no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

QUOTE=Gavron;4726300]His own link said the FBI was moving to the north parking lot, to sift thru debris for evidence.

Haha![/QUOTE]



Jackanory said:
Yep. For every 10 duff posts he makes, the 11th one is sure to refute all said previous posts. Classic stuff from Roger Misner the NSA analyst who's spelling is worse than mine.
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Sorry but sifting through evidence in the parking lot is not working the crime scnene that was the Pentagon.

Oh you have conceded to the infomration since you cannot debate the sources.
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
No they were doing other things but they were not working on the crime scene as sources show.
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They weire sifting thru the debbris for evidence, as your own source shows.

Pretty funny when your own source proves you wrong.

:busted
 
ULTIMA1 said:
believers



Most of the tones of evidence can be debunked.

As stated witnesses are not very relaiable sources.
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Which is why all the physical evidence and witnesses and expert testimony and forensics are considered as a whole and the preponderance of evidence wins.

The vast preponderance of evidence shows that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Evidence to the contrary verges on zero. What there is doesn't discredit the basic story.

Nothing that might be found in any FOIA response will change the basic story; AA77 and three other jets were hijacked by Islamists and crashed into 3 buildings.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
As stated by several sources the FBI stopped woking on the crim scene on Sept. 26.



Not working the crime scene.
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how do you not work?

Is that when you plant evidence and unanalyze the results?

Maybe you erase reports?
 
Another split to AAH.

Keep it civil please. Attack the argument, not the arguer.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Gaspode
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Do you have the serial number that matches the FDR to AA77? If not then you do not know if the FDR is from AA77.

Sorry but passenger DNA does not ID the plane no matter how hard you hope.
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Again, have you contacted American Airlines with this information? I'm certain they would be very interested.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Most of the tones of evidence can be debunked.
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You say "most" here. Please show us what of that evidence you find do acceptable.

And I'd like to ask again for qualify what kind of proof you would find acceptable. Maybe if you could give a specific example of what you would expect to see. Please don't ask for a source that has not been made available yet. Be clear in telling us what you expect!

As you have previously not answered, and until you can give an unambiguous answer, I feel I can safely presume you will accept no other evidence other than serial numbers that may or may not exist in unreleased documents.
 
BirdyBuddy said:
You say "most" here. Please show us what of that evidence you find do acceptable.

And I'd like to ask again for qualify what kind of proof you would find acceptable. Maybe if you could give a specific example of what you would expect to see. Please don't ask for a source that has not been made available yet. Be clear in telling us what you expect!

As you have previously not answered, and until you can give an unambiguous answer, I feel I can safely presume you will accept no other evidence other than serial numbers that may or may not exist in unreleased documents.[/QUOTE]

Twoofer would lable it as fake anyway
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A W Smith said:
you lose troll

All four flights identified. seat assignments. flight paths. this presentation was used in a court of law, Too bad for you HI.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200018.html

Download the file and Click on the time line in the presentation HI. its gonna ruin your day. Yes.. used in court. Not overturned or contested. I enjoy so much exposing truther trolls for the jackasses they are
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Oh it hurts so bad. You really got me there. I think I'll just slink away in embarrassment and never come back again.

lol

You expose nothing but your talent at getting reported for personal attacks with a side of the same kind of irrelevant nonsense I've already beaten into submission numurous times in this very thread.

Did you read it? The whole thing? I bet you didn't. Or maybe you did and that's what really offends you so much.

I have never claimed flight 77 didn't exist with seat assignments, passengers, and planned flight paths.

Identify the object that hit Shanksville, Tower 1, Tower 2, but first start with the topic of the op.

77

You haven't identified anything that crashed on 9/11 as 77 yet nor has any other fraud in this forum or any court anywhere.
 
A bunch more posts moved to AAH.

As silly as this thread is with the mutual claims for evidene, I am loathe to move the whole thing to AAH since people have spent so much time on it. But unless you cut out the personal attacks and off topic "observations" about believers and troofers, I don't predict a long life for it.

I'm leaving most of the "did too" "did not" posts, but that's pretty generous. Clean up your act folks.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky
 
apathoid said:
260px-


Homeland Insurgency? How am I supposed to know that's TWA 800 without a matched serial number? And how about a tail, or wings, or a wheel...where are they? I'm very skeptical of this shining example of "how terrorist downed planes were investigated in the past".
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HI, you going to answer this question?
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
That would be the topic of this thread where I am still in the dark about your contribution.
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As I said, I'd be happy to clarify, if only you could tell me specifically where your confusion lies.


Homeland Insurgency said:
Good. What's the difference?
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If that is a legitimate question, I say a new thread can be started. If you are confused, maybe this isn't the right thread for you.


Homeland Insurgency said:
So serial number identification and what hit the pentagon are two different threads. Okay.

Can you point me to the right thread and is it on the way to the bar?
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I suspect you are perfectly capable of finding it yourself without any help from little unknown me.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Read the reports and investigations that have so much more information then any of the four flights involved in the worse day in aviation history.
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All I want is serial number HI to match to TWA 800. Got one? Shouldn't be hard, so produce one, or according to you, it isn't TWA 800. BTW, you posted the picture remember, now back it up with a serial number.
 
How do we know they got ValuJet 592 out of that swamp, and not some other aircraft?

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/aar9706.pdf

The serial numbers of the oxygen generators figure heavily in this sad story, and some of those SNs were recovered from the wreck, but other than a routine mention of the airframe SN and both engine SNs, no mention is made that any serial numbers were looked at to verify that this was 592.

It would appear that the fact that 592 was missing, had sent a distress call, and that the CVR/FDR matched that plane was definitive.

Pretty reckless, wouldn't you say?

What do you make of that, eh?

Was this a dastardly plot to replace 592 with a doppelganger?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
IF YOU HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OF AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATIONS YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE REASON WE CANNOT GET THE SERIAL NUMBERS THROUGH FOIA REQUEST IS THAT THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE BEING USED IN THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION TO ID THE PLANES.
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That answers the OP right there and ULTIMA1 even gets the last word, undeservedly so.

/THREAD.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149
By document labeled "Remarks of Carol Carmody Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board Leadership in Times of Crisis Seminar", it is indicated that the director of the FBI requested that the NTSB "help identify aircraft parts" belonging to the said aircraft.

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.
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You proved on 911 we need no serial numbers; the RADAR track identifies 11 and 175. You messed up and used some moronic tripe from a lair.
175RadarTrack.jpg

Real evidence beats the moronic ideas of your failed source.
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911Blogger is the best place to find moronic tripe on 911; you found it! How do you find these failed ideas? Is it your NSA training?

when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent
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Read it! On 911 all the aircraft were tracked to their crash sites by RADAR. You must of missed the evidence.

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm evidence! what you deny.
 
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Continuing the bickering, personal attacks and derails is likely to result in more severe mod action for many of you, up to and including suspensions and bans.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles
 
ULTIMA1 said:
NO the evindece was used in a trial not a crime scene investigation.
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dude did you really just say that?
you cant be this thick?
Please tell us what evidence was used if not the evidence from the crime scene?
This proves roger is just here to incite and should be evidence for his removal from this great place!
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Wrong agiain.

The reason we cannot get serial numbers through FOIA request is that the serial numbers are being used in the investigation.
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And you admitted that you don't need serial numbers to know ID the jet as AA787.

Sheesh, Ultima 1, give it up. You already admitted last year the jet that crashed into the Pentagon was AA77.
 
Cuddles said:
Continuing the bickering, personal attacks and derails is likely to result in more severe mod action for many of you, up to and including suspensions and bans.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles
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Then ban me. If you are going to allow 34 pages of nonsense by a troll and then get upset because we object to him, then knock yiourself out.
 
Guys, guys, c'mon. Pleas don't get yourselves banned just because Ultima's found buttons to push. I miss Pomeroo already; I don't want to see other people go. It's possible for the rest of us to have substantive conversations on these topics. Just stick Ultima on ignore. He's already proven over and over that he brings nothing factual to the threads he participates in. No one will miss anything by ignoring him.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Oh it hurts so bad. You really got me there. I think I'll just slink away in embarrassment and never come back again.

lol

You expose nothing but your talent at getting reported for personal attacks with a side of the same kind of irrelevant nonsense I've already beaten into submission numurous times in this very thread.

Did you read it? The whole thing? I bet you didn't. Or maybe you did and that's what really offends you so much.

I have never claimed flight 77 didn't exist with seat assignments, passengers, and planned flight paths.

Identify the object that hit Shanksville, Tower 1, Tower 2, but first start with the topic of the op.

77

You haven't identified anything that crashed on 9/11 as 77 yet nor has any other fraud in this forum or any court anywhere.
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did you read the thread title? the whole thing? what does it say HI?
no serial numbers were identified from flight 77
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Yes I read every post in this thread HI. And in not one of them has anyone proved that the numbers were NOT identified. The numbers may not have been made publicly available. But that does not in of itself mean that they were not identified. Now are you going to step up to the plate and prove the assertion of the op?



I thought not.

You can slink off now

Thanks
debunked

/close thread/
 
911files said:
Then ban me. If you are going to allow 34 pages of nonsense by a troll and then get upset because we object to him, then knock yiourself out.
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Me too. I have already asked the Mods to ban this troll. He can continue to throw childish jibes such as 'too childish' , 'not adult enough', 'closed minded', 'calls most liars', etc etc etc . He brings nothing here. Ban him or let him derail every single thread here, as you are.
 
No serial numbers are needed to identify Flight 77; we all knew on 911 which plane it was and the DNA made it legal for identifying the passenger's deaths.

This is the dumbest idea from the cult of 911 delusions.

don't quote the troll; report the troll
don't quote the SPAM; report the spam

don't quote the troll; post our ideas with the OP in mind; find an idea you like and explain it; Go Jog until you can't remembers how dumb the posts of HI and Ultima1 are; they will be here to read when you want to see pure stupid.

When the cut and paste, don't quote them, that the source and discuss it.

I love the RADAR tracks; 77 was tracked the whole way and it was taped. So on 911 ATC had no idea who 77 was, but his trail was on record and he would be known quickly. I have asked for radar information on my mishap aircraft and we had it the next day or so; very fast; or I forgot and we spent a long time in South Carolina.

So if you know this is 77 and you have a big fire ball from an aircraft crash at the end of the path of 77; what plane caused the impact. And you have all the tracks of all planes on 911; all the planes.

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The trolls lost, there is no regulation that requires serial numbers to be used to identify any of the flights on 911.

We have people who are ignorant on this issue trying to make an issue. What happen to their quest for truth? They ask for a new investigation but can't figure out what planes crashed when it is common knowledge; this is pure insanity on the part of those making up stupid ideas like the serial number delusion. Don't quote the troll post evidence. Report him.
 
beachnut said:
No serial numbers are needed to identify Flight 77; we all knew on 911 which plane it was and the DNA made it legal for identifying the passenger's deaths.
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You must be the worst investigator.

DNA does not verify ID of a plane for a criminal investiagtion, thats why the NTSB was called in.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
You must be the worst investigator.

DNA does not verify ID of a plane for a criminal investiagtion, thats why the NTSB was called in.
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WTF?

NTSB does not do anything other than determine how an accident happened for purposes of seeing to it that it either never happens again, or that it would be more survivable if it does.

How can you justify your boast that you are a soooper-seekrit g-man and still reveal that you don't even know what a major governmental agency does?

To quote from their mission statement;

The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent Federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in the other modes of transportation -- railroad, highway, marine and pipeline -- and issuing safety recommendations aimed at preventing future accidents. The Safety Board determines the probable cause of:

  • all U.S. civil aviation accidents and certain public-use aircraft accidents;
  • selected highway accidents;
  • railroad accidents involving passenger trains or any train accident that results in at least one fatality or major property damage;
  • major marine accidents and any marine accident involving a public and a nonpublic vessel;
  • pipeline accidents involving a fatality or substantial property damage;
  • releases of hazardous materials in all forms of transportation; and
  • selected transportation accidents that involve problems of a recurring nature.
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BenBurch said:
WTF?
NTSB does not do anything other than determine how an accident happened for purposes of seeing to it that it either never happens again, or that it would be more survivable if it does.
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As stated in sources the NTSB was called in to verify parts and ID planes.
 
BTW, another civics lesson. "Proof" in a criminal investigation is what ever the judge allows into evidence and which the jury will accept as probative. A judge has a very, very wide latitude in making such a determination, and juries even more.

However, in this case you can likely determine the result by applying a "reasonable man" test to it; If a reasonable person would accept that a crash scene containing parts from a 757 and DNA of people known to have boarded a particular missing 757 and where the CVR and FDR and ground radar tracks all correspond to that particular missing 757 indicates that aircraft crashed on that spot, you have a case.

And this one would pass the test with almost any judge and almost any jury, and you would have a conviction assuming you could tie your suspect to the initial hijack plot.

How hard was that?

Mr. Grieves taught us all this in junior year civics in high school.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
As stated in sources the NTSB was called in to verify parts and ID planes.
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Its not their mission, though likely they were helping out, as were all levels of government at that time.

Remember that we had FOUR planes missing that day, and initially we were not exactly sure which one hit where. But by the time the internal serial numbers were taken out of the charred CVRs, we knew.

So, they verified the aircraft by serial numbers, just as you clowns keep demanding. How hard is that?
 
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