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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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9/11-investigator said:
...and are being attacked by people who do have designs on US-territory (Azlan and stuff).
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Bolding mine.

Am I missing something? Since when has Narnia had designs on US interests?

Although, I suspect that it would be easier to invade than you think. All that would be needed would be to send an innocent-looking wardrobe air-freight from England. Prop the door open and the army of deadly ninja fauns will do the rest. :biggrin:
 
Mexico will get California, Texas,and The Southwest back about the same time that Spain gets the Netherlands back.
9/11 Investigator view of the US through his Neo Nazi lenses is drop dead funny.
But his constant rants are putting me in the mood to go see "Inglorous Bestards" this weekend, which I was not before, because I a little burned out on Tarantino's constants riffs on bad 70's exploitation films, but seeing Nazis scalped seems like fun after my Investigator encounters.
 
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Think_Tank said:
Bolding mine.

Am I missing something? Since when has Narnia had designs on US interests?

Although, I suspect that it would be easier to invade than you think. All that would be needed would be to send an innocent-looking wardrobe air-freight from England. Prop the door open and the army of deadly ninja fauns will do the rest. :biggrin:
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He meant Aztlan.
 
The David Irving trial was the holocaust deniers' attempt to show that it isn't just neo-nazi, racist, antisemitic, lying, disgusting boors who are holocaust deniers -- legitimate historians can be holocaust deniers, too!

Unfortunately for them, what the trial accomplished was to utterly destroy what was left of David Irving's claims to be a legitimate historian, showing conclusively that he is, er, a neo-nazi, racist, antisemitic, lying, disgusting boor.
 
parky76 said:
in other words, you have never seen any evidence that can possibly refute ALL of these census data on pre and post WW2 Jewish population figures, and you don't expect to.

you are stumpt. I understand. you've been backed into a corner and you see no way out.

do you know why no Neo-Nazis have even attempted to refute every single world Jewish population statistic that corroborates a net loss of 5 million or so Jews?

cause it can't be done. the numbers are valid. and YOU KNOW IT.

instead, you will talk about the gas chambers and the ovens. you will talk about a written Nazi policy of extermination. you will ignore the census data forever.

=)
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9-11 Investigator?
 
parky76 said:
in other words, you have never seen any evidence that can possibly refute ALL of these census data on pre and post WW2 Jewish population figures, and you don't expect to.

you are stumpt. I understand. you've been backed into a corner and you see no way out.

do you know why no Neo-Nazis have even attempted to refute every single world Jewish population statistic that corroborates a net loss of 5 million or so Jews?

cause it can't be done. the numbers are valid. and YOU KNOW IT.

instead, you will talk about the gas chambers and the ovens. you will talk about a written Nazi policy of extermination. you will ignore the census data forever.

=)
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Don't be silly Parky. Remember, in real life references by yourself or Mum don't count. Don't pat yourself on the back too soon. I'm under more than average pressure in my professional life to finish a project so counting corpses is not very high on my agenda at the moment.

Meanwhile here is something to read regarding the Jewish population statistics angle of the holocaust. I have not read it myself yet:

http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html
http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_408.html
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4642
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p25_Weber.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html

Maybe next month I have more time (meaning beginning of september).
 
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Skeptic said:
The David Irving trial was the holocaust deniers' attempt to show that it isn't just neo-nazi, racist, antisemitic, lying, disgusting boors who are holocaust deniers -- legitimate historians can be holocaust deniers, too!

Unfortunately for them, what the trial accomplished was to utterly destroy what was left of David Irving's claims to be a legitimate historian, showing conclusively that he is, er, a neo-nazi, racist, antisemitic, lying, disgusting boor.
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Are you sure? Don't think so. He lost in his attempt to resist being called a 'holocaust denier'. He was foolish to think that in the climate anno 2000 or so a judge with a career to lose can simple admit that the holocaust, in the orthodox meaning of the word (6 million in a deliberate extermination effort) did not happen. The modern Western World has only one religion left, that of the holocaust. For judge Gray saying that the holocaust didn't happen is of the same magnitude as saying in 1500 that there is no God or Heaven. You'll end up as a social outcast and many who do end up in jail.

Nevertheless, the judge did not demolish the standing of Irving as a historian or portrayed him as a racist or nazi as you claim:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/trial/judgment/extract1.html

Judge Gray on racism: "I accept that Irving is not obsessed with race. He has certainly not condoned or excused racist violence or thuggery."


Judge Gray on right-wingers: "I accept that when he has spoken at their meetings, Irving has not expressed himself in extremist or anti-semitic terms."


Judge Gray on David Irving: "As a military historian, Irving has much to commend him. For his works of military history Irving has undertaken thorough and painstaking research into the archives. He has discovered and disclosed to historians and others many documents which, but for his efforts, might have remained unnoticed for years. It was plain from the way in which he conducted his case and dealt with a sustained and penetrating cross-examination that his knowledge of World War 2 is unparalleled. His mastery of the detail of the historical documents is remarkable. He is beyond question able and intelligent. He was invariably quick to spot the significance of documents which he had not previously seen. Moreover he writes his military history in a clear and vivid style. I accept the favourable assessment by Professor Watt and Sir John Keegan of the calibre of Irving's military history (mentioned in paragraph 3.4 above) and reject as too sweeping the negative assessment of Evans (quoted in paragraph 3.5). But the questions to which this action has given rise do not relate to the quality of Irving's military history but rather to the manner in which he has written about the attitude adopted by Hitler towards the Jews and in particular his responsibility for the fate which befell them under the Nazi regime.

So you are wrong Skeptic. Completely dead wrong.
 
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You have dtugg on ignore don't you?

'cause he predicted your answer quite accurately.

As for the paragraph you quoted, it just prove that Irving is a competent historian and that he should know better (and does) and that his mis-representation of the Holocaust, not being a 'honest mistake' is indeed ideologically motivated by his desire to 'excuse' Hitler and the Nazis, as the judge later mentioned.
 
Guys, the more you're going to entertain him, the more he's going to post.

I'm all for freedom of speech, he can speak his filth all he wants, but if nobody listens he'll go away.
 
Simon39759 said:
He meant Aztlan.
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That's exactly what I mean.

Future of America:
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/balkan.htm

Multi-racial/multi-religious empires are usually short-lived. Heck, even the Belgian French Walloons and Dutch Flemish don't want to live together and they are both Catholic and Germanic. Everybody knows what happened to Bosnia; all Slavs, albeit of Orthodox, Catholic and Mislum religious background. Jews and Palestinians, Czech and Slowaks, Sri Lanka, India, the Muslims of Russia, those of China, the 3 ethnic groups of Iraq... how stupid must you be to believe in 'diversity is our strength'?

Ah wait, Americans do! Therefore America will be the next high pressure cooker of history. In the next decade.
 
Pardalis said:
Guys, the more you're going to entertain him, the more he's going to post.

I'm all for freedom of speech, he can speak his filth all he wants, but if nobody listens he'll go away.
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I am not here for 'entertainment'. But it is true, if you don't react I'll go away indeed.

But not after declaring victory over my opponents. :D

And it is not very likely you are going to let that happen. But don't worry, by the time I have cornered you (as I will inevitably will) the mods will come to your rescue and ban me on a technicality.

But that's ok. I am here to harvest material for a new blog and you are going to use your spare time to help me with it.
 
xXMoshtradamusXx said:
http://www.worldsfamousphotos.com/buchenwald-1945.html
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It's clear that this poster does not understand what this thread is about.

It's not about nobody dying in the camps. Or whether Hitler was cool.

The central question of this thread is: 'was there yes/no a German program (Wannsee/Final Solution) to exterminate the Jewish population of Nazi-occupied Europe or was it 'merely' a German sort of American Operation Wetback, where Eisenhower expelled 1 million Mexican illigal immigrants from American soil?

That's the issue.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I am not here for 'entertainment'. But it is true, if you don't react I'll go away indeed.

But not after declaring victory over my opponents. :D

And it is not very likely you are going to let that happen. But don't worry, by the time I have cornered you (as I will inevitably will) the mods will come to your rescue and ban me on a technicality.

But that's ok. I am here to harvest material for a new blog and you are going to use your spare time to help me with it.
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Reality doesn't need defending.

Your kind lost in '45, so that makes you a loser, and you'll always be a loser.
 
9/11-investigator said:
The central question of this thread is: 'was there yes/no a German program (Wannsee/Final Solution) to exterminate the Jewish population of Nazi-occupied Europe or was it 'merely' a German sort of American Operation Wetback, where Eisenhower expelled 1 million Mexican illigal immigrants from American soil?

That's the issue.
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well, the fact that there are at least 5 million Jews missing from the planet Earth, suggests that the answer is indeed "yes".

again, a number backed up by ALL census and population data, and remains to this day UNCONTESTED.

18 million Jews before WW2...and 13 million Jews after WW2. explain dat.
 
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Uninvolved said:
Where are these numbers from, and which year do the "population" numbers reflect?
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these are the numbers from the book "The War against the Jews".

there are many other population statistics of pre-WW2 and post WW2 Jews in the world. They all show a decrease of at least 5 million Jews.

please explain or debunk that.
 
9/11-investigator said:
That's exactly what I mean.

Future of America:
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/balkan.htm

Multi-racial/multi-religious empires are usually short-lived. Heck, even the Belgian French Walloons and Dutch Flemish don't want to live together and they are both Catholic and Germanic. Everybody knows what happened to Bosnia; all Slavs, albeit of Orthodox, Catholic and Mislum religious background. Jews and Palestinians, Czech and Slowaks, Sri Lanka, India, the Muslims of Russia, those of China, the 3 ethnic groups of Iraq... how stupid must you be to believe in 'diversity is our strength'?

Ah wait, Americans do! Therefore America will be the next high pressure cooker of history. In the next decade.
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Actually, what you have described here, if true, would apply more to the EU than the US.
 
parky76 said:
these are the numbers from the book "The War against the Jews".

there are many other population statistics of pre-WW2 and post WW2 Jews in the world. They all show a decrease of at least 5 million Jews

please explain or debunk that.
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As there are really many other population statistics, it would be a heroic job to analyze all of them, and I am certainly not heroic.

Nevertheless, two numbers caught my eyes immediately:

1. France: the number of victims is supposed to be 90,000. However, only 76,000 have been deported to concentration camps, and many of those survived (though undoubtedly there were many, probably hundreds killed in France).

2. Hungary: the number of victims is supposed to be 450,000. However, even Raul Hilberg (not a Nazi sympathisant by any measure) estimated 180,000 victims. Others estimeted higher, between 250,000 and 450,000, but all these are pretty much baseless figures, one could claim 200,000 more or less with the same justification.
 
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