Little 10 Toes
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Again,
By the standard notion a proper class is a collection that logically cannot be or it is too big in order to be considered as a set.
" Logically can't be " or "Too big" means that it is impossible to define such a collection in terms of set.
Funny, that's not what Proper_classWP says. Once again, you are abusing standard terms to be something they're not.
See above.Since by OM, the cardinality of a collection is the magnitude of existence of its objects, then the full set is definable and proper classes are avoided, simply because only the full set is an actual non-finite.
Collections can be done using the standard notion of cardinality. It's you that makes the water muddy.It is done by using an ontological point of view of collections (it cannot be done by using the standard notion of cardinality) and as a result we get simpler and richer mathematical framework, which is much more interesting than the cantorean transfinite framework.
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But you just said that there is an existing set that has a cardinality of 0. Most people call it the empty set.The fact is this: we have an existing {} that its cardinality is 0.
From an ontological point of view (where we first of all care about the existence (or non-existence) of things) an existing thing cannot have cardinality 0.
Please define "the magnitude of existence of its members". You have been asked several times yet you avoid it.In that case the cardinality of {} is detemined by the magnitude of existence of its members, where {} is en existing measurment tool, that is always excluded from the measurment.
No. Let's not.Ok, let us close this dialog for now.
It's because you can't define it.The fact is that jsfisher and The Man try to get OM by using the standard notions of set.
As a result they can't get OM's new notions about set.
Ok then, back to basics. Please define "Emptiness", "Intermediate", and "Fullness".By using an ontological viewpoint of the foundations of the mathematical science we distinguish between 3 levels of existence:
1) Emptiness
2) Intermediate
3) Fullness
Emptiness or Fullness can be researched only indirectly by using the intermediate level of existence.
Let's remember that.A set is a level 2 (Intermediate) thing.
Please define "the magnitude of existence of its members".By OM, the cardinality of a set is determined by the magnitude of existence of its members.
So if a set has no members, the cardinality of that set is zero.A set exists even if it is empty, but this existence is excluded from its cardinality value.
You have not established why a set is a level 2 thing. The rest of this post depends on providing proof that a set is a level 2 thing. Just because you say it is, doesn't mean it's so.Since a set is a level 2 (Intermediate) thing, then:
1) It is above the level of Emptiness ( for example: {} )
2) It is at the level of sets ( for example: {a,b,c,...} )
3) It is below the level of Fullness ( for example: {_}_ )
Site?Some claims "there is nothing below set".
He is right because "there is nothing" is Emptiness.
By following the ontological notion, we get the opposite of Emptiness, called Fullness.
Some claims "there is nothing above set".
Well this is ontologically wrong because "nothing" is below set.
Some claims "there is everything above set".
In summation, please define
- the magnitude of existence of its members
- Emptiness
- Intermediate
- Fullness