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So you decided to sodomize the "not equal to" symbol to symbolize the existence of things "beyond" certain location.

This is a simple fact that the distinct and local 0(x) or 0(y) have ≠ between them upon inifinitely many given scales, where this fact is notated as 1(0(x)≠0(y)).

I see that you still can't grasp the fact that 0(x) ≤ 0(1), such that x is both ≤ 1, is RAA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum ).
 
Do you know that any arbitrary R member is 0(), and no amount of 0() is 1()?
And do you know the secret that the set of positive integers is a subset of R?

Let number 6, notated as 0() by you, be the arbitrary member of R. The "proof" that "no amount of sixes" is 1() -- which is a one-dimensional object by your definition, such as a line segment, "...is a line segment" is below.

666666666666666666...

The proof is based on the manifestation of deep madness. LOL.

If you had said "no amount of ordered 0()s is 1(), the outcome would have been different, maybe less crazy I guess, but you had not.

If Adolf had your symbolism available back then, not even one intercepted message would get decoded by the Allies.
 
And do you know the secret that the set of positive integers is a subset of R?

Let number 6, notated as 0() by you, be the arbitrary member of R. The "proof" that "no amount of sixes" is 1() -- which is a one-dimensional object by your definition, such as a line segment, "...is a line segment" is below.

666666666666666666...

The proof is based on the manifestation of deep madness. LOL.

If you had said "no amount of ordered 0()s is 1(), the outcome would have been different, maybe less crazy I guess, but you had not.

If Adolf had your symbolism available back then, not even one intercepted message would get decoded by the Allies.

You still can't get 666666666666666666... and you also have missed http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6432988&postcount=11988.
 
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Even though I included the link that could explain to you what a ≤ x ≤ b means in the language that math speaks with, you ignored it. Due to your total math illiteracy, you continue to hold the expression absurd.

So once again . . .
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ClosedInterval.html
The language that math speaks about a ≤ x ≤ b is based on collection of 0(), end exactly because a, x or b are no more than 0(), thay can't be 1(), which exists simultaneously at AND beyond the location of any given 0().

This fact is notated exactly by ≠ of 1(0(a)≠0(x)≠0(b)) expression or by 1(0(x)≠0(y)) expression, as well.
 
Still stuck on trying to enumerate all the points on a line? You. Don't. Need. To. Do. That. They are just there, you don't have to account for all of them.
You still stuck under the wrong notion that a collection of distinct 0() is 1(). This collection is just there without using enumeration, and yet it is not 1().

You simply can't grasp 1(0(x)≠0(y)) expression upon infinitely many scales, which has nothing to do with any kind of enumeration.
 
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The language that math speaks about a ≤ x ≤ b is based on collection of 0(), end exactly because a, x or b are no more than 0(), thay can't be 1(), which exists simultaneously at AND beyond the location of any given 0().

This fact is notated exactly by ≠ of 1(0(a)≠0(x)≠0(b)) expression or by 1(0(x)≠0(y)) expression, as well.


Your enunciation and the strange symbolism are the major ingredients in the recipe for the bowl of goulash you've been trying to serve.

No one claims that 0() is 1(), as no one claims that 0=1. If you organize the members of the set of real numbers in the ascending order, the result resembles a line. You claim that there are gaps in that set (collection), but you can't show that there is an interval [a,b] for which there is no real number xi.

Let xi be a real number -- a member of an ordered interval. What is the next real number?
Obviously, it is xi+1. But you claim that there are cases where xi has a successor xi+2. I suggested to you to hit the ordered set of positive integers and find the gaps in there, before trying to demolish R.

Let's see if you can get beyond shuffling 0()s and 1()s around: What is the immediate successor of √2? If the immediate successor is t, how do you find out that there should be a real number s right between √2 and t? This is the same as spotting a gap in 1,2,3_5,6... You can spot the gap only when you know how the missing number looks like, and if you know that, then the number exists. There is no way that there is any gap there, coz if i say let A be the set of positive integers, then I mean a set with no gaps. If I meant otherwise, I would included the provision in the definition.

So, what is the immediate successor of √2?
 
If you organize the members of the set of real numbers in the ascending order, the result resembles a line.

You are wrong.

The members of R set are 0(), and their distinct values can't be given without 1(), such that 1(0(x)≠0(y)), where 1() is exactly ≠ between distinct 0(x)≠0(y).


What is the immediate successor of √2?

It does not have an immediate successor exactly because no amount of distinct 0() is 1().

You still do not get the notion of infinite interpolation of distinct 0() along 1(0(x)≠0(y)), where x and y are distinct (x≠y) and order has no significance.

Your enunciation and the strange symbolism
It is strange because you don't get the notion of this notation.
 
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The language that math speaks about a ≤ x ≤ b is based on collection of 0(), end exactly because a, x or b are no more than 0(), thay can't be 1(), which exists simultaneously at AND beyond the location of any given 0().
No, Doron. Numbers are not zero-dimensional objects; they are not points. We use numbers to locate points, that's all. There is a correspondence between numbers and points, though, but I'm not the one who will attempt the foolish feat of explaining.

Note the difference between F0()=0()LISH and FO=OLISH. Since O equals O, and O is the 15th letter of the alphabet, then 15=15 and so it's up to the "King Solomon" to right your mind.

I have written you quite boldly on some points, as if to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me.
Romans 15:15
http://www.jstor.org/pss/40248000

Religion & Philosophy
is like a car race and a trophy
first came Car and then came Race
as first comes God and then his Grace

(His Uttermost Omniscience God the Lord, Ph.D. shall try to explain regarding points. Well, let's hope for a miracle. :D)
 
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Ok, I'll admit it: Real life has distracted me from doronetics.

Can some one, please, explain what Doron means by his latest notational gibberish, 0() and 1()? I assume it has something to do with points and lines (Doron gets hung up on points and lines), but it isn't clear what it has to do with them. And it gets worse when Doron treats 0() and 1() as functions of boolean arguments.
 
Ok, I'll admit it: Real life has distracted me from doronetics.

Can some one, please, explain what Doron means by his latest notational gibberish, 0() and 1()? I assume it has something to do with points and lines (Doron gets hung up on points and lines), but it isn't clear what it has to do with them. And it gets worse when Doron treats 0() and 1() as functions of boolean arguments.
God has taken a couple of days off, and so no one really knows what Doron means. But a guess could do as an interim: The 0() and 1() expressions are indigenous to Doronetics, coz parenthesis were invented to enclose characters -- characters such as 0 and 1. Since Doron's ideas are all of the novel kind, he puts the characters outside the parenthesis. There is a guess that says that () stands for an object and the prefix number translate the whole expression as 0() = "a zero-dimensional object" and 1() = " a one-dimensional object". The objects are presumably the point and the line.

There are instances where a lower-case letters have been spotted inside the parenthesis, such as 0(x). That expression probably reads zero-dimensional object x or point x. So a point in general is denoted as 0() and a particular point as 0(x). I haven't seen the line version yet for the particular case.
 
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Ok, I'll admit it: Real life has distracted me from doronetics.

Can some one, please, explain what Doron means by his latest notational gibberish, 0() and 1()? I assume it has something to do with points and lines (Doron gets hung up on points and lines), but it isn't clear what it has to do with them. And it gets worse when Doron treats 0() and 1() as functions of boolean arguments.

0() is for strict relation.

1() is for non-strict relation.

Strict relation or non-strict relation are not necessarily understood as points or lines.


For example:

Given A ~A domains, 0() is A XOR ~A, where 1() is A NXOR ~A

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No, Doron. Numbers are not zero-dimensional objects; they are not points. We use numbers to locate points,

In the case of R set, 0() is the minimal possible location along 1(), and no amount of 0() locations is 1(), because 1() is at AND beyond any given distinct 0() along it.

We use numbers to locate points
No, we use numbers whether thay are strict or non-strict, for example:

0() or 1() are strict numbers, where 0.999...[base 10]() is a non-strict number, such that no amount of the strict numbers
0()+0.9()+0.09()+0.009()+ ... is the strict number 1().

Also 1() or 2() are strict numbers, where 1.999...[base 10]() is a non-strict number, such that no amount of the strict numbers
1()+0.9()+0.09()+0.009()+ ... is the strict number 2().

...

etc. ... ad infinitum ...

Also be aware of the fact that, for example, 0.9(0(0.9)), where 0(0.9) is a strict location along 0.9(), and no amount of distinct 0() is 0.9().
 
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Ok, I'll admit it: Real life has distracted me from doronetics.

Can some one, please, explain what Doron means by his latest notational gibberish, 0() and 1()? I assume it has something to do with points and lines (Doron gets hung up on points and lines), but it isn't clear what it has to do with them. And it gets worse when Doron treats 0() and 1() as functions of boolean arguments.

If you came across my attempt to decode that particular symbolism, then be advised to null and void it, coz Doron committed the defining here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6444698&postcount=12016

According to his words, 0() and 1() stands for strict relation and non-strict relation respectively. So, the expression 1(0(x)≠0(y)) that he used quite recently means that the strict relation involving x is not identical to the strict relation involving y, and that is all happening in the non-strict relation 1(). He used that expression to show that 5/2, for example, doesn't have a real result. See, Doron keeps denying the existence of the linear continuum, and one of the consequences is that there exist non negative real numbers a and b with b≠0 where a/b doesn't have a real result. He can't provide an example of such two real numbers, though. Instead, he uses the strict and the non-strict arguments to show that such numbers do exist.
 
0() or 1() are strict numbers, where 0.999...[base 10]() is a non-strict number, such that no amount of the strict numbers
0()+0.9()+0.09()+0.009()+ ... is the strict number 1().

I thought that 0() stands for "strict relation" and 1() for "non-strict relation." That's how you defined the symbolism:

0() is for strict relation.

1() is for non-strict relation.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6444698&postcount=12016

Now you say that 0() and 1() are BOTH STRICT NUMBERS.
What happened to the strict and non-strict difference between 0() and 1() and how come that the word "number" suddenly replaced the original defining word "relation?"

Don't sweat it out to explain or you lose control over your gibberish for good.

But there is a tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I have an impression from your scribble that you don't agree with the idea that "0.999999..." actually equals 1. Am I right or not?
 
Now you say that 0() and 1() are BOTH STRICT NUMBERS.

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0() or 1() are strict, where, for example, 0.999...[base 10]() is non-strict.

You still do not get X() as a measurement unite of existence, which can be strict or non-strict.

The same holds for some location w.r.t a given existence, for example:

0.999...[base 10](0(1)) means that there is a strict location 0(1) along the non-strict existence 0.999...[base 10]().

If 1() is considered w.r.t some given 0() along it in terms of location, then the location of 1() w.r.t 0() is non-strict, such that 1(0()).

Please do not mix between 1() as a strict number in terms of existence and 0(1) as a strict number in terms of location
under 1(0(1)), where 1() does not have a strict relation (in terms of location) w.r.t 0(1) and 0(1) has a strict relation (in terms of location) w.r.t 1().

But there is a tiny light at the end of the tunnel. I have an impression from your scribble that you don't agree with the idea that "0.999999..." actually equals 1. Am I right or not?

1(0.999...[base 10](0()))

You also have missed the logical aspect of 0(),1() as seen in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6444698&postcount=12016.
 
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Let us carefully look at the general form X(x).

X is the measurement of existence and x is the name of X under X', such that X'>X, where x is strict if X=0().

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He can't provide an example of such two real numbers, though. Instead, he uses the strict and the non-strict arguments to show that such numbers do exist.

R set is the form 1(0(x)), such that x is strict (for example: x can be Pi, but it can't be 3.14…[base 10]).

Please do not mix between x and X because, for example, Pi(3.14…[base 10]()) or 1(0(Pi)) are valid, where 1(0(3.14…[base 10])) is invalid.

Non-strict x are defined under X>0.
 
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It does not have an immediate successor exactly because no amount of distinct 0() is 1().
The reason why √2 doesn't have an "immediate" successor is that the line that models the set of real numbers is a collection of points whose number approaches infinity and there is no segment on that line that cannot correspond to a real number. This can be proven without inventing a strange symbolism, like 0() and 1().

Let s be the immediate successor of √2. In that case √2 < s with the consequnce of |√2 - s| > 0. That means |√2 - s| = m, where m is the length of a line segment. Since the length of a line segment can be divided by any positive real number except zero, it follows that

|√2 - s|/d = r

where d is any positive real number greater than 1. The consequence of such a division is

r < s

and therefore s cannot be the immediate successor to √2.

A proof by a contradiction such as that one was invented by the same species who also invented various pagan gods. That's why you try to invent other ways to proof stuff, so you would feel more "advanced."
 
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A proof by a contradiction such as that one was invented by the same species who also invented various pagan gods. That's why you try to invent other ways to proof stuff, so you would feel more "advanced."
It is more advanced, because it discovers the fact that 1() is not a collection of 0(), where the proof by contradiction stays at the level of collection of 0().
 
It is more advanced, because it discovers the fact that 1() is not a collection of 0(), where the proof by contradiction stays at the level of collection of 0().


No, it's not advanced, coz it states among other things that a straight line cannot be fully covered by points. That means there exists a line segment A_____B on that line where there are no points between A and B. But since (B - A) > 0, the line segment has length m where m>0. There are many special points, and one of them is called "the mean," or the average. In this particular case, the average of A and B is

Pmean = m/2

A_____P_____B

Any line segment must have such a point. So, your claim that there exists a line segment A__B with no points between A and B amounts to a statement that a/b where b≠0 doesn't have a solution. In other words, 6/2, for example, has indeterminable result -- the fraction does not equal 3. That, of course, doesn't apply in those happy moments when you cut salami to feed your face. LOL.


What? You don't cut salami? How come?

:jaw-dropp

Wow!
 
No, it's not advanced, coz it states among other things that a straight line cannot be fully covered by points. That means there exists a line segment A_____B on that line where there are no points between A and B. But since (B - A) > 0, the line segment has length m where m>0. There are many special points, and one of them is called "the mean," or the average. In this particular case, the average of A and B is

Pmean = m/2

A_____P_____B

Any line segment must have such a point. So, your claim that there exists a line segment A__B with no points between A and B amounts to a statement that a/b where b≠0 doesn't have a solution. In other words, 6/2, for example, has indeterminable result -- the fraction does not equal 3. That, of course, doesn't apply in those happy moments when you cut salami to feed your face. LOL.


What? You don't cut salami? How come?

:jaw-dropp

Wow!

Under complex 1(0()) 0() is the minimal existing space of strict Locality, where 1() is the minimal existing space of strict Non-locality.

you can cut salami to infinitely many slides, which does not change the fact that 1(0(x)≠0(y)), such that ≠ is 1() at AND beyond 0(x) OR 0(y) upon infinitely many "cutting" levels.

Again, your notion is limited to the concept of collection of 0(), without understanding 1() as an existence that is at AND beyond 0(), as expressed by 1(0()).
 
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epix said:
So, your claim that there exists a line segment A__B with no points between A and B amounts to a statement that a/b where b≠0 doesn't have a solution.
There are strict or non-strict solutions, for example:

Under 1(0.999...[base 10]()), 1()-0.999...[base 10]() = 0.000...1[base 10](), where 0.000...1[base 10]() is a non-strict solution,
and 0.999...[base 10]()+0.000...1[base 10]() = 1(), where 1() is a strict solution.
 
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"≠" is exactly the non-local property of 1() w.r.t any 0(x),0(y), such that 1(0(x)≠0(y)).

Still does not make it a location on a line, let alone a location(s) on a line that is not or can not be covered by point(s)


How about you first learn things beyond your 0() only reasoning?

Again, stop simply trying to posit aspects of your own failed reasoning onto others.
 
There are strict or non-strict solutions, for example:

Under 1(0.999...[base 10]()), 1()-0.999...[base 10]() = 0.000...1[base 10](), where 0.000...1[base 10]() is a non-strict solution,
and 0.999...[base 10]()+0.000...1[base 10]() = 1(), where 1() is a strict solution.
Why do you include the number base in there? :confused:

Even without it, there is a strong impression that subtraction yields "non-strict solutions," and addition yields "strict solutions," which not what you intended.

You don't relate the operands well: the expression "0.999..." implies a number where the decimal digits repeat infinitely, whereas the result "0.000...1" implies a very small but finite number. So the subtraction 1 - 0.999... = 0.000...1 is not a good rendition of the idea of non-strictness.

The "obsolete" math uses this syntax:

1 - (1 - 1/10n) where n → ∞.

The result is then

1 - (1 - 1/10n) = 1 - 1 + 1/10n = 1/10n where n → ∞

and there is no doubt about what is meant.
 
Ok, let us continue to develop OM.

The following diagram demonstrates the notion of nested levels of existence among Non-Locality\Locality Linkage, where the tangent line between each pair of quarter circles represents the Non-locality of a given nested level, and 0() represents the "depth" of Locality w.r.t to Non-Locality, for any given nested level:

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This model can be used to understand better the differences between microscopic and macroscopic non-rotating black holes.
 
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whereas the result "0.000...1" implies a very small but finite number.

Wrong.

0.000...1 is an example of non-strict (infinitely smaller AND > 0) number.

You still miss the notion of infinite interpolation.
 
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Ok, let us continue to develop OM.

The following diagram demonstrates the notion of nested levels of existence among Non-Locality\Locality Linkage, where the tangent line between each pair of quarter circles represents The Non-locality of a given nested level, and 0() represents the "depth" of Locality w.r.t to Non-Locality, for any given nested level:

[qimg]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/5089991451_9b8ccd7ee1_z.jpg[/qimg]

This model can be used to understand better the differences between microscopic or macroscopic black holes.

You can make up as much nonsensical gibberish, drawings and notations as you want Doron, but until you make you "OM" both self-consistent and generally consistent you haven't even started to "develop OM".

We are still waiting for you to identify any locations on a line that are not or can not be covered by points.
 
Still does not make it a location on a line,

Location along 1() is exactly 0().

Since you get 1() only in terms of 0(), your 0()-only reasoning can't comprehend the fact that 1() is at AND beyond any given 0() along 1().

As a result you do not understand the non-local property of ≠ w.r.t any given pair of 0() localities.
 
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You can make up as much nonsensical gibberish, drawings and notations as you want Doron, but until you make you "OM" both self-consistent and generally consistent you haven't even started to "develop OM".

We are still waiting for you to identify any locations on a line that are not or can not be covered by points.

I am not with you in your 0()-only game.

Actually I do not care anymore about your 0()-only replies.
 
Location a long 1() is exactly 0().

"≠" still isn't a location.

Are you claiming that any location “a long 1() is exactly” a point?

Since you get 1() only in terms of 0(), your 0()-only reasoning can't comprehend the fact that 1() is at AND beyond ant given 0() along 1().

Again, stop simply trying to posit aspects of your own failed reasoning onto others.

Oh and evidently you simply can’t understand that a line segment is specifically not “beyond” its given end points and in the case of segment represented by an interval like (1,2) the line segment isn’t even “at” those two points.


As a result you do not understand the non-local property of ≠ w.r.t any given pair of 0() localities.

You still simply don’t understand that "≠" still isn't a location and “As a result” your “non-local property of ≠ w.r.t any given pair of 0() localities.” is still simply just nonsense.
 
Wrong.

0.000...1 is an example of non-strict (infinitely smaller AND > 0) number.
So why did you use 1 - 0.999... instead of 1 - 0.999...9?

I think that the old-fashioned expression 10-n (n → ∞) is superior in clarity to your version 0.000...1.
 
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