mechanism, this is why an alternative electrical explanation has recently been put forwards for it, and other SN. See The Z-Pinch Morphology of Supernova 1987A and Electric Stars (PM me if you want full text, private access and copyright issues with direct links here, etc, etc,)
Step 4 (optional): list how well the cherry-picked aspect of P matches observation; unless you absolutely have to, don't use numbers.
Wow!

What an astonishing coincidence!!

(HINT: it's post#304 in a JREF thread on a certain topic ...)
 
A couple of day ago I viewed some astounding footage (animations and photos) of some revolutionary stuff.

Unfortunately, I am currently out of action (see signature), but even so, some stuff can't be revealed yet.
 
http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=b000612_sp_chandra

Good to see at least two people watched the video. Did you not the key phrases they used in it?

Note the following quotes, emphasis mine:

A gaggle of energetic enigmas in the unseen Universe

Giant bubble of gas... three million Celsius degrees hot

researchers are amazed at the amount of activity in the invisible Universe

Every know object is an X-ray source

extremely surprising, in all cases extremely interesting

more surprising than anybody thought

We have only begun to see what this means to the astrophysics community

It will be revolutionary in what makes the Universe tick and our understanding of it

I don't understand why some people try to focus on an individual, rather than looking at the evidence, the data, the discoveries, and in this case, some pretty expensive productions that highlight and inform us about revolutionary advances in our understanding.

It isn't hyperbole to state that something will change our entire view of things, when that really is what is happening.

The data and discoveries from multiple new platforms, as well as some old ones, is turning over a lot of long established belief systems, about our Universe. A paradigm shift is occurring. Like with quantum physics theory, many will resist with great force facing the facts.

Like using the term plasma, to describe plasma, some people have a hard time changing their mindset. Even when faced with indisputable facts, they try to cling to what they know, rather than find themselves adrift in a sea of new knowledge.

You can't blame them, change is hard. And finding out almost everything you thought you knew about was wrong, is a crushing blow to the ego.
 
Should this thread be moved to the CT section?

Is the OP full of baloney?

Have more than two people watched the video?

Did Weisskopf somewhat exaggerate in that video?

And just how long has Chandra (and XMM-Newton and other x-ray observatories) been sending data down to Earth??
 
I stumbled across a few more webpages listed at physorg, about some of the recent electrically dynamic discoveries in space, that may be a good addition here. Seems astronomers are more and more surprised with even electrical/plasma event they discover. And I would ignore the parts where they say that gravity can form these vast filaments in space, they obviously dont understand the attractive nature of the gravitaional field, thus why they have to say that these immesnse filaments are all held together with dark matter duct tape. It has be be EM forces/plasma effects at work here on these large scales. Gravity can simply not form these structures without mysterious new untested, non-baryonic, physics.

Intergalactic particle beam is longest yet found

An intergalactic particle beam stretching for more than a million light years is the longest ever seen. According to the team that discovered this record breaker, it could help reveal how such jets of matter bind themselves together.


Saturn surrounded by electric ‘doughnut’

'Axis of evil' a cause for cosmic concern

Some believe it is just a figment of overactive imaginations. But evidence is growing that the so-called "axis of evil" - a pattern apparently imprinted on the radiation left behind by the big bang - may be real, posing a threat to standard cosmology.

According to the standard model, the universe is isotropic, or much the same everywhere. However, in 2005, Kate Land and João Magueijo of Imperial College London noticed a curious pattern in the map of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) created by NASA's WMAP satellite. It seemed to show that some hot and cold spots in the CMB are not distributed randomly, as expected, but are aligned along what Magueijo dubbed the axis of evil.


Strange Space Weather over Africa - NASA

Something strange is happening in the atmosphere above Africa and researchers have converged on Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, to discuss the phenomenon. The Africa Space Weather Workshop kicked off Nov. 12th with nearly 100 scientists and students in attendance.

The strange phenomenon that brings all these people together is the ion plume—"a newly discovered form of space weather," says University of Colorado atmospheric scientist and Workshop co-organizer Tim Fuller-Rowell.

Researchers liken the plumes to smoke billowing out of a factory smokestack—except instead of ordinary ash and dust, ion plumes are made of electrified gas floating so high above ground they come in contact with space itself.


The Antennae Galaxies Found To Be Closer To Us

This ones wierd. How could they have got this so wrong?

New research on the Antennae Galaxies using the Advanced Camera for Surveys onboard the NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope shows that this proto-typical pair of interacting galaxies is in fact much closer to us than previously thought - at 45 million light-years instead of 65 million light-years.


Galaxies like necklace beads. Astronomers find that galaxies are not oriented randomly in space.

Trujillo's team found that significantly more spiral galaxies spin with their axes aligned with the filaments they are embedded in than would be expected by chance. Although the researchers can reject random orientation with 99.7-percent confidence, they need more data to specify the range of orientations. The work appears in the 1 April issue of Astrophysical Journal Letters.

"It's a very interesting finding," says Alan Heavens, a theoretical astrophysicist at the University of Edinburgh, and it has the potential to tell us more about how galaxies form.


And this Star is exactly what you expect when the local current density increases rapidly from an external circuit from the galaxy, Afven predicted this was the event that likely caused supernove, quite different than the current explanation.

The Mouse That Roared: Pipsqueak Star Unleashes Monster Flare

And scientists at the IEEE have observed trends in supernove occurences, that should be random, and have no connection to each other in the standard nuclear evolution model of supernova.

Trends in apparent time intervals between multiple supernovae occurrences

This paper presents an analysis of recent and historic supernovae and the statistics found in multiple supernovae occurrences, as related to the apparent time intervals between successive events, and the application of trends found from those simple statistics to supernova surveying-a focused search: developing target lists from the International Astronomical Union (IAU), list of all known supernovae and their host galaxies, with the greatest immediate statistical potential for a timely successive supernova. This approach has yielded consistent results for target development since its inception, with a 96% success rate over 16 months, and one direct, and immediate, result for surveying (SN2002eg). These trends found in apparent time intervals have been seen to apply to known hosts with only one recorded supernova and not otherwise known to be "prolific" supernovae producers. This strong indication of applicable periodic behavior introduces a potential new role for extra-galactic supernovae, in modern cosmology, as possible observational evidence in support of the plasma cosmology theory of Hannes Alfven, based on fundamental principles.


And this particularly enigmatic star seems to support this idea;

Brightest supernova died six times

The brightest supernova ever detected was about 100 times brighter than the flash of typical dying star (Image: iStockphoto)
Astronomers analysing the brightest supernova ever detected say the titanic flare has reshaped thinking about the death struggle of gigantic stars.

Supernova SN 2006gy, located 240 million light-years away in galaxy NGC 1260, entered the record books in September last year when it dramatically brewed into an explosion 50 billion times brighter than the sun.

It was about 100 times brighter than the flash of a typical dying star.

And they theorise the star did not blow up just once, but several times.
 
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No great surprises but a few interesting articles.

I stumbled across a few more webpages listed at physorg, about some of the recent electrically dynamic discoveries in space, that may be a good addition here. Seems astronomers are more and more surprised with even electrical/plasma event they discover. And I would ignore the parts where they say that gravity can form these vast filaments in space, they obviously dont understand the attractive nature of the gravitaional field, thus why they have to say that these immesnse filaments are all held together with dark matter duct tape. It has be be EM forces/plasma effects at work here on these large scales. Gravity can simply not form these structures without mysterious new untested, non-baryonic, physics.
Physicists understand the attractive nature of gravity very well. That is why normal and dark matter in the Lambda-CDM model has attractive gravity. Oddly enough computer simulations of the Lambda-CDM model produce immense filaments without any "EM forces/plasma effects".

Electromagnetic forces have been known as the cause of jets from the super-massive black holes at the center of galaxies for decades. The only surprise is the length of this one.

Standard plasma physics - the only surprise is that it rotates.

No mention of plasma but an intriguing issue. One explanation is that the inflation phase of the Big Bang was not isotropic but stretched along one axis.

100 scientists and students in attendance in a conference about the ion plume. Plasma is even mentioned!
Ion plumes inhabit a layer of Earth's atmosphere called the "ionosphere." It is a broad region 85 km to 600 km above ground level where ultraviolet radiation from the sun knocks electrons off atoms and molecules, creating a layer of ionized gas or "plasma" surrounding our entire planet. As ham radio operators have known for more than 100 years, the ionosphere can bend, distort, reflect and even absorb radio waves. Plumes amplify these effects.
Nothing to do with plasma- just atmospheric physics.

The Antennae Galaxies Found To Be Closer To Us

This ones wierd. How could they have got this so wrong?
I agree.

First paragraph in the article:
Astronomers have known since the early 1990s that galaxies cluster in filaments and sheets surrounding vast voids in space. Now, an international team of astronomers has found that spiral galaxies, like the Milky Way, line up like beads on a string, with their spin axes aligned with the filaments that outline voids. The finding supports current galaxy-formation theories and forges a rare observational link between the large-scale distribution of mass in the universe and galaxy-size structures.


And this Star is exactly what you expect when the local current density increases rapidly from an external circuit from the galaxy, Afven predicted this was the event that likely caused supernove, quite different than the current explanation.
The Mouse That Roared: Pipsqueak Star Unleashes Monster Flare
Well known astronomy: The red dwarf that roared.

And scientists at the IEEE have observed trends in supernove occurences, that should be random, and have no connection to each other in the standard nuclear evolution model of supernova.

Trends in apparent time intervals between multiple supernovae occurrences

And this particularly enigmatic star seems to support this idea;

Brightest supernova died six times
Actually this has no connection with the previous article. It is a single star undergoing multiple explosions which is not unknown.
 
I stumbled across a few more webpages listed at physorg, about some of the recent electrically dynamic discoveries in space, that may be a good addition here. Seems astronomers are more and more surprised with even electrical/plasma event they discover. And I would ignore the parts where they say that gravity can form these vast filaments in space, they obviously dont understand the attractive nature of the gravitaional field, thus why they have to say that these immesnse filaments are all held together with dark matter duct tape. It has be be EM forces/plasma effects at work here on these large scales. Gravity can simply not form these structures without mysterious new untested, non-baryonic, physics.

Intergalactic particle beam is longest yet found




Saturn surrounded by electric ‘doughnut’

'Axis of evil' a cause for cosmic concern




Strange Space Weather over Africa - NASA




The Antennae Galaxies Found To Be Closer To Us

This ones wierd. How could they have got this so wrong?
Easy, science is science.
I saw that one too, very cool.
And this Star is exactly what you expect when the local current density increases rapidly from an external circuit from the galaxy, Afven predicted this was the event that likely caused supernove, quite different than the current explanation.
Um, well the best theory still accounts for the build up of iron and the trans iron elements.
That one is cool and very interesting, science rulles.
And scientists at the IEEE have observed trends in supernove occurences, that should be random, and have no connection to each other in the standard nuclear evolution model of supernova.
I would have to look at the basis of the trend, no supernovae are not random, they are based upon the mass and age of the star, so you should in fact find clumps of them. But time is a big element compared to human astronomy.


That is another one to look at, there are shells that are thrown out in the prenovae and presuper novae state as well.

Thanks there are three I had missed.
 

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