Merged Discussion of the moon landing "hoax"

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Safe-Keeper said:
Food for thought:

Remember when we learned Usama was dead? Remember the forged picture they made that purportedly showed him dead? The very same day is became common knowledge that the picture was a forgery. Let that sink in for a moment. The US forged a photo regarding a subject matter of great national interest. It didn't last a day.
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Who forged a picture? do you have a ref for it being the US Govt?
 
Fatfreddy88 - answer these points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ogk218Qt24

The video shows the fleeting glimpse of the dog tags, that you allege were 'bouncing up and down'.

Now kindly explain why they are suspended in mid air for longer than gravity would hold them there. In gravity an object with any weight would impact his upper chest and bounce upwards as it changed direction itself in an upward direction.

p.s. The 'I did it with keys and duplicated it, but didn't film it or put it up on youtube, or have any friends or HB buddies who can do the same thing for me' argument doesn't quite cut it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs_u4iNfaGk

The first clip at 11 seconds, why isn't the sleeve resting on his arm? It is clearly floating as it would in zero-g.

The second clip at 47 seconds. Again, why is it not resting on his wrist?

p.s. The 'they are not floating, and he is moving' argument doesn't cut it, because in gravity the cuff would bounce off of his wrist, but it clearly does not, and they most certainly are floating.

Try not be 'lame', try not to use the words 'plausible' or 'obfuscate', everybody can see the floating cuffs and dog tags.
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
All those photos were under control of the government so it wouldn't be that hard to make everything match. We already know how the government lies and can pay scientists to lie.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/19657-we-never-went-moon-65.html#post3526619


Are you saying it was impossible? Who knows what kind of classified technology they had back then? Anyway, they probably just fudged the records. There is overwhelming evidence in the photos and video that they faked it and explainable matching weather patterns don't make this evidence go away.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/19657-we-never-went-moon-65.html#post3526599

There are plausible scenarios that would explain the matching weather patterns. Anything that can be explained with plausible alternative scenarios isn't conclusive proof.
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An appeal to magic.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
An unmanned probe moving away from the earth could have taken the photos.


It may not have been a satellite. It may have been an unmanned probe taking the exact route Apollo 11 was supposed to take.


They had control over all the records so they could have made everything match, or the pictures could have been taken by an unmanned probe.


If you look through binoculars backwards, everything looks farther away. The stronger the binoculars, the farther away it looks.


As I said before, the governent had control over all the satellite images so they could easily have made everything match. The anomalies in the video are so clear that this is really a moot discussion. Once people have seen the anomalies, there's really nothing you can do to make them think they went to the moon.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/19657-we-never-went-moon-65.html#post3526599
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Then why didn't they?
 
FatFreddy88 said:
Deleting the posts of the opposition is a pretty lame and desperate tactic.
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Not when they are repetitive spam. It appears you upset this youtuber with 50 duplicate posts on his videos. Some would say that is a little obsessive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52dNmDFvxew


Now to answer your point. You say deleting posts is 'lame and desperate', what is your view on Jarrah White filing 60 fraudulent DMCA (copyright infringements) on pro-Apollo supporters, actually getting one account owned by a KJK (aka Propogannis) closed down?

His account doesn't have long to live as a result. The victims of his claims are counter claiming, and JW has not taken up the obvious action of a rightful copyright claimant, by suing

P.s. The double standards argument won't impress.
 
Yeah, the corner of the jacket pretty clearly floats when he stops running. Not really seeing a problem here. One of the greatest accomplishments of human kind remains unscathed.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
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The implication of your bolded statement is that the projectionist made a mistake. The "wrong speed" effect is actually the result of two different things:

a)older movies/projectors were shot for an 18 frame per second (fps) but later silents and modern films are shot/projected at 24 fps.

b)old movie cameras were hand cranked, and it was noticed pretty quickly that undercranking resulted in goofy high-speed motion, so directors began to use it for comical effect.
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Dang. I just used my college education. Does this mean I should make a loan payment?
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I'm fairly certain there was something similar on an episode of Wishbone. Rip van Winkle, I believe.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
An unmanned probe moving away from the earth could have taken the photos.

It may not have been a satellite. It may have been an unmanned probe taking the exact route Apollo 11 was supposed to take.
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Well, except for the astronauts responding to real-time requests.

They had control over all the records so they could have made everything match, or the pictures could have been taken by an unmanned probe.
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NASA does not control the weather. Nor the weather stations.


If you look through binoculars backwards, everything looks farther away. The stronger the binoculars, the farther away it looks.
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Pretty sure that would leave some sort of visible evidence.

As I said before, the governent had control over all the satellite images so they could easily have made everything match.
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No. "The government" does not have control over every weather satellite and weather service in the world.

The anomalies in the video are so clear that this is really a moot discussion. Once people have seen the anomalies, there's really nothing you can do to make them think they went to the moon.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/19657-we-never-went-moon-65.html#post3526599
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Whenever someone claims something is "obvious", I automatically put my guard up. Also, you just admitted there is no evidence which could convince you. If you have no falsifiability conditions, you are not a skeptic. All your speculation is unsupported by evidence. You are taking your conclusion, speculating as to what could have happened, but presenting no evidence.

For the sake of fairness, my falsifiability conditions include, but are not limited to, evidence that the Russians knew about the fake and did nothing, evidence several observatories and ham radio operators, people who actually broke into the Aussie signal and watched it before it got to NASA, were lying or misled, an explanation of how NASA predicted the weather patterns and/or altered a ton of photos in short order, an evidence-supported explanation of why there have been no whistleblowers in 40 years, evidence about how the 400,000 people at NASA were kept from finding out about or exposing the conspiracy, and a few more things. Explanations, with evidence, not just wild speculation.
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
It was well withing the means of the government to make everything match and keep the people who knew about it quiet.
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Arguably, except you have not determined how many people that was. Given that hundreds of thousands of people were involved in just Apollo 11 alone, I'd say limiting the amount of people who would find out, much less suppressing them this long, is impossible.

Unless you have some other historical example of hundreds of thousands of people keeping evidence of a massive fraud suppressed for four decades. And no, the Manhattan Project was only 4 years, and it WAS penetrated by the USSR. Their first bomb was almost identical to Fat Man. And that was wartime.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
All I can do is keep posting it.
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You finally got something right...you can't produce ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, so you resort to repetition of a completely debunked idea...

Freddy, you're not very good at this "conspiracy" thing.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
You pro-Apollo people always have the attitude that you're winning the whole time you're losing.
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What attitude...we simply know through evidence presented that the landings happened as advertised.

Oh, and if you want to keep quoting yourself as if that is evidence, don't bother...no one is going to read it.

Speaking of 'tude, when will you stop being insulting and actually present evidence...no, not by linking to your own posts.
 
I've never understood why the government (if there indeed were a hoax being covered up) would "allow" anonymous internet posters to "spill the beans".

In other words, if the hoax were true, then why hasn't fatfreddy (and people of his ilk) simply disappeared??
 
R.A.F. said:
I've never understood why the government (if there indeed were a hoax being covered up) would "allow" anonymous internet posters to "spill the beans".

In other words, if the hoax were true, then why hasn't fatfreddy (and people of his ilk) simply disappeared??
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We did "disappear" him and we replaced him with a government agent.
 
About the dogtags.

Watch them at the 1:00 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc

They go up, stop, and go back down they way they would in gravity. I was able to exactly duplicate the movement of the dogtags with some keys around my neck. I was also able to exactly duplicate the movement of the jacket corner by putting a light jacket on a coat hanger and bouncing it up and down.

This is such a clear anomaly that it closes the whole case. You people know that nobody who actually sees the anomaly is going to take your explanations seriously. Your underlying strategy seems to be to bury it to reduce the number of people who see it.

Look at all the examples of movement in gravity in post #1 here.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/190138-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

The jacket and the dogtags move the way the objects in gravity move. There's a definite up and a definite down in the footage.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
About the dogtags.

Watch them at the 1:00 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc

They go up, stop, and go back down they way they would in gravity. I was able to exactly duplicate the movement of the dogtags with some keys around my neck. I was also able to exactly duplicate the movement of the jacket corner by putting a light jacket on a coat hanger and bouncing it up and down.
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Total rubbish.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7274264&postcount=3284

They hover in front of him. Their motion as demonstrated is in line with his natural body movement.

More spam with your link, trying to get banned, so you can claim 'victory'?
 
FatFreddy88 said:
About the dogtags.

Watch them at the 1:00 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc

They go up, stop, and go back down they way they would in gravity. I was able to exactly duplicate the movement of the dogtags with some keys around my neck. I was also able to exactly duplicate the movement of the jacket corner by putting a light jacket on a coat hanger and bouncing it up and down.

This is such a clear anomaly that it closes the whole case. You people know that nobody who actually sees the anomaly is going to take your explanations seriously. Your underlying strategy seems to be to bury it to reduce the number of people who see it.

Look at all the examples of movement in gravity in post #1 here.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/190138-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

The jacket and the dogtags move the way the objects in gravity move. There's a definite up and a definite down in the footage.
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You mean the dogtags that are in view for 2 seconds?

How can you come to any rational conclusion after that short a period of time?
 
TubbaBlubba said:
I'm more interested in knowing how they tricked the Russians.
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Remember this ancient post?

Hahahahaa haaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa *SNORK* so now "we" know don't we!

Ehm I forgot?
What was the answer again?
Please help me out here, I need help!! HEEELP...
HELLUP!!

YES indeed!
Thank God the Russians are (still) not on the payroll of the CIA (anymore), or are they (now - again)> Y/N?

They tricked the Russians, did they not?
Or was them Russians on the CIA payroll?
Or ehm was this whole Russia thing a fake Hollywood thing?

Anybody ever been to Russia?
It think it is FAKE, is it not?

And I was thinking (reaaaaly snoei-hard) and maybe the moon is FAKEd as well???
I just read the first pictures are only from 1850 and they are obviously FAKE, they are very vague and well let't face it the Earth is flat so how could a round shiny object like oh! bye now:shocked:
 
sorry wrong place. ehm... how can I delete this post, it shouldn't be here....

eh well I do believe all moonlandings were real!
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wHeh?
Huwh?

Finsend said:
Remember this ancient post?
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Thats weird, is it not?
From my point of view at least eh last, ehm finally?
My posts seem to popopPOPpopup at random places... at random.

How Strange - really.

Anyway B2T, I think these so called moon-landings (all of them) are big fat hoaxes, just like everything else. Because they simply can't be true.

If you read this thread (again) you w/could know (why) - but only a little bit.

So check this out for the complete story - if you did not already do this:
(talking about upset here;)

http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/Moonphoto.htm

This page explains why the moon does not exist.

So....
There you (all of you) GO!!

No Moon = no Moon landing -> capiche?

It's quite simple, after 8;)

Read it, understand it and ehm... eh...

zzzZZZ*SNORK*ZZZzzz
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Food for thought:

Remember when we learned Usama was dead? Remember the forged picture they made that purportedly showed him dead? The very same day is became common knowledge that the picture was a forgery. Let that sink in for a moment. The US forged a photo regarding a subject matter of great national interest. It didn't last a day.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Who forged a picture? do you have a ref for it being the US Govt?
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The US government did not forge that image. It was originally published by the Middle East online news outlet www.themedialine.org on April 29, 2009, and had circulated around the Internet for two years prior to Bin Laden's death.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
At the top of the page to which this link leads there's some stuff about the Russians.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-...n-missions-were-faked-studio.html#post3989724

The anomalies have already proven the hoax so the issue of the Russians isn't about whether they hoaxed it. It's about how they hoaxed it.
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Yeah not so much with proving the hoax. Explain the radio transmissions from the moon. This were tracked by organizations all over the world. We need not go into the hovering dogtags, being as that video shows evidence that it was shot in space (what with the hovering of the dog tags and all).
 
FatFreddy88 said:
At the top of the page to which this link leads there's some stuff about the Russians.
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Give us, in your own words, without spamming your link in every post, the top 10 best bits of hoax evidence.

Collins' jacket has been busted. The cuffs are floating, his dog tags are floating, his jacket is puffed up at the back. He also rises a couple of times, and there's that thingamyjig near his knees that floats up and down.

Weightless. You can try and obfuscate it all you like, but denying the clear signs of weightlessness, doesn't make them go away.

The anomalies have already proven the hoax so the issue of the Russians isn't about whether they hoaxed it. It's about how they hoaxed it
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Kind of hard to take anybody seriously when they look at a piece of footage showing hovering dog tags and say they are going up and down.


So, top 10 please. If you are able to.
 
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and there's that thingamyjig near his knees that floats up and down.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc

I don't see anything near his knees that floats up. Please be more specific.

Collins' jacket has been busted.
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No it hasn't. It's such clear evidence of a hoax that it closes the whole case by itself.

Look at the videos in post #1 here.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/190138-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

All the objects that are bouncing around in gravity go to a hanging position when the running stops. All the objects that are bouncing around in zero-G don't go to a hanging position when the running stops. Collins' jacket corner goes to a hanging postion whent the running stops.

The cuffs are floating
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It looks to me like you're seeing what you want to see. As soon as they stop moving their arms, there is nothing that can be called floating. The cuffs immediately rest on their upper wrists the way they would in gravity. Please post the exact time mark of the video.

If it turns out that there really is some floating, it can be explained by their being in a diving plane faking zero-G. If that's the case, they got careless and did some filming when the plane wasn't diving because the movement of the jacket corner closes the whole case.

his dog tags are floating
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The dogtags can be seen at the 1:00 time mark of the above video if anyone wants to see for himself. They go up, stop, and go back down the way the do in gravity. They don't float. floating means staying in the same place. It doesn't mean an object's going back down as soon as it reaches a high point. Tell us what makes them stop going up.

I was able to exactly duplicate the movemet of the dogtags with some keys hanging around my neck. It would be impossible to exactly duplicate zero-G movement in gravity.

his jacket is puffed up at the back
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If there were empty space under the jacket, it would be bouncing onto and off of his back in zero-G. We don't know what's under his jacket.

Kind of hard to take anybody seriously when they look at a piece of footage showing hovering dog tags and say they are going up and down.
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The dogtags can be seen at the 1:00 time mark of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc

Anyone who looks at them will see that they're going up and down the way they would in gravity.

Tell us how the jacket corner would be moving in gravity if you think that isn't gravity.

Give us, in your own words, without spamming your link in every post, the top 10 best bits of hoax evidence.
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I don't see why you call this summary of hopax evidence spam.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/190138-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

I'm a bit busy now. For now people will have to by happy with just that info.

Here's the latest from Jarrah White. It's about the rocks.
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ted.+Episode+1,+Water+In+Apollo+Samples.&aq=f
 
No, look at their wrists the cuffs are floating as are the dog tags and jacket corners. It's a side effect of being weightless you see.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc

I don't see anything near his knees that floats up. Please be more specific.
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Why? So you can deny it and think your opinion is proof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NkijOFUnu0

55 seconds the wotsit just floats up, as he also does. Weightless.

No it hasn't. It's such clear evidence of a hoax that it closes the whole case by itself.
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Cuffs, puffed out jacket, him rising up twice, the wotsit and tags. Weightless. You're daft theory is busted completely.

It looks to me like you're seeing what you want to see. As soon as they stop moving their arms, there is nothing that can be called floating. The cuffs immediately rest on their upper wrists the way they would in gravity. Please post the exact time mark of the video.
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Well that's not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs_u4iNfaGk

11 seconds, he repeats the clip. They just float.
47 seconds, it isn't resting on his wrist, sort of floating, in a floaty weightless way.

If it turns out that there really is some floating, it can be explained by their being in a diving plane faking zero-G.
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Ahhh, the watusi back peddle.:rolleyes: The vomit comet is either weightless or in 2g (or depending on its trajectory, lesser gravity instead of weightlessness - I digress). That is a very ignorant answer. They would laugh you out of 'the debating hall' for that one.

If that's the case, they got careless and did some filming when the plane wasn't diving because the movement of the jacket corner closes the whole case.
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Argumentus circulatus! The plane is not diving, it is performing a controlled parabolic arc. As it pulls out of it's descent, it immediately causes the passengers to feel 2g. And you contend that he carried on running during this, without suddenly feeling twice as heavy and with no immediate falling motion, for both him, his jacket, his tags, his cuffs and the air trapped in the back of his jacket being flattened by the weight. STUNDIE!!!!


The dogtags can be seen ...... They go up, stop, and go back down....
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They are floating, and travelling side to side.

I notice Betamax101 has just uploaded another video on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BQQyG8XDlA

I was able to exactly duplicate the movemet of the dogtags with some keys hanging around my neck. It would be impossible to exactly duplicate zero-G movement in gravity.
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I don't believe you. Put it on youtube.

If there were empty space under the jacket, it would be bouncing onto and off of his back in zero-G.
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It is trapped air, and that is an absurd suggestion. With no force acting on the back part (where the air is trapped), there would be nothing to move the air.

I don't see why you call this summary of hopax evidence spam.
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How ironic, as he spams the link for about the 8th successive post and refuses to list his top 10 theories with his own words.
 
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Ifthe tags go up and stop then back down then they aren't in earth gravity. Things that swing up tend to fall down again, they don't pause at the top apart from in cartoons.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
At the top of the page to which this link leads there's some stuff about the Russians.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-...n-missions-were-faked-studio.html#post3989724

The anomalies have already proven the hoax so the issue of the Russians isn't about whether they hoaxed it. It's about how they hoaxed it.
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Interesting. And a lot to read about it.

I think I will take the position that it could have been a hoax, but I do not find it very very likely - since I believe in satelites nowadays and google-earth and even the space-stations, etc, etc... It would also be a very big operation to fake this (I believe) etc... But maybe they could not do a moonlanding in the 60s and/or they could but did not have the time (to beat the Russians, etc) and maybe it was a hoax. I think not, but leave eh lets say a 10% chance it was;)

I think I am not an expert on this so I will first read some more and leave this thread to the pros for now!
 
SpitfireIX said:
Start here.
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Thanx, I'll read some of that, as well as things from the 'opposition';) but I am not sure if I am willing to put a lot of time into this 'moonlanding is a hoax thing'. I have more interests and I do not think the apollo moonlanding was a hoax, this feels fine... for now, etc so and I think you guys know a lot more about and I do not want to mess up (serious;) threads so it seems wise for me to sh*t op here for now:D

Good Luck and Cheers4now,
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I'm having a busy work week and I don't have time to do much posting now. Please answer this question that you missed from my last post.

You maintain that the movement of the corner of Collins' jacket is consistent with zero-gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)

Tell us what it would look like if it were moving in gravity.

I think I am not an expert on this so I will first read some more and leave this thread to the pros for now!
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Jay Windley and all the regular posters at the Clavius forum know the moon missions were faked.
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?

Clavius is a government damage-control site. It was probably thought up by a public-relations agency. Here's some info on the Clavius forum.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=125628
 
So basically you don't have time to post, and then post links to other posts by you on other forums that themselves link to posts by you on other forums?
 
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Once again. posting links to you own linkspew IS NOT EVIDENCE.
What is it about this very simple statement that you don't understand?

There is no Clavius forum.
Your statement that Apollohoax regulars "know the missions were faked" is a blatant lie.

Do you have any evidence for these lies? No of course not.
 
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