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FatFreddy88 said:
I'd better post this again.
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No, you'd better say it in your own words right here. No one is obliged to indulge your link-spamming. You chose to post on this forum. You claimed, on this forum, that regulars on apollohoax "know" that Apollo was faked, and a number of said regulars, myself included, promptly pointed out that we "know" no such thing.

I'm a regular on apollohoax. I'm a practicing space engineer, I have degrees in space physics and electrical engineering and systems engineering, I have twenty years experience in the field, and I have worked with a number of Apollo engineers, and I think the Apollo missions landed and returned crews from the Moon. Your claim is wrong.
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FatFreddy88 said:
I'd better post this again.
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As has been explained to you ad nauseam, your continued parroting of your thoroughly debunked claims does not magically make them true.

Further, your argument that anyone who purports to accept the Chinese space-walk footage as genuine must obviously be a disinformation agent is hopelessly flawed, because no one with any significant knowledge of physics or optics accepts your premise that the footage is obviously faked.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
I can't see ...
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That sums up your case rather nicely.

As to the rest of your vomit...the jacket is being hit by whatever is hanging in front of Collins. The straps in the other video are not experiencing such forces of impact.

Now you tell us why the sleeve floats above his wrist, the back billows above his body, the tags float just like the straps in the other video. Are they not consistent with zero gravity? Or is gravity somehow selective in your universe?
 
the jacket is being hit by whatever is hanging in front of Collins. The straps in the other video are not experiencing such forces of impact.

Now you tell us why the sleeve floats above his wrist, the back billows above his body, the tags float just like the straps in the other video. Are they not consistent with zero gravity? Or is gravity somehow selective in your universe?
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There's a hose hanging above the corner but it's not causing the corner to go back down. You failed here.

As soon as all movement stops, the cuffs immediately rest on their upper wrists. When they seem to be floating, it's because they're moving their arms.

The back of the jacket seems to be atached to his belt in the back. The billowing is the space between the wrinkles caused by the tightness.

This anomaly closes the whole case by itself.

Look at the jacket corner in the first video and the straps in the second video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

The movements are obviously not in the same environment.

The movment of these jacket corners looks different from the movement of Collins' jacket corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

The movement of these jacket corners is obviously not in the same environment that Collins is in.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

As I've said before, some things are simply so clear that they are impossible to obfuscate. It really doesn't matter how may people with authoritative patronizing attitudes maintain that Collins was moving in zero-G; it's simply too clear that he was in gravity. I would say your success rate is close to zero here in this part of the thread. The only thing you can do now is somehow get rid of me and bury this part of the debate deep in the thread.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
There's a hose hanging above the corner but it's not causing the corner to go back down. You failed here.
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That's because it isn't going as much up and down as it is forward and backward. The stiffness in jacket edge is keeping it in line with the hose. The whole section has a floating, billowing character that would not be apparent in gravity. The fail here is your ability to entertain the idea that you could be wrong.

FatFreddy88 said:
The back of the jacket seems to be atached to his belt in the back. The billowing is the space between the wrinkles caused by the tightness.
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LOL Wrinkles cause a jacket to float off of wrists and backs? I'm sure you have a youtube video of this occuring in gravity, right?

FatFreddy88 said:
As I've said before, some things are simply so clear that they are impossible to obfuscate. It really doesn't matter how may people with authoritative patronizing attitudes maintain that Collins was moving in zero-G; it's simply too clear that he was in gravity. I would say your success rate is close to zero here in this part of the thread. The only thing you can do now is somehow get rid of me and bury this part of the debate deep in the thread.
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Wow. Delusional and paranoid are not a good combination.

Boo!
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It really doesn't matter how may people with authoritative patronizing attitudes maintain that Collins was moving in zero-G; it's simply too clear that he was in gravity.
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I see no signs of zero-g:D

Next please, this chump is just trolling now. Calls people out for not answering his questions and fails to answer a whole barrage of posts.
 
Include me on the list of lurkers who is convinced on the entirety of the evidence that the moon landings were indeed real and not faked, for all the reasons stated here.

FatFreddy, if the date of birth in your profile is accurate (1975), you were born after the the last moon mission ended in 1972. You weren't there. You're arguing with people like me who were there, who watched the missions on TV, who celebrated with Apollo 11 and feared for the astronauts in Apollo 13, who watched video from the lunar surface. And that's just the general population. There were thousands of people involved with the program: the rocket engineers, the people who built the space capsules and the landers and the rovers, the people who manned mission control, the people who tracked the telemetry and the voice conversations, the recovery crews who fished the capsules out of the ocean at journey's end.

Your pitiful trolling here is an insult to the time, energy, and efforts of all those people, and an insult to the intelligence of anyone willing to weigh the evidence archived in a vast store of information available for the world to see. Against your pathetic handful of cherry-picked anomalies, that archive speaks volumes to the reality of the missions, whether you accept it or not.

I've wasted too many words already on this troll. Back to lurking.
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
As soon as all movement stops, the cuffs immediately rest on their upper wrists. When they seem to be floating, it's because they're moving their arms.
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Has it occurred to you that this might be because his arms are bent? Could it be that the natural tendency of the sleeve would be to extend out more or less straight if not for the arm inside it? You are making a claim about physics, you need to provide evidence to back up your claim. That means that you need to collect and present data on the way fabric behaves in microgravity. You can't just say "that's moving the wrong way", you need to have evidence about the way it should move.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
Here's something for any objective people who may be lurking.
http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/?action=view&current=Roverplantsreflector.mp4

Watch it fast before it goes off-line.

Right now I'm watching Jarrah White's new series about the moon rocks.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker:+Moon+Rocks+Revisited&aq=f

Here's some more stuff about the rocks.
http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/atmosphaerenfahrt/28_moon-stones-from-Earth-ENGL.html
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker:+Exhibit+D&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQQHTjeMkA
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I believe myself to be an objective person. I was lurking in this thread, on and off, since its creation. After careful consideration, reading FatFreddy's posts, and viewing the links, I conclude FatFreddy88's theories are incredibly wrong. The videos clearly show zero gravity. The entire body of evidence that we went to the moon, multiple times, is absolutely convincing. I only mention it because you were asking for my opinion.
 
Giordano said:
I believe myself to be an objective person. I was lurking in this thread, on and off, since its creation. After careful consideration, reading FatFreddy's posts, and viewing the links, I conclude FatFreddy88's theories are incredibly wrong. The videos clearly show zero gravity. The entire body of evidence that we went to the moon, multiple times, is absolutely convincing. I only mention it because you were asking for my opinion.
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This is a convenient post for me to add my voice to the swelling chorus of people who are convinced that the Apollo project was NOT a hoax.
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
There's a hose hanging above the corner but it's not causing the corner to go back down. You failed here.

As soon as all movement stops, the cuffs immediately rest on their upper wrists. When they seem to be floating, it's because they're moving their arms.

The back of the jacket seems to be atached to his belt in the back. The billowing is the space between the wrinkles caused by the tightness.

This anomaly closes the whole case by itself.

Look at the jacket corner in the first video and the straps in the second video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

The movements are obviously not in the same environment.

The movment of these jacket corners looks different from the movement of Collins' jacket corner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

The movement of these jacket corners is obviously not in the same environment that Collins is in.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

As I've said before, some things are simply so clear that they are impossible to obfuscate. It really doesn't matter how may people with authoritative patronizing attitudes maintain that Collins was moving in zero-G; it's simply too clear that he was in gravity. I would say your success rate is close to zero here in this part of the thread. The only thing you can do now is somehow get rid of me and bury this part of the debate deep in the thread.
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If it is so obvious why do so few people believe it?
 
If it is so obvious why do so few people believe it?
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You people don't represent the real lurkers.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
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FatFreddy88 said:
You people don't represent the real lurkers.
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To the tune of "My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean":

The Lurkers support me in e-mail
They all think I'm great don't you know.
You posters just don't understand me
But soon you will reap what you sow.

Lurkers, lurkers, lurkers support me, you'll see, you'll see
Off in e-mail the lurkers support me, you'll see.

The lurkers support me in e-mail
"So why don't they post?" you all cry
They're scared of your hostile intentions
They just can't be as brave as I.

Lurkers, lurkers, lurkers support me, you'll see, you'll see
Off in e-mail the lurkers support me, you'll see.

One day I'll round up all my lurkers
We'll have a newsgroup of our own
Without all this flak from you morons
My lurkers will post round my throne.

Lurkers, lurkers, lurkers support me, you'll see, you'll see
Off in e-mail the lurkers support me, you'll see.

- Jo Walton

Dave
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
You people don't represent the real lurkers.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
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LOL bring on the 'real' lurkers then! You realize that there is a big, wide world outside of the JREF, and it doesn't agree with you either, right?

You also realize that calling people who disagree with you shills, sheep, or disinfo agents is exactly what people in cults do when faced with evidence that puts their beliefs in doubt, right?
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
You people don't represent the real lurkers.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
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I have been watching you spew this garbage across a number of internet fora, and getting completely crushed for a number of years.

No amount of repetition will make your fable true as if by magic.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
You people don't represent the real lurkers.
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They may work in teams, supporting each other and giving the illusion of popular support on the net.
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The only thing that most of the members here have in common is that we question the veracity of claims made without adequate evidence. Put forth convincing evidence and we will work with you to investigate your claims further. So far, however, you have merely put forth nebulous claims about a flap not looking right and accusations of a conspiracy to sensor internet postings. These do not meet even the loosest standards of scientific evidence.

We hear claims all the time from woo peddlers and conspiracy theorists, but we rarely see credible evidence. The burden of proof is on you - if you continue to spam useless links without producing evidence, your posts will continue to be met with the scorn they deserve.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
You people don't represent the real lurkers.
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Poor rocky/davidc/FF88. How utterly predictable. Appeal to the lurkers who support you, but when the lurkers don't support you, immediately start complaining that they're somehow not "real". This is the same silly trick you tried on apollohoax when nineteen lurkers chimed in and every one of them said you were wrong. Your baseless, evidence-free claim that they are not "real" is thus rejected, and you are left, once again, with no one agreeing with you. I would have thought you could find at least one friend who is new to this thread who will take your position. But so far, all the lurkers think you're wrong.

Don't whine about it. You asked for it.

ETA: Why the knee-jerk, repeat denialism? Is it a religious thing, e.g. that you find it blasphemous that men walked on the Moon? Are you angry that Americans did it first? Is it some sort of philosophical thing? Or what?
 
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Also - when will you retract your erroneous claim that the apollohoax regulars think the Apollo missions were faked? I am an apollohoax regular and think no such thing, as I have pointed out more than once, including right here. Several others have pointed out the same thing to you.
 
sts60 said:
Poor rocky/davidc/FF88. How utterly predictable. Appeal to the lurkers who support you, but when the lurkers don't support you, immediately start complaining that they're somehow not "real". This is the same silly trick you tried on apollohoax when nineteen lurkers chimed in . Your baseless, evidence-free claim that they are not "real" is thus rejected, and you are left, once again, with no one agreeing with you. I would have thought you could find at least one friend who is new to this thread who will take your position. But so far, all the lurkers think you're wrong.

Don't whine about it. You asked for it.

ETA: Why the knee-jerk, repeat denialism? Is it a religious thing, e.g. that you find it blasphemous that men walked on the Moon? Are you angry that Americans did it first? Is it some sort of philosophical thing? Or what?
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Sounds like a real Scotsman argument to me.

Really, he is just repeating the same things over an over again.
No matter what you do there will be those that doubt the moon landing.
In my never humble opinion, if you sent them to the moon the would try to disprove it by removing their helmet.
As entertaining as that thought is, I cannot endorse it.

(I had to remove the link in order to post. :blush: )
 
sts60 said:
No, you'd better say it in your own words right here. No one is obliged to indulge your link-spamming. You chose to post on this forum. You claimed, on this forum, that regulars on apollohoax "know" that Apollo was faked, and a number of said regulars, myself included, promptly pointed out that we "know" no such thing.

I'm a regular on apollohoax. I'm a practicing space engineer, I have degrees in space physics and electrical engineering and systems engineering, I have twenty years experience in the field, and I have worked with a number of Apollo engineers, and I think the Apollo missions landed and returned crews from the Moon. Your claim is wrong.
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sts60 said:
Also - when will you retract your erroneous claim that the apollohoax regulars think the Apollo missions were faked? I am an apollohoax regular and think no such thing, as I have pointed out more than once, including right here. Several others have pointed out the same thing to you.
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Also an Apollohoax regular and I also totally reject the idea that they were faked.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
You people don't represent the real lurkers.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
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They may work in teams, supporting each other and giving the illusion of popular support on the net.
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Great work guys! We got this thread covered, and I'm sure no one except FF88 even suspects. I need to log off at 10 PM so I can set up a straw man on the Nebraska nuclear crisis thread- who is available to take over here until midnight? And can we do something about the chicken salad in the company lunchroom- its been awful for…
Wait, did I send this in the clear? Don't tell me I texted in the wrong browser window again! This is really going to hurt my promotion to G12…
 
Giordano said:
Great work guys! We got this thread covered, and I'm sure no one except FF88 even suspects. I need to log off at 10 PM so I can set up a straw man on the Nebraska nuclear crisis thread- who is available to take over here until midnight? And can we do something about the chicken salad in the company lunchroom- its been awful for…
Wait, did I send this in the clear? Don't tell me I texted in the wrong browser window again! This is really going to hurt my promotion to G12…
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Dude, sadly, that is the kind of gormless nitwittery those kind of people will actually believe.
 
Once again Cosmored Rocky David C Scott Fatfreddy88 has been given a sound thrashing, but he will never admit it. Never.

He has been pushing this for 4 years or more, the Collins' jacket "anomaly" being his major "can't be disputed" point. Not only has it been refuted, explained and shown in multiple videos to be a big load of cack, he actually adopted a fallback position of even more ignorance, where he said something like "if it turns out there is floating they dunnit' on a diving plane and got careless". That shows what we are dealing with.

Man landed on the Moon - zero doubt.


Disclaimer: I don't work for NASA, and I am not paid to post in forums by evil gubments.
 
Blue Mountain said:
FatFreddy, if the date of birth in your profile is accurate (1975), you were born after the the last moon mission ended in 1972. You weren't there. You're arguing with people like me who were there, who watched the missions on TV, who celebrated with Apollo 11 and feared for the astronauts in Apollo 13, who watched video from the lunar surface. And that's just the general population. There were thousands of people involved with the program: the rocket engineers, the people who built the space capsules and the landers and the rovers, the people who manned mission control, the people who tracked the telemetry and the voice conversations, the recovery crews who fished the capsules out of the ocean at journey's end.
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It isn't just having been watching during Apollo.

Those born after the Apollo program ended look to history and see just what's in the spotlight- Apollo 11, mostly, in isolation. Hence they are a fertile field for simple incredulity.

I was born in July 1957. Armstrong walked on the moon just before my 12th birthday and I can clearly remember watching him on our little black and white portable TV, as well as the frustration of watching the broadcast from Apollo 12 and seeing only a picture that looked like someone had dropped a crossword puzzle and broken it.

But before that, my age cohort watched the entire space program unfold step by step. NASA was pretty good at explaining what they were doing and relating it to an ultimate goal and the news media hadn't yet achieved the state of drooling idiocy of the present day, so we actually knew that such things as the "space walk" of Gemini 4 or the rendezvous between Gemini 7 and 6A had a purpose beyond doing cool stuff- to develop and test systems and techniques that would be needed for a moon mission. So, when Apollo 11 landed on the moon it wasn't an anomaly, it was the logical culmination of all the previous work we had witnessed.

To make an analogy, if we saw a bunch of earth-moving machines show up at a vacant lot and dig a rectangular hole, then a lot of carpenters building forms in the hole, then other guys pouring basement walls and floor, then the carpenters coming back and building a house-shaped wooden frame... until the lot contained a typical suburban house- we wouldn't have been the least bit surprised to find we had acquired some new schoolmates.

Lacking that perspective, it's understandable how people of Fatfreddy88"s* generation might see a moon landing as inherently implausible.

*dude, I do wish you would stop defaming the proud name of Freekowtski the way you are doing.
 
Has anyone presented any actual data demonstrating that shirt cuffs in a microgravity environment behave differently than what is seen in the Apollo 11 video?
 
There's a hose hanging above the corner but it's not causing the corner to go back down. You failed here.
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That's because it isn't going as much up and down as it is forward and backward. The stiffness in jacket edge is keeping it in line with the hose. The whole section has a floating, billowing character that would not be apparent in gravity. The fail here is your ability to entertain the idea that you could be wrong.
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The way the jacket corner bends when it bounces around shows it's not stiff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)

The back of the jacket seems to be atached to his belt in the back. The billowing is the space between the wrinkles caused by the tightness.
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LOL Wrinkles cause a jacket to float off of wrists and backs? I'm sure you have a youtube video of this occuring in gravity, right?
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NO they don't. They explain the bilowing. It's just the space between the wrinkles.

FatFreddy, if the date of birth in your profile is accurate (1975), you were born after the the last moon mission ended in 1972. You weren't there. You're arguing with people like me who were there, who watched the missions on TV, who celebrated with Apollo 11 and feared for the astronauts in Apollo 13, who watched video from the lunar surface. And that's just the general population. There were thousands of people involved with the program: the rocket engineers, the people who built the space capsules and the landers and the rovers, the people who manned mission control, the people who tracked the telemetry and the voice conversations, the recovery crews who fished the capsules out of the ocean at journey's end.
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I never tell the truth about my birthday when I register at forums because I want to stay anonymous; I don't want to give any clues to who I really am.

I was thirteen in 1969. I stayed up late to watch the broadcast. I remember what a letdown it was. I was expecting clear images of astronauts making jumps consistent with lunar gravity. I believed they were really there at the time but I was disappointed. Now I know that they were in a studio and the reason they didn't make any jumps consistent with lunar gravity is because they were in earth gravity and the footage was simply shown at a slow-motion speed of fifty percent.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736#
(21:00 time mark)

The footage we saw back then is the same footage we see now. There is no advantage to having seen it when it was first broadcast.

Has it occurred to you that this might be because his arms are bent? Could it be that the natural tendency of the sleeve would be to extend out more or less straight if not for the arm inside it? You are making a claim about physics, you need to provide evidence to back up your claim. That means that you need to collect and present data on the way fabric behaves in microgravity. You can't just say "that's moving the wrong way", you need to have evidence about the way it should move.
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If that turns out to be the case, it doesn't prove they were in zero-G because it would do that in gravity, or zero-G. The main evidence is the corner of Collins' jacket.

Are any of you pro-Apollo people even going to watch Jarrah's new series on the rocks?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker:+Moon+Rocks+Revisited&aq=f
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WHy should we? If Mr White wants to come here and tell us about the rocks he is free to do so. If you have a problem with 'the rocks' why not tell us what it is here in the thread we are reading?
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This is pretty lame. You can't be sure he's wrong if you haven't even looked at his research.

I'd better post this again so that it doesn't gey buried.

The straps in this video have no tendency to go downward...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

...and the jacket corner in this video has a clear tendency to go downward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)

The straps only move when a visible force makes them move. There's an invisible force making Collins' jacket corner go downward and that force isn't present in the space station footage. Collins' jacket corner goes downward in the exact way it would in gravity because he's in gravity.

The jacket corners in this video have a tendency to go downward for the same reason that Collins' jacket corner has a tendency to go downward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

These jacket corners have no tendency to go downward.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

Watch what happens at the 00:08 time mark. It's pretty easy to tell when movements are in zero-gravity and when they are in gravity. I can assure you that your attempts to obfuscate this anomaly are having almost no effect on the real viewers and lurkers.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
The way the jacket corner bends when it bounces around shows it's not stiff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)


NO they don't. They explain the bilowing. It's just the space between the wrinkles.


I never tell the truth about my birthday when I register at forums because I want to stay anonymous; I don't want to give any clues to who I really am.

I was thirteen in 1969. I stayed up late to watch the broadcast. I remember what a letdown it was. I was expecting clear images of astronauts making jumps consistent with lunar gravity. I believed they were really there at the time but I was disappointed. Now I know that they were in a studio and the reason they didn't make any jumps consistent with lunar gravity is because they were in earth gravity and the footage was simply shown at a slow-motion speed of fifty percent.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736#
(21:00 time mark)

The footage we saw back then is the same footage we see now. There is no advantage to having seen it when it was first broadcast.


If that turns out to be the case, it doesn't prove they were in zero-G because it would do that in gravity, or zero-G. The main evidence is the corner of Collins' jacket.


This is pretty lame. You can't be sure he's wrong if you haven't even looked at his research.

I'd better post this again so that it doesn't gey buried.

The straps in this video have no tendency to go downward...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

...and the jacket corner in this video has a clear tendency to go downward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:50 time mark)

The straps only move when a visible force makes them move. There's an invisible force making Collins' jacket corner go downward and that force isn't present in the space station footage. Collins' jacket corner goes downward in the exact way it would in gravity because he's in gravity.

The jacket corners in this video have a tendency to go downward for the same reason that Collins' jacket corner has a tendency to go downward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

These jacket corners have no tendency to go downward.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4
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So, to be clear, the best evidence for a moon hoax you are capable of coming up with, is that a jacket corner and some cuffs do not behave as you think they should? Have I got that right? And you cannot see how insane this is?

FatFreddy88 said:
Watch what happens at the 00:08 time mark. It's pretty easy to tell when movements are in zero-gravity and when they are in gravity. I can assure you that your attempts to obfuscate this anomaly are having almost no effect on the real viewers and lurkers.
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The lurkers have spoken and you are wrong. "viewers"? This is not TV.
How about you explain what your expectation was or is? How should the jacket move in zero G precisely?
 
FatFreddy88 said:
I can assure you that your attempts to obfuscate this anomaly are having almost no effect on the real viewers and lurkers.
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You used "obfuscate" and "anomaly" in the same sentence. Everyone take three drinks!*


Since you're so fond of repeating things, I'm sure you won't mind if I reiterate the following:

The support you continually request and fail to get should indicate one of two things to you:

1. If there really is a silent majority of "real viewers and lurkers" who agree with you, then they are the most shiftless and/or cowardly human beings in human history.

or...

2. No one (or virtually no one) agrees with you.

Either of these two possibilities should give you pause. It won't...but it should.






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FatFreddy88 said:
Now I know that they were in a studio and the reason they didn't make any jumps consistent with lunar gravity is because they were in earth gravity and the footage was simply shown at a slow-motion speed of fifty percent.
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The Mythbusters took care of this little tidbit.
They tried to replicate it in earth gravity, and slowed down the film rate.
FatFreddy88 said:
I can assure you that your attempts to obfuscate this anomaly are having almost no effect on the real viewers and lurkers.
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As I do not agree with you, does that make me a fake lurker?
 
Maddparrot said:
The Mythbusters took care of this little tidbit.
They tried to replicate it in earth gravity, and slowed down the film rate.
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You just gave him his next linkbarf line, it goes something like this....

"Yeah but Jarrah says they used wires and slowed it down, not one or the other". Blah-de-blah.

Then I say......explain this then...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKpZM0gqugs


Then he ignores it and says.....
"you are just obfuscating because my jacket anomaly is the bestest ever in the world".
 
Erock said:
You just gave him his next linkbarf line, it goes something like this....

"Yeah but Jarrah says they used wires and slowed it down, not one or the other". Blah-de-blah.



Then he ignores it and says.....
"you are just obfuscating because my jacket anomaly is the bestest ever in the world".
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Sounds very tough.
I cannot see a way to convince someone like that of anything.
The only response I can think of now is head + desk.
 
Rincewind said:
This is a convenient post for me to add my voice to the swelling chorus of people who are convinced that the Apollo project was NOT a hoax.
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As someone who's not quite a lurker in this thread I'd also like to say I believe that the Apollo project was not faked.
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