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Furthermore, the meaning to the word "context" is based on two words: "connection" and "text", so Non-locality (connector, or memory)\Locality (connected, or text) Linkage is the foundation of "context".

See http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/context :


Perhaps if you actually read the very reference you cited you'd realize how wrong you were. Is it too much to ask that you read your own citations rather than just making stuff up?

Context, from the Latin, contextus.
 
Once again you show that your meaning is context dependent.

Not just my meaning Doron, words take on different meanings in different contexts, but I would not expect you to understand as your own personal meanings and context are all that matter to you.

For example: a particular kind of plant represents ground's fruitfulness, but ground's fruitfulness is not limited to any particular kind of plant.

That’s because “a particular kind of plant” does not “represents ground's fruitfulness” it represents the “fruitfulness” of just that specific plant in that specific ground under certain specific growing condition. A different kind of plant or a different plant of the same kind may not be as ‘fruitful’ in the same ground and even under the same growing conditions.

Your analogies still serve you so poorly, just as your notions do. So I guess they are at least analogues to your notions.

Furthermore, the meaning to the word "context" is based on two words: "connection" and "text",

I know the meaning and origin of the word.

so Non-locality (connector, or memory)\Locality (connected, or text) Linkage is the foundation of "context".

See http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/context :



Doron, we already know that you claim “Non-locality” “\Locality” “Linkage” “is the foundation of” everything so that would include “context”. No need to belabor your fantasy further.



Direct perception is the most basic state of mind, and therefore can't be forced.

The fact that you continue to try to force your “Direct perception” onto others doesn’t even demonstrate that it is your “most basic state of mind”.

On the contrary "bla bla bla ..." reasoning is not the most basic state of mind, and when some context dependent "bla bla bla ..." reasoning is taken as Universality, then we really get a forced reasoning.

Again stop trying to force your “Direct perception” and lack of reasoning onto others.


The sad joke in your case, The Man, is that you even do not understand the universal principle that enables you to use a word like "context".

The sad joke, Doron, is, well, just you and your “Direct perception” context.
 
Furthermore, the meaning to the word "context" is based on two words: "connection" and "text", so Non-locality (connector, or memory)\Locality (connected, or text) Linkage is the foundation of "context".
Doron Doron, do you mean that "local" is synonymous to "without context" and "non-local" is synonymous to "having context," like when you declare local variables in a block? They can't be seen by the main program, and so there is no "context," or something like that. You should explain the meaning of your terms by examples, like what ingredient is local or non-local when you make potato pancakes or anything but that . . . I mean . . . geesus! Stop it, Doron Doron! LOL.
 
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Doron, you type too fast and then you mess up the syntax. Wash your ideas in the spellchecker before serving.

Please show exactly what messed up in

So, "Whet enables me to understand?" is not a fundamental question also in your case.​

which prevents its understanding?
 
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Perhaps if you actually read the very reference you cited you'd realize how wrong you were. Is it too much to ask that you read your own citations rather than just making stuff up?

Context, from the Latin, contextus.

By ignoring the fact that "context" is "weaving together of words, from Latin contextus connection of words" you indeed use this word without understand it.
 
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Doron Doron, do you mean that "local" is synonymous to "without context" and "non-local" is synonymous to "having context," like when you declare local variables in a block? They can't be seen by the main program, and so there is no "context," or something like that. You should explain the meaning of your terms by examples, like what ingredient is local or non-local when you make potato pancakes or anything but that . . . I mean . . . geesus! Stop it, Doron Doron! LOL.
epix, asking questions and then providing the answers, make your questions rhetoric.

Any way my answer is:

"local" is not synonymous to "without context".

"non-local" is not synonymous to "having context".

"context" is synonymous to Non-locality (connection or memory)\Locality (text or words) Linkage.
 
The Man said:
words take on different meanings in different contexts,
Again you get only the text (word) aspect of con-text and ignore the connection aspect of con-text.

By doing that you indeed unable to get Non-locality (connection or memory)\Locality (text or words) Linkage as the universal principle, which enables con-text, in the first place.

The weakness of your "bla bla ..." (words-only) reasoning is clearly seen in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6158689&postcount=10770 , so you have no case, no matter how long is your "bla bla bla ..." (words-only) reasoning.
 
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By ignoring the fact that "context" is "weaving together of words, from Latin contextus connection of words" you indeed use this word without understand it.

You missed the point. You said:
Furthermore, the meaning to the word "context" is based on two words: "connection" and "text", so Non-locality (connector, or memory)\Locality (connected, or text) Linkage is the foundation of "context".

Which was factually incorrect. "Context" does not derive from "connection" and "text", as the link you posted showed. Please have the good grace to admit when you are clearly wrong.
 
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If you do not bring time into the description by claiming something is simultaneous then you do not have to proclaim “in no time”.
Another example of your weak reasoning. In this case you can’t get that simultaneity is possible only in no time.

Under this no time state serial observation simultaneously dealing with no more than one value, for example self comparison.

Also under this no time state parallel observation simultaneously dealing with more than one value, for example non self comparison.
 
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You missed the point. You said:


Which was factually incorrect. "Context" does not derive from "connection" and "text", as the link you posted showed. Please have the good grace to admit when you are clearly wrong.

Really?

Then please explain: "weaving together of words, from Latin contextus connection of words"
 
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For each local person of this thread:

"Whet enables me to understand?" is not a fundamental question of your reasoning.
 
Really?

Then please explain: "weaving together of words, from Latin contextus connection of words"

"Contextus" means "connection of words". It is not derived from "connection" plus "text", though it may derive from the Latin words that mean the same thing.
 
Even if we fix the typo, I have no idea what this statement is supposed to mean.

ETA: What is a local person of this thread?
At least try to answer to this question:

"Whet enables me to understand?"
 
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What the heck is this all about?

Throw some meaning rubbish in a 30 foot high post and laugh at the people who respond?
 
Under this no time state serial observation simultaneously dealing with no more than one value, for example self comparison.
Doron, the perception of time is change-based, where the movement supplies the physical aspect (the earth orbiting the sun, or the movement of electrons). If there is no time, there is no movement, coz there is absence of objects. If there is absence of objects, then there is nothing to observe -- be it a serial glance or not -- and compare. That's why cosmologists say that time started with the Big Ben. ( Localize me not ;) )
 
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Again you get only the text (word) aspect of con-text and ignore the connection aspect of con-text.
Did you mean "con-text" or "cont-ext?" There is a huge difference, coz the latter term is a short for CONTinuous EXTinction (of hyphenated species).
 
epix, asking questions and then providing the answers, make your questions rhetoric.

Any way my answer is:
"context" is synonymous to Non-locality (connection or memory)\Locality (text or words) Linkage.
Finally some lucid explanation from you that I, the simple man, can understand: Potato pancakes can be Non-local or Local depending on how the recipe come by. If you make Non-local potato pancakes, then the recipe comes from your memory -- "connection or memory," as you put it -- whereas the Local potato pancakes are made according to a cookbook -- the "text or words" linkage. Can you confirm my rhetoric; like am I right?
 
Again you get only the text (word) aspect of con-text and ignore the connection aspect of con-text.

By doing that you indeed unable to get Non-locality (connection or memory)\Locality (text or words) Linkage as the universal principle, which enables con-text, in the first place.

The weakness of your "bla bla ..." (words-only) reasoning is clearly seen in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6158689&postcount=10770 , so you have no case, no matter how long is your "bla bla bla ..." (words-only) reasoning.


Again you simply ignore what you quoted to make a clearly erroneous statement and then just proceed to repeat your same nonsense.
 
Another example of your weak reasoning. In this case you can’t get that simultaneity is possible only in no time.


Clearly false as the existence of time in no way precludes simultaneity. However, “no time” does preclude serial observations, as in one observation following another.

Under this no time state serial observation simultaneously dealing with no more than one value, for example self comparison.

Also under this no time state parallel observation simultaneously dealing with more than one value, for example non self comparison.


Again in “no time” everything is simultaneous so your statements simply reduce to..


‘serial observation is dealing with no more than one value, for example self comparison.’

And

‘parallel observation is dealing with more than one value, for example non self comparison.’


Of course your “serial observation” then does not involve any, well, serial observations as it is just a singular “comparison” of “no more than one value”.

However, in your “parallel observation”, as there can be “more than one value”, those values can be related, well, serially. So your “parallel observation” can have a serial aspect to ‘observe’, but your “serial observation” can not.
 
Under this no time state serial observation simultaneously dealing with no more than one value, for example self comparison.
The term "self-comparison" is used in psychology: it describes the comparison of real and imaginary and takes effect in the process of introspection where a person contemplates his or have achievements. Some folks overestimate their abilities and set their career goals accordingly just to face the reality later. The term is not really used outside the domain of psychology for obvious reasons. Forcing in it to live with your scheme just obscures your ideas further.
 
Under this no time state serial observation simultaneously dealing with no more than one value, for example self comparison.

The big moment was around the corner. The Heavens asked Father Carlo Totti to make a justifiable change in the word GOD -- a change that no one in the history of documented religion has ever contemplated. Of course, Father Totti wasn't aware of any intent on the part of the Heavens in this respect; his activity was a part of his investigation of the mysterious burning of the copy of the Venn diagram in the monastery. scroll1, scroll2 . . .

The change from a letter to a number (GOD --> G0D) was particular to the development of a theory that would explain the reason why the paranormal burning took place. Father Totti didn't stand any chance to discover this important tool on his own. Actually his chances were a bit greater than those that the members of the Royal Academy of Sciences could have. Take stuff outside the little box that Homo sapiens nests in and watch how God averts his eyes . . .

But the Heavens can clue the human mind, and so that will be the case with Father Totti. Would he be able to understand the clue?

Very likely so. He has already overcome a strong psychological barrier: His remarkable insight into the link between a text in the Bible and geometry was more than open-minded for a Roman Catholic priest.

Here is the question awaiting Father Totti: Changes of characters that make up a word are very frequent and when they happen, they are unintentional -- they are called "typos." When these changes occur, they are regarded as mistakes. But are there instances where this common explanation has a hole in it? Here is an example:

. . . , THREE, TWO, ONE, ZER0.

Unfortunately, the number of newborn Homo sapiens that will regard the '0' in the word "zero" as a typo and nothing but that is alarmingly increasing, which contributes to higher IQ (Ignorance Quotient) of the human species. The result is that the Heavens must commit more resources to override in order to sustain the technological and cultural progress of Homo sapiens. In other words, it just cost too much money.

It would be nice if the change GOD --> G0D could follow an example of SOMETHING -> N0THING, but the natural opportunity for such an analogy is rather small. But the Heavens were very resourceful in creating other type of environment where the O/0 change would be justifiable.

The change GOD --> G0D may not be justifiable outside the last book of the Bible called "Revelation," but Father Totti had already book-marked a particular chapter and a verse.

To understand the concept of the justification, we will invite a bunch of college students in and administer a couple of tests. That would be helpful to understand what the Heavens cooked up for Father Totti, and that's coming next . . . maybe.
 
No I didn't. It was so rife with errors I hoped you wouldn't refer back to it. But since you asked ....

No. By OM one knows what enables him to get something as the basis of any definition.
So because of OM I know what enables me to get something as the basis of any definition? Oh noes!!!! How were millions of people for tens of thousands of years able to get something as the basis of any definition? Easy. It's a combination of brains and comprehension.

People knew what the effect of gravity was before we named it. Just because we named it, doesn't make it more or less different that what it was before we named it.

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Let us take for example The Man's claim that (A ~= ~A) = (A = A).

By using The Man's reasoning-by-definition, we say:

"(A ~= ~A) if and only if (A = A)"

or

"(A = A) if and only if (A ~= ~A)"

No, that is not what "we" say, that is what you claim. "If and only if" does not mean "equals". A triangle is defined as a right triangle if and only if one of its angles is 90 degrees. Two plus two if and only if four?

The Man looking only on A and ignores ~, = and ~=
If The Man is only looking at A, why does he even include ~, =, and ~=?

As a result he totally misses this fact:

A = T

~A = ~T = F

(we can use A = F ; ~A = ~F = T, but it does not matter)

Perhaps you totally miss the fact that, according to your post and substituting the values that you provide, The Man's "formula" does work.
  • (A ~= ~A) = (A = A) : starting statement
  • (T ~= F) = (T = T) : substitute A with T, ~A with F
  • (T) = (T) : reducing "formula" using logical comparisons
  • T : reducing "formula" using logical comparisons
My understanding is that A is a set and we are seeing if a particular element ("Green") fits into set A's definition ("a prime number between 5 and 11")

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T = T or F = F are ture self referential comparisons, where T ≠ F is a true non self referential comparison.

(we can use also false self referential comparisons like T ≠ T , F ≠ F or false non self referential comparison like T = F:

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, but it does not matter)
If it doesn't matter, why do you bring it up? Does the price of tea in China matter to your topic? Oh, the whole self referential comparison has already been "invented". It's called the Reflexive Property. X=X. Once again, you use too many words.


By using his "bla bla bla ..." reasoning, The Man simply can't get this Direct perception fact.
What "fact"?

Once again you show that your meaning is context dependent.

For example: a particular kind of plant represents ground's fruitfulness, but ground's fruitfulness is not limited to any particular kind of plant.
Please tell me what the "particular kind of plant represents ground's fruitfulness" is. How does a plant represent "ground's fruitfulness"?

I can take a sample of the soil to determine if I can grow the plants that I want there. I can look at the soil and say, "There's a nice clay bottom that won't let tree roots develop past 3 feet. This isn't the best place for redwoods." Moss will grow well in the forest, but not so well in the desert. Perhaps you have heard of drought resistant plants? They're plants that use less water than other plants. They can live side by side with other "thirsty" plants. There are plants, like the Rhododendron that thrive in acidic soil where other alkaloid plants will die in.

Furthermore, the meaning to the word "context" is based on two words: "connection" and "text", so Non-locality (connector, or memory)\Locality (connected, or text) Linkage is the foundation of "context".

See http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/context :
Your error of "connection" and "text" has already been pointed out.

So if we combine two words and their meanings to get a new word with a close meaning, what will happen when I combine doofus and moron with their meanings, what will be the new word and definition?

 
Clearly false as the existence of time in no way precludes simultaneity. However, “no time” does preclude serial observations, as in one observation following another.




Again in “no time” everything is simultaneous so your statements simply reduce to..


‘serial observation is dealing with no more than one value, for example self comparison.’

And

‘parallel observation is dealing with more than one value, for example non self comparison.’


Of course your “serial observation” then does not involve any, well, serial observations as it is just a singular “comparison” of “no more than one value”.

However, in your “parallel observation”, as there can be “more than one value”, those values can be related, well, serially. So your “parallel observation” can have a serial aspect to ‘observe’, but your “serial observation” can not.

In other words, under no time condition you miss the difference between singular comparison as the building-block of serial observation (which is local), and non-singular comparison as the building-block of parallel observation (which is non-local).

The property of the building-block of serial observation is clearly the one and only basis of your reasoning, because you get only A=A (singular comparison) and ignore the building-block of non-serial observation, which is represented as A ~= ~A (non-singular comparison).

Your misunderstanding of the difference between the building-blocks is clearly exposed in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6158689&postcount=10770 , and demonstrates the weakness of your reasoning.
 
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Your error of "connection" and "text" has already been pointed out.
Where?

It's a combination of brains and comprehension.

Call it whatever you like, still any combination is the ability to distinguish between self-referential comparison like A=A and non self-referential comparison like A ~= ~A.

Just try to avoid the difference between A=A and A ~= ~A and you don't have the minimal conditions to survive as a complex system, whether the complexity is physical or moral.

For example: By reducing A ~= ~A to A = A complex system rabbit=A cannot distinguish between itself and complex system fox=~A.

As a result ~A eats A, and A does no have of springs.

Little 10 Toes, you are here to air your view exactly because you are the result of complex systems that distinguish between A=A and A ~= ~A.

Furthermore, by the reasoning that reduces A ~= ~A to A = A no morality exists, because A forces ~A to be A by passivity (ignoring ~A) or activity (eliminating ~A).

The rest of your reply is based on reducing A ~= ~A to A = A.
 
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The term is not really used outside the domain of psychology for obvious reasons.

In other words, your reasoning is a collection of disjoint domains.

OM's reasoning is the result of the linkage among connectivity and isolation, which is resulted by a complex domain that is not totally connected and not totally isolated.

Actually, if you carefully research the fundamental condition of any axiomatic framework, you find that mutuality (connectivity)\independency (isolation) linkage plays the main role. Just try to avoid it and you do not get the minimal condition to compare between axioms in order to realize if they do not contradict each other (which is the fundamental condition for consistent framework, whether it is formal or not).
 
What the heck is this all about?

Throw some meaning rubbish in a 30 foot high post and laugh at the people who respond?
Welcome AliDimayev, please do not start by rhetoric questions ("meaning rubbish" …?)

You actually determine your view about this thread right at the beginning, and by this attitude it is very hard to move further.
 
"Contextus" means "connection of words".

The "con" part of the word "context" is derived form the word "connection", and "text" is derived from "words" ( "text" = "textus" = "words" in Latin), which are "a coherent set of symbols that transmits some kind of informative message" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_(literary_theory)).

Any set is derived from connectivity among symbols.

In other words, you are worng, "context" is indeed a connection among text.
 
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So after demolishing your whole post, you pick one sentence to quote. Let's demolish this post too!

Call it whatever you like, still any combination is the ability to distinguish between self-referential comparison like A=A and non self-referential comparison like A ~= ~A.
It, OM, is now the ability blahblahblah. If it is, why have you wasted over 10,000 posts to tell us? Why, I only remember a few post ago that you claimed OM
one knows what enables him to get something as the basis of any definition.

Just try to avoid the difference between A=A and A ~= ~A and you don't have the minimal conditions to survive as a complex system, whether the complexity is physical or moral.
Define complex system. There is no difference between the two logical statements since they both logically equal True, just like 2+2 has the same result as 3+1 and 4+0

For example: By reducing A ~= ~A to A = A complex system rabbit=A cannot distinguish between itself and complex system fox=~A.
Please show that a fox and a rabbit can do logical statements. If a rabbit is A then Godzilla is ~A, along with everything else you can think of.

As a result ~A eats A, and A does no have of springs.
A rabbit does not have springs unless it's a wascally wabbit. But wait, if a carrot cannot distinguish itself from a rabbit, does a rabbit eat it? No, since according to your logic, the carrot eats the rabbit. Why? The rabbit is A and you just said ~A eats A.

Little 10 Toes, you are here to air your view exactly because you are the result of complex systems that distinguish between A=A and A ~= ~A.
Nope. Mom and Dad had sex. That's why I am here. Why I'm here on this forum is that sinsanity2006 believed that machines can be alive. I responded to this thread back at post 899, showing you that your definitions were wrong.

Furthermore, by the reasoning that reduces A ~= ~A to A = A no morality exists, because A forces ~A to be A by passivity (ignoring ~A) or activity (eliminating ~A).
There is no morality in math. Counting the dead, whether it be humans, bugs, or flowers, is no different then counting newborns, gold ingots, or concepts that you try to force people to accept as true. For example
"If a proper subset B of set A can be |B| = |A| in addition to |B| < |A|, then A is a non-finite set."

The rest of your reply is based on reducing A ~= ~A to A = A.
No it's not. I replied to you trying to force an origin/definition on context.
 
There is no difference between the two logical statements since they both logically equal True, just like 2+2 has the same result as 3+1 and 4+0
Another demonstration of how you get things only locally, by ignoring, for example, "+" that represents the non-local aspect of "2+2", "3+1" etc… expressions.


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Mom and Dad had sex.
And they succeed to do it because Mon knows the difference between herself and Dad, and Dad knows the difference between himself and Mam.


Your local-only reasoning does not work.

Please show that a fox and a rabbit can do logical statements
They do better, they are using the logical reasoning of survival, which is not limited to "bla bla bla ...".

There is no morality in math.
Again a reasoning of disjoint domains is used.
 
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Another demonstration of how you get things only locally, by ignoring, for example, "+" that represents the non-local aspect of "2+2", "3+1" etc… expressions.

So define local and non-local clearly. You still haven't done it.

And the succeed to do it because Mon knows the difference between herself and Dad, and Dad knows the difference between himself and Mam.
This statement does not translate into understandable English. Try again.

Your local-only reasoning does not work.
Well, it's been working fine for the rest of the world (and you) for thousands of years.
 
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They do better, they are using the logical reasoning of survival, which does not depent on "bla bla bla ...".


Again a reasoning of disjoint domains is used.

Ok, your claims.

Show proof of a "logical reasoning of survival". Please define, in this example, what "bla bla bla" is.

Which disjoint domains are used? Show how mathematics are moral.
 
Well, it's been working fine for the rest of the world (and you) for thousands of years.
It's been working fine for the rest of the world (and you) for billons of years, exactly because non-locality and locality are used even if non-locality is not explicitly expressed by the local-only "bla bla bla …" reasoning.

You simply do not get Direct perception as the real basis of Logic.
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