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Apparently Dave Thomas and others debating Gage, Harrit etc on Coast to Coast?

bill smith said:
What an excellent idea.. They could have requisitioned hundreds of fire extinguishers from the surrounding skyscrapers and easily put those small initial fires out that way usuing chains of firemen to keep the guys at the front supplied and more firemen bringing in a continual supply of new extinguishers.

So between the extinguishers and the river water it seems to be obvious that the fires in WTC7 could have been easily extinguished in the first few hours when there was so little fire as we can convincingly show using the photo and video record.
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That's so gawddamn stupid it makes my head spin.

I feel sick, I need to lie down for a while. :(
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
That's so gawddamn stupid it makes my head spin.

I feel sick, I need to lie down for a while. :(
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Just imagine...Sir Richard Gage and his experts may be reading this as we speak and getting some new ideas for the debate. Just as well that Dave Thomas is getting early warning.

As LBJ might have said ' maybe it's better to have me inside the tent....'
 
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TSR said:
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I got the stundie.
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It's not a stundie,Bill doesn't believe this stuff,he's a troll.Telltale Tom is well ahead in the trolling stakes,as well as being a master parodist.Bill has lost the touch.
 
A suggestion for R.Gage

Yeah....a lego model glued together in two-foot lengths plus a little block for the top and an antenna about two feet long. The whole thing with scaled pictures of the Tower stuck on for realism.A base plate to attach the model to and keep it rock solid and Bob's your uncle.

Throw the modules in a sports bag and it's very easy to transport from venue to venue. Then you could have three or four different top blocks. One showing the 85% of remaining intact columns after the plane strike, another showing what happened when the antenna fell into the building prior to any other movement. Maybe a transparent top block showing the hat truss and it's connections to the core columns and spandrels..

The whole model being 6'6'' in height the damaged area would be nicely at camera and eye level. A model plane made to scale.. All very doable Richard..
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
That's so gawddamn stupid it makes my head spin.

I feel sick, I need to lie down for a while. :(
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Don't be woozy. Don't let the stupid stick. Don't let the odor offend.

Bill doesn't care what he says. He doesn't believe what he says.

It's THEATER.

His own personal amusement.

You see, I was a bit shocked to read Bill's comment that you quoted.

You see, for a long, long time, Bill advocated - with exactly the same sincerity that he exhibits on all issues - that the smoke pouring out of WTC7 was NOT the result of fires.

But rather due to the fact that someone had placed giant smoke machines into WTC7.

So the reality is that, now that he is acknowledging "fires", Bill has made some progress...

... of a totally fake, insincere nature, of course.

The details change. The game does not.
 
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tfk said:
Don't be woozy. Don't let the stupid stick. Don't let the odor offend.

Bill doesn't care what he says. He doesn't believe what he says.

It's THEATER.

His own personal amusement.

You see, I was a bit shocked to read Bill's comment that you quoted.

You see, for a long, long time, Bill advocated - with exactly the same sincerity that he exhibits on all issues - that the smoke pouring out of WTC7 was NOT the result of fires.

But rather due to the fact that someone had placed giant smoke machines into WTC7.

So the reality is that, now that he is acknowledging "fires", Bill has made some progress...

... of a totally fake, insincere nature, of course.

The details change. The game does not.
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Well well . Hello T.

Well you see it struck me that normally where there is heavy fire as was purported to be in WTC7 then there are flames coming out the windows and the only smoke you can see is above the flames. (See video 1)

So in WTC7 on the south side it was smoke from ground to ceiling as a fireman said I believe. But no flames. When the building finally fell there were no great gouts of fire and sparks belching oout of the building as it squashed it's own air out the windows.So I naturally wondered whether there were smoke generators and military smoke-pots in the building

See a possible smoke generator in the South Tower in the first seconds of video 2. Any suggestions what that might be if it's not a smoke-generator ? I think Mick Jagger would know right away.lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41OCQvu7ULQ video 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY video 2

No change t eh ? Still my WB.
 
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bill smith said:
Fess....WTC7 was only a hundred yards from the Hudson river. Your people say that WTC7 burned down because the fires were unfought due to a lack of water.
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100 yards? You're off by several hundred, not even taking into account that there was a rubble pile and other buildings in the way.
 
bill smith said:
Yeah....a lego model glued together in two-foot lengths plus a little block for the top and an antenna about two feet long. The whole thing with scaled pictures of the Tower stuck on for realism.A base plate to attach the model to and keep it rock solid and Bob's your uncle.

Throw the modules in a sports bag and it's very easy to transport from venue to venue. Then you could have three or four different top blocks. One showing the 85% of remaining intact columns after the plane strike, another showing what happened when the antenna fell into the building prior to any other movement. Maybe a transparent top block showing the hat truss and it's connections to the core columns and spandrels..

The whole model being 6'6'' in height the damaged area would be nicely at camera and eye level. A model plane made to scale.. All very doable Richard..
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After you get done with your spagetti then you can play with your legos afterwards.
 
bill smith said:
No change t eh ? Still my WB.
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Just another of the long, long list of delusions that make up "Billy-world"...

I took you off of "ignore" to see how long it'd take you to offer some lame explanation.

26 minutes.

And the explanation? Not "lame". Quadriplegic.

Who's the WB now, bill?
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Troll away for the other folks. My JREF experience is remarkably enhanced by your absence.

Back on "ignore" you go...

C'ya.
 
tfk said:
Just another of the long, long list of delusions that make up "Billy-world"...

I took you off of "ignore" to see how long it'd take you to offer some lame explanation.

26 minutes.

And the explanation? Not "lame". Quadriplegic.

Who's the WB now, bill?
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Troll away for the other folks. My JREF experience is remarkably enhanced by your absence.

Back on "ignore" you go...

C'ya.
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Well then..bon voyage T. The next time you feel the need......l.
 
Rescheduled AGAIN

By the time this debate finally happens, I'll probably have finished a book on 9-11 and CD theories. After considerable wrangling, the Coast-to-Coast AM 9-11 debate will take place on Saturday-Sunday, August 21st-22nd, 11:00 PM MDT - 3:00 AM MDT.

The webmaster at Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truthiness have finally gotten around to pitching the event, so it must be really happening this time.

Gage wanted all sorts of people on his team, and really wanted both Niels H. Harrit and firefighter Erik Lawyer, but the C2C people made him choose only one, which will be Niels Harrit. On my side is physicist and my radio-show cohost Kim Johnson.

Gotta keep plugging away, almost got enough green stamps to get my very own avatar.

Cheers, Dave
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
By the time this debate finally happens, I'll probably have finished a book on 9-11 and CD theories. After considerable wrangling, the Coast-to-Coast AM 9-11 debate will take place on Saturday-Sunday, August 21st-22nd, 11:00 PM MDT - 3:00 AM MDT.

The webmaster at Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truthiness have finally gotten around to pitching the event, so it must be really happening this time.

Gage wanted all sorts of people on his team, and really wanted both Niels H. Harrit and firefighter Erik Lawyer, but the C2C people made him choose only one, which will be Niels Harrit. On my side is physicist and my radio-show cohost Kim Johnson.

Gotta keep plugging away, almost got enough green stamps to get my very own avatar.

Cheers, Dave
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Hmmm... interesting. Having seen that they wanted a firefighter on their team I was wondering if anyone knew of an article that was in "Firehouse" magazine - I believe that's the name - that stated steel-framed buildings are not to be considered impervious to fire (which goes against the claims of the Truthers) and that they could collapse and there shouldn't be complacency around them?

Does anyone know what I am talking about? (I can't find the particular article online).
 
angrysoba said:
Hmmm... interesting. Having seen that they wanted a firefighter on their team I was wondering if anyone knew of an article that was in "Firehouse" magazine - I believe that's the name - that stated steel-framed buildings are not to be considered impervious to fire (which goes against the claims of the Truthers) and that they could collapse and there shouldn't be complacency around them?

Does anyone know what I am talking about? (I can't find the particular article online).
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Maybe it's this one

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/fireengineering_manning.html

Did you know that fire has never cleanly brought down a steel framed hi-rise building ? Not anywhere in the world ,not ever. Did you know that the only way that has been achieved in the past is by explosive controlled demolition ?

But many debunkers jhave told me that there is a first time for everything. referring to the putative fire-driven collapses of the three steel-framed Towers on 9/11. Do you agree with that thinking in this case ?


You should call Firehouse and tell them that while it is well known that steel is not impervious to fire no steel framed hi-rise has ever cleanly collapsed on account of it. I''m surprised that they don't seem to have known.
 
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