Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Well, it seems like we have the next thing to keep the birthers occupied for the coming months.

“Hate to bring this up, but I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. According to the web site the name didn’t change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn’t created until 1978?”
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KDLarsen said:
Well, it seems like we have the next thing to keep the birthers occupied for the coming months.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1463012/pg1
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1890 Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital founded by Queen Kapiolani and was intended to "propagate and perpetuate the race." The Hawaiian population had fallen from highs of 300,000 in 1778 to 73,138 in 1853....
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from:

http://mla09.wetpaint.com/page/From+1866+to+Statehood

but maybe that's a CIA website...
 
This just in;

Birthers are idiots.


Here are the two scenario's I imagine will come from the release of the long form.

1. Birther satisfied with the release of the long form and will abandon their birtherism with some questions (why'd it take so long, blah, blah, blah).

2. Birthers not satisfied with the release and claim it's a fake (with no proof) or complain the long form is labeled "certificate of Live Birth" and STILL not a satisfactory as a birth certificate. Birthers move the goal post further demanding previously unmentioned information (where are the foot prints?!).


I'm glad they decided to release it to shut up the birthers but I don't expect this to make a huge dent in the movement as it heavily involves incredulity. Unfortunately I feel birthers in scenario #1 will be in the minority. But they have absolutely no firm ground to stand on... Will be interesting to see where the issue goes from here. :popcorn1
 
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An interesting analysis on the whole issue, the key graph is below.

http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2011/04/27/thankfully-andrew-sullivan-is-not-a-lawyer/

“Quite literally, in order to release this document, the President had to ask to be treated as being above the law, even if it is a relatively trivial law in the grand scheme of things. Quite understandably, the State of Hawaii decided that this was a wise idea. That so many are prepared to insist that the President had an obligation to ask that he be treated as above the law from a very early date is far more troubling. “

That is exactly it. BAC et al were willing -- for the sake of their craziness – to elevate the President above the law. Nice. Thanks. Just what America needs, more Presidents who are above the law.
 
dvictr said:
I find it outrageous that supposedly a 25 year old black man impregnated a 17 year old white girl, how was that legal in 1961? is it even legal in 2011??
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Yeah, that was never done prior to Obama's parents. Outrageous indeed.

:rolleyes:


Sabrina said:
So I see that thus far, dvictr is living up (or down, depending on your perspective) to the notion that even if the long form were provided, the birthers would immediately scream "it's a fake!" How about you, BaC? randman? What do you think of this development? This form would appear to answer all your demands... are you satisfied now? Or will you move the goalposts yet again?
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I'd love to hear JudeBrando's answer to this as well.


headscratcher4 said:
Here's the question to the birthers: Now that Obama has requested and Hawaii has acceeded to his request -- as an "exception" to the state law, aren't you worried about an over-extenstion of Presidential power? If, at the President's request, Hawaii can make an exception in this case, why not other cases? What if the President makes a special request for, say, your information? Your state tax records? Your sealed juvinle criminal records?

If the President now "requests" what stops the states from acceeding to that request?

Now that you've got a precidence for State's "making and exception" based on the President's request, how do you go back to where the President is just like any other citizen?

Your glee at thinking your right here should be tempered by honest concern at increasing imperial like presidential powers. The bed you've helped make is one that we will all have to lie in, where Presidents are no longer mere citizens and only citizens, but where Presidents are, increasingly, King-like. George Bush and his signing statements, now Obama and his special request that states make "exceptions" to their laws to accomodate him politically.

Shame on you all.
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Great point.

timhau said:
Are you now convinced that Obama is a natural-born US citizen and eligible for presidency?
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"Paging Mr. Brando, Mr. JudeBrando, white courtesy phone please."

headscratcher4 said:
An interesting analysis on the whole issue, the key graph is below.

http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2011/04/27/thankfully-andrew-sullivan-is-not-a-lawyer/

“Quite literally, in order to release this document, the President had to ask to be treated as being above the law, even if it is a relatively trivial law in the grand scheme of things. Quite understandably, the State of Hawaii decided that this was a wise idea. That so many are prepared to insist that the President had an obligation to ask that he be treated as above the law from a very early date is far more troubling. “

That is exactly it. BAC et al were willing -- for the sake of their craziness – to elevate the President above the law. Nice. Thanks. Just what America needs, more Presidents who are above the law.
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Another great point.
 
randman said:
So just as I and others stated, he could have released this but waited.

On whether someone born of a father from a different nation meets the Constitutional requirements, I have previously stated I don't think they do, but that would have to be settled by the courts and should have been before he became president.

But the weight of evidence now supports he was born in Hawaii.
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Even if his father was born in Kenya, and his mother was a US Citizen, he was still born in HAWAII!! And according to the 14th ammendment of the US Constitution, he is a citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/14th_Amendment_Pg1of2_AC.jpg

Here is the 14th Ammendment.
 
Arus808 said:
2) We have a state that is inundated with 1000's of phone calls to the DOH that requests information about his COLB, and more than likey so tired of the BS surrounding it, just caved in and provided it to him after the legal request was made.

in a time when Hawaii is seeing one of its worst budget crisis in years, where state works are forced to take furlough days so the state will not go broke, and workers still have to field questions for 3 years about Obama's birth certificate, enough comes enough. That legal request by his lawyers, is more than enough of a request to give them permission to send him a copy of his long form.
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Just to reiterate the point above, and it seems that it was the Director's decision because of the issues above:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf
"We hope that issuing you these copies of your Original Certificate of Live Birth will end the numerous inquiries received by the Hawaii Department of Health to produce this document. Such inquiries have been disruptive to staff operations and have strained State resources."
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The Hawaii DoH Was simply just tired of the bull.

thank you birthers for making my home state work so damn hard, wasting tax payer money as you chase bigfoot, aliens and the tooth fairy.
 
twinstead said:
most birthers wouldn't change their minds if they were somehow transported back in time to 1961 and were there in the delivery room in Hawaii when Obama was born. It's the nature of the conspiracy theorist beast.
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"That infant has clearly been photoshopped!"
 
Wonder why it took Obama so long....
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To let birthers dig themselves so deep into a hole of ignorance and stereotypical idiocy that they will never recover. He's a smart guy.

I often wonder if birthers have to have a list of "things to believe today" posted on their bathroom mirror so they can keep track of their lies when they get up in the morning.
 
carlitos said:
That poster is obviously doing parody. It's performance art. No need to lump him/her in with any particular cause. He/she was going to produce a documentary on how the Chilean mining thing was faked, but "they" stole his film footage.
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It's not performance art. dvictr is an admitted troll.

sylvan8798 said:
When I got out of the shower, he was talking about how Obama should release some college record or other to show us how he got into Harvard. /headslap :boggled:
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And a lot of birthers will probably follow his lead. This is likely the new direction their movement will take.
 
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