8 out of 8 at Citgo station

sorry cE but you and your ilk are the liars, here. as you continually claim that flight 77 did not crash there, despite being told that you are wrong, you are lying.

We have presented evidence that flight 77 crashed into the pentagon.

PAIK indicated a flight path he remembers, from 5 years ago, during that interview. and he was not in a position to see the impact. However, he did indcate that he thought it hit the VOD tower, WHICH puts the plane path on par with the official and SUPPORTED flight path
 
BCR said:
You have a 757 fly just a dozen or so feet over your head and have it explode within a hundred or so feet of you and see just how descriptive you are. After you go clean the poop out of your pants and thank God you are still alive, someone asks you what happened. Lets just see how accurate your description would be. You really have never dealt with accident/crime witnesses before have you?
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Yeah so you agree with me on the point about him having time to describe the following too?

Probst hit the ground and observed the right wing tip pass through the portable 750 kW generator that provides backup power to Wedge 1.The right engine took out the chainlink fence and posts surrounding the generator. The left engine struck an external steam vault before the fuselage entered the building.
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Would he have even reached the ground by the time the plane ´struck´ in less than 0.4 seconds? Followed by a massive blast? Followed by a fireball that came within metres of his alleged position?
The guy was on the ground covering his head and praying to God like 99% of us would do. Of course he did.

Just like most of the witnesses in the immediate vicinity. There is NO WAY they could just sit and stare as an explosion occurred.
 
mudlark said:
NOC = no impact.
Even the most ardent detractors acknowledge this.
Give it up.
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So here is your big chance. You have the radar screenshots (I posted 2 for you). Where did the plane go? It went NoC, where did it go? Please show it to me on the radar. Please, help us understand this.
 
mudlark said:
Just like most of the witnesses in the immediate vicinity. There is NO WAY they could just sit and stare as an explosion occurred.
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Yes, but a C-130 pilot and co-pilot could have seen it. The radar could could have seen it. The DCA controllers could have seen it past the Pentagon. Please, help us out and show us where the plane went.
 
beachnut said:
So how far can debris be ejected in this 757 kinetic energy impact. Do you know how much kinetic energy was involved, or do you make up your own rules for physics and flying. Are you a pilot and an aircraft accident investigator? Do you have anything other than delusions?


does 2,480,000,000 joules ring a bell?
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Which direction was this kinetic energy load allegedly travelling?
Tell me how I´m wrong about the blast hurling heavier debris in one direction and lighter debris in the opposite direction. Physically impossible.
Probst claimed that it ´floated´ about him in that mayhem. That it was airborne.
You know I´m right. I don´t need to be a ´pilot´ to know this basic physical reality. Unless we are talking 9/11 physics...
 
mudlark said:
Lagasse believed the poles were there because he saw the plane fly that direction, THEN saw the lightpoles down AFTERWARDS.
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How do you know what he "believed" and what he saw. He said he saw the light poles north of Citgo. Stop calling Lagasse a liar. His testimony has been corroborated.
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Lloyd England knows that he was being cornered into becoming THE official path witness and changed his ridiculous story when CIT put the heat on.
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You just claimed you agree with Mr England that the light poles were North of the Citgo and the plane hit the pentagon. If you don't believe this, try to explain why the light poles WEREN'T north of the citgo and why the corroborating independently verified witnesses are all of the sudden wrong and the official story is right.
 
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So here is your big chance. You have the radar screenshots (I posted 2 for you). Where did the plane go? It went NoC, where did it go? Please show it to me on the radar. Please, help us understand this.
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the Mossad could have easily removed the radar blips.

you know how crafty those jews can be. ;)
 
BCR said:
Yes, but a C-130 pilot and co-pilot could have seen it. The radar could could have seen it. The DCA controllers could have seen it past the Pentagon. Please, help us out and show us where the plane went.
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You purposely ignoring posts or repeating til some of the proverbial **** sticks?

When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC.
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The larger debris from the plane crashing into the wall and breaking up (material either going through wall or being reflected), lighter debris as a result of the explosion/fireball going in all directions?
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Less than 5 seconds. ´floating´, the heat and smoke dissipated over the Pentagon facade in the video I linked you to.
Impossible. Sorry.
 
mudlark said:
Which direction was this kinetic energy load allegedly travelling?
Tell me how I´m wrong about the blast hurling heavier debris in one direction and lighter debris in the opposite direction. Physically impossible.
Probst claimed that it ´floated´ about him in that mayhem. That it was airborne.
You know I´m right. I don´t need to be a ´pilot´ to know this basic physical reality. Unless we are talking 9/11 physics...
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Physics? angle of reflection=angle of incidence (basic physics, you should know this since you're the one mentioning physics) explains the debris around the heli pad and why it agrees with the official flight path.

Then a big explosion/fireball (not direcional as you seem to think) goes in all directions.
 
FYI mudlark, "BCR" is John Farmer aka "911files". He "retired" from this forum months ago and had his original account set to "Guest" status. Now he's back, don't ask me how or why.
 
beachnut said:
Sorry, 77 was going 483 KIAS and it was flying a true track course of 61.5 degree for the last few seconds, so your failed NoC is pure nonsense based on delusional rants of idiots at CIT.

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/77flightpathFDR615degrees.jpg[/qimg]
RADAR and all the witnesses verify this flight path if only you had been trained in aircraft accident investigation.
Morons invented the NoC.

The C-130 pilot knows 77 impacted the Pentagon, because the only jet-fuel fireball that day at the Pentagon was from 77. This is funny as you have nothing to refute the jet-fuel fireball, or the damage to the Pentagon that is exactly to the joule that of kinetic energy impact from a 757.

Did you ask the C-130 pilot if he supports your moronic delusion?
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What witnesses?????????????????????????
O´Brien (I can´t believe I have to quote this guy again)

When I saw the initial explosion I was not able to see exactly where or what it had impacted, but remember trying to approximate a position to give to ATC.
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End of story on the C130 pilots confirming ANYTHING as regards ´flight 77 impacting the Pentagon´.

Do you find it hard to believe that a ´jet-fuel fireball´ can be caused by anything other than a ´plane impact´? :rolleyes:
 
Childlike Empress said:
FYI mudlark, "BCR" is John Farmer aka "911files". He "retired" from this forum months ago and had his original account set to "Guest" status. Now he's back, don't ask me how or why.
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Aaaahh...explains a lot. :D

Okay, night folks. Hopefully one of you guys will have the courage to put forward just ONE SOC witness by tomorrow...

Happy New Year CLE :)
 
alexi_drago said:
Physics? angle of reflection=angle of incidence (basic physics, you should know this since you're the one mentioning physics) explains the debris around the heli pad and why it agrees with the official flight path.

Then a big explosion/fireball (not direcional as you seem to think) goes in all directions.
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Oh yeah, the larger debris is forced one way and the smaller fragments that could actually float went the other way AND came down within 5 seconds...that the physics we are talking about?
Okay.
 
mudlark said:
You purposely ignoring posts or repeating til some of the proverbial **** sticks?
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I did not ignore. He said he could not see exactly where it hit. The key is that he did see it go down and 'hit' something. He did not see it fly over and beyond. After it 'hit' something, he did not see it flying around again. From his vantage point at ~3,000 feet agl, he could see very well (nice clear day). I also have 'as it happened' audio for 2 Arlington County police officers on Columbia Pike. The saw it go down and 'hit' something. They did not see it again after that and they were both facing towards the Pentagon.

So here we have a a plane, described 'as it happened' as an American Airlines 757. The 'as it happened' record indicates it 'hit' something, never to be seen again. The radar tells the same story. So, what happened to the plane mudlark?
 
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Childlike Empress said:
FYI mudlark, "BCR" is John Farmer aka "911files". He "retired" from this forum months ago and had his original account set to "Guest" status. Now he's back, don't ask me how or why.
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My NWO handlerer called me up and said if I wanted to keep drawing a paycheck that I needed to get back to work ;)
 
mudlark said:
Hopefully one of you guys will have the courage to put forward just ONE SOC witness by tomorrow...
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No, it's you who needs at least ONE SOC witness. So far we have corroborating testimonies that put the light poles north of citgo (thus the plane hit them and the building) and not one witness who put the light poles SOC.
 
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Hopefully one of you guys will have the courage to put forward just ONE SOC witness by tomorrow...
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"At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring."


Ouch! Penny ever get interviewed by the Douche Twins?
 
mudlark said:
Oh yeah, the larger debris is forced one way and the smaller fragments that could actually float went the other way AND came down within 5 seconds...that the physics we are talking about?
Okay.
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Care to explain where I'm making any errors?
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's your speculation. We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.
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This coming from an individual who selectively ignores parts of the testimony which doesn't agree with bat crap fantasy fly overs
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
No, it's you who needs at least ONE SOC witness. So far we have corroborating testimonies that put the light poles north of citgo (thus the plane hit them and the building) and not one witness who put the light poles SOC.
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I agree. SGT (now LT) Lagasse is a professional law enforcement officer and trained observer. He drives those roads every day and if anyone knows where those light poles are, he does. No, those light poles were downed NoC. The NWO must have put them back up and moved the taxi and downed poles SoC to cover up the fact that the poles were NoC.
 
Childlike Empress said:
You had ample time to explain to us why you deceived the audience about Paik's testimony. You didn't.

Why do you lie about 9/11,
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What are you making up delusions about now?


Paik pointed to the Pentagon from the tower which 77 almost hit, or hit from his perspective. Your support of CIT is so effective, when are you helping them get the Pulitzer. Wait, there is no Pulitzer Prize for moronic delusions.

All the CIT witnesses point the the south flight path; why are CIT liars not able to comprehend direction?


It does not matter what you make up the FDR has 61.2 to 61.5 degree for the last 22 seconds and Paik pointing matches that true track course. The liars are CIT, if you had something you would post it; you post nothing but praise for the presentation of idiotic delusions.
 
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Edward points east, Liar. On the north side of Columbia Pike, Liar.

Attack the argument, not the arguer
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The animated image [above] was taken from the filming of his testimony by CIT. They named this file Edwardpointsnorth.gif, but note that he is NOT pointing North at all. He points parallel to Columbia Pike visible in the background. That is approximately a 0720 heading corresponding along a path EXACTLY to where the next witness observed the aircraft
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Edward points east, Liar. On the north side of Columbia Pike, Liar.
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Paik points to Pentagon direct. Fact, Paik says 77 almost hit the tower behind Paik in the photo, the VDOT tower. This all supports 61.2 to 61.5 degrees found in the hard evidence of the FDR found in the Pentagon after the exact damage made by a kinetic energy impact of a 757. Oops, DNA verifies the impact, and makes CIT dirt dumb liars; are you supporting the delusions of idiots?

Paik points not east but to a flight path of 77; verifies the south flight path, gif titled paik points south, as in to the south flight path verified by RADAR, FDR, witnesses, damage, lampposts, impact damage, DNA, and more. CIT conclusions are false, you like their presentation of lies, that is great.

Paik points south of the NoC, it is a relative thing that CIT fails to realize as they debunk themselves.
 
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Oh and lets not forget SGT Brooks, one of the famous NoC eyewitnesses.

Brooks audio clip

"To be frozen in time like that, and see that plane just literally clip the lamp poles."

Of course he must be talking about the NoC lamp poles...
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
HA! Beat ya beachnut.:p
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My grandkids were running down the hotel hall... the computer stalled...

etc...

Who said Paik was pointing east? They were wrong and liars, Paik was pointing to a path 77 was making, it was 61.2 to 61.5 degree...
 
BCR said:
And his brother says that Edward ducked and covered his head as the plane flew over.
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Exactly, They claim in that video that Edward "deduced" that it hit the tower. His back was to the plane which he admits seconds into the video. His brother says he ducked. Yet the tree fort gang give enormous weight to his scrawled flight paths, neither of which even match! WTF?? Can it be any clearer that they are cherry picking and engaging in logical fallacies?

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#special
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#plausible
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#begging
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#coincidence
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#selective
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#dogged
 
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Keep it civil please. And enough of the sockpuppet accusations.
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mudlark said:
You´ll have to go to their forum and argue your point with him.
I entered this ´debate´ on seeing YOUR link to witnesses who allegedly contradict NOC.
16.5 in the very next post said that there were ´100s of SOC witnesses´
Both posts are false.
Read what I posted. Then I will post the remainder.
NONE contradict NOC between the Navy Annex and the Pentagon lawn. NONE.
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Of course they do silly! Just for an example, I pointed out one witness who clearly was a SOC witness that you rejected because he could not see the plane hitting the Pentagon, which is kind of silly, but it is the CIT mutts, what ya gonna do? And Probst, you entire response seems to be, he wasn't where he claimed to be. Fallacy of "incredully," that is Craig's specialty!

Say, Mud, the mutts interviewed Probst, why won't they release THAT VIDEO? Or the other raw video like they promised?

Anyway, I digress, I am simply going to have to INSIST that you provide the math for the Flight Path. Thanks.
 
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