sadhatter
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There is proof on youtube, proof that i put my personal safety second to being able to destroy a copy of loose change in an interesting manner. Other than that, your spot on.
Merged The Chinese spacewalk was faked.
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There is proof on youtube, proof that i put my personal safety second to being able to destroy a copy of loose change in an interesting manner. Other than that, your spot on.
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I don't think that he is a product of the American Educational system.
Hey, fatty, where did you grow up?
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There is proof on YouTube. Proof that there are a lot of stupid, paranoid and delusional people out there.
I Ratant
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I've used 2,303,128,000 so far... one or two more won't even be significant..
Much like this thread.
Halcyon Dayz
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Something that doesn't produce enough motivation to be bothered to actually look something up doesn't really qualify as 'always wondering'.
It's more like a fleeting thought.
Sledge
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There's proof that Queen rocked, and Freddie Mercury simply cannot be replaced.
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Alareth
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I think you need to present your arguments in your own words and tell us your opinions instead of spamming videos out of context.
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It's the CT definition that means "I don't have to present evidence, ever."
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Just to add there were two designs of PLSS used on the Apollo Missions 15, 16 and 17 had designs with increased capacities to allow longer EVAs.
Oxygen capacity: Pressure in the primary oxygen bottles was increased to 1430 PSIA from 1020 PSIA
Feedwater for cooling: Increased to 11.5 pounds (about 5.2 liters) from 8.5 pounds (about 3.9 liters)
Battery: Capacity increased to 390 watt-hours from 279 watt-hours
Lithium hydroxide: canister increased to hold 3.12 pounds of LiOH, up from 3.0 pounds.
according to http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/plss.html
Good document on the PLSS with some good photographs and diagrams of the construction.
I'm not entirely sure they went to the moon therefore i am not certain it is possible to live on the moon for a few days in a rubber suit kept cool from the 243 degrees F heat by a layer of ice powered by a couple of zinc batteries.
Halcyon Dayz
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First read the documentation, then comment.
There were at least 3 factual errors in that one sentence.
- The astronauts did not spent days in these suits. Merely hours at the time.
- The only thing hot on the Moon would've been the Moon itself. i.e. the surface.
- No 'layer' of ice involved.
The battery power was for communication and pumping the water around, not for the actual cooling.
When water evaporates it will extract heat from its surrounding, you know, like sweat.
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Yes, the human body puts out about 40w that has to be taken away.
BobHaulk, look at the links ApolloGnomon provided and also at the link to the ALSJ page on the PLSS I provided.
What is it abouthe technical info and the descriptions provided that stops the suit or the PLSS from working as described?
If it didn't work for Apollo why does it work for the Shuttle crews?
BobHaulk, look at the links ApolloGnomon provided and also at the link to the ALSJ page on the PLSS I provided.
What is it abouthe technical info and the descriptions provided that stops the suit or the PLSS from working as described?
If it didn't work for Apollo why does it work for the Shuttle crews?
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My impression was that BobHaulk's comment was sarcastic rather than literal. He'll have to clarify whether that was the case or not.
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Thanks for providing a reference point for your knowledge base. I'll make sure to keep in mind where you're starting from.
As mentioned by others, they didn't live in the suits. The majority of time was spent in the Lunar Module. Then they put on the suits to go to work, took them off again at the end of an Extra Vehicular Activity (EVA) and prepared them for the next mission.
Calling them "rubber suits" isn't particularly accurate. Perhaps a bit of research would help you. I can recommend teh wiki page on the suits as a good overview. It's accurate, and detailed enough to get you started.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo/Skylab_A7L
As for being cooled by "a layer of ice" you might look into the Specific Heat of water compared to other materials. Phase change of water involves a tremendous amount of energy. Sublimation is pretty cool, you can google vacuum sublimation and find videos demonstrating it in lab settings. I gotta go do some stuff now, maybe I'll post my favorite examples of sublimation videos later.
Yes, I'm a nerd, I have favorite sublimation videos.
The batteries are not "zinc batteries." They're Silver Oxide, and have the highest energy density of any battery on the market. If you don't know what energy density is, just ask and I'll nerd out on that for a couple of posts.
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Technically, there was a layer of ice involved -- the porous sublimation plates freeze over as the water sublimates into vacuum. As circulating water warms the plate more evaporates and cools the plate -- cleverly self regulating system.
Halcyon Dayz
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I read ' in a rubber suit kept cool from the 243 degrees F heat by a layer of ice' as if BobHaulk believed that the suit itself had a layer of ice.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Nothing HBs believe surprises me anymore.
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I believe the Chinese Finger Trap was faked.
Also, Chinese Food is an altered version of real Chinese food created for the benefit of Westerners.
WHY R THEY HIDNG TEH T00F?
Oh, right, money.
Erock
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Define 243 degree heat. It was a vacuum. You mean the surface? They had thick boots and it was early Lunar morning. You quote the maximum surface temperature which occurs a little after Lunar mid day, a few Earth days after they left on each mission. The surface was nowhere near that heat for any mission.
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Yeah, I wasn't even going to go there yet.
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I've been to the Sonny Carter Training Facility - I worked a little bit in the same building - and have seen a little live underwater EVA training.
I also wasted some time watching one of those idiot YouTube videos. The ISS EVAs look nothing like underwater training, and only utterly devoid of any knowledge related to the subject would believe otherwise - which of course is why davidc/rocky/FF88 laps it up so eagerly, since it fits his worldview. Pretty sad, really, but also typical.
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Summarise your 'evidence'
Fatfreddy88:
Make a list of the things in your video that convince you why the Chinese faked their spacewalk in water. Try to be as detailed as possible.
My list
The 'bubbles' travel in random directions and are not bubble shaped.
Proper underwater footage has far more incidences of bubbles, certainly not singular ones.
Divers change depth and maintain it, altering their ballast by venting oxygen, the astronauts do this effortlessly with a simple push or pull on their tether and hold position. There is no vented oxygen.
The tether changes its shape due to the way it was manufactured.
The flag moves opened out. Quickly. This is not just unlikely, it is a physical impossibility. Even with air, the drag is sufficient to alter and push the shape back against itself with resistance. In water it would be vastly more noticeable.
The Mandarin phrase for water, you have only the film makers word for it, and it is kind of unlikely that they would use it, were it to be true.
The lack of blue halo around the atmosphere can simply be explained by exposure setting. If they were faking this, and going to the trouble of creating a big replica spinning Earth, they would not have forgotten it, were it necessary.
Anything else in your daft film that constitutes 'proof'??
As a credibility test, you would have been better to have asked 'why has that pink duck only got one leg'? To which you would get the reply, it's a flamingo!
Fatfreddy88:
Make a list of the things in your video that convince you why the Chinese faked their spacewalk in water. Try to be as detailed as possible.
My list
The 'bubbles' travel in random directions and are not bubble shaped.
Proper underwater footage has far more incidences of bubbles, certainly not singular ones.
Divers change depth and maintain it, altering their ballast by venting oxygen, the astronauts do this effortlessly with a simple push or pull on their tether and hold position. There is no vented oxygen.
The tether changes its shape due to the way it was manufactured.
The flag moves opened out. Quickly. This is not just unlikely, it is a physical impossibility. Even with air, the drag is sufficient to alter and push the shape back against itself with resistance. In water it would be vastly more noticeable.
The Mandarin phrase for water, you have only the film makers word for it, and it is kind of unlikely that they would use it, were it to be true.
The lack of blue halo around the atmosphere can simply be explained by exposure setting. If they were faking this, and going to the trouble of creating a big replica spinning Earth, they would not have forgotten it, were it necessary.
Anything else in your daft film that constitutes 'proof'??
As a credibility test, you would have been better to have asked 'why has that pink duck only got one leg'? To which you would get the reply, it's a flamingo!