Could Rudy Guede alone have killed Meredith Kercher?

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From what I understand the final sentence finds Rudy guilty of killing Meredith, together with others. Whether Knox and Sollecito are the "others" well, it will be established by a court of law. The important thing is,the Supreme Court has decided that Rudy Guede did not act alone. Goodbye lone wolf!

this post made me wonder what evidence did the Supreme Court have for this "multiple murderer" decision?

i dont really know what proof the Court saw as in evidence against others.
was it discussed about the dna on the knife and bra clasp?

what was presented that determined Rudy wasn't the Lone Wolf?
 
Last night Meredith’s father John Kercher said he hoped Guede would now tell the truth about what happened.
“The major question of why did this happen to her is constantly on our minds,” he added.> news clip


Rudy could come clean. He has some remorse maybe. The duvet, the returning to the lawyer about the stolen laptop, his diary he seems somewhat apologetic, and no one said he was complete anti-social.
It was always possible Rudy made a mistake, maybe he didn't mean to go out that night and kill....but he did. A surprised burglar? A rejected/surprised rapist with a victim that fought to the end?
 
Rudy and Filomenas Room....

Could Rudy have staged Filomenas room?

I wondered today reading about another crime- the staged entry.

Although I am unclear of the window still, there is no more "proof" to convince me someone else did it, when Rudy could have staged this to throw off the police. Rudy knew he'd left his DNA inside Meredith and possibly all over the cottage. He told everyone he'd been in every room looking for the money. He told everyone he was in the bathroom and in the blood, and the last to leave Meredith.
He told everyone he looked out the window of Filomenas room to see Amanda in the driveway, but he didn't mention the shutters being closed.
He didnt mention if he looked out the window up close or from the hallway.
He didn't mention if he opened or closed doors to eneter Filomenas room.

I think the entire Perugia system would like a chance to get Rudy on the stand, even the prosecution would leave Rudy in the hands of the Defense attacks.....both sides knowing Rudy is a Liar who was heavily involved, if not the only one involved.

The window with broken glass had a rock broken from which side?
Was this window opened inward to the bedroom? No. The glass is on the sill.
Was the window closed when it was broken? Yes.
So the outside shutters would have to be open or the rock thrown from outside, or a person smashed something to the window.

either theory, seems Rudy would benefit in his "date alibi" if the police were searching for clues in Filomenas room that don't exist....

maybe Rudy staged this? why could this not be possible?
 
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a few items now known-

Rudy tells Matteini he left apprx 10:30, but didnt have a watch
Merediths cell shows 10:13 activity available outside, near the cottage
Allessandra Formicas boyfriend is bumped by a black man in a rush, between 10-10:30
Nara hears a scream "within an hour or two" of sleeping which was known at 9:30pm, placing the scream at 10:30-11:30pm per Micheli report.
The Tow Truck driver had not arrived yet, at 10-10:30 which allows Rudy to have already left the area.
Rudy says he quickly noticed too many people in the basketball court area, so he took another way.
Curatolo says there were many other people in the courtyard that night.
Rudy says he was home washing off the blood, changing clothes, and leaving his apartment to see his friends by 11:30pm.
 
JREF2010 said:
a few items now known-

Rudy tells Matteini he left apprx 10:30, but didnt have a watch
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Meredith had a watch. We see her wearing it in a one of the photos in the file on wikipedia. It would have been on the desk, bedstand or Meredith but I haven't seen it.
 
Bump?

I tried to follow this thread at the time, but failed. I wonder, now, has the general viewpoint changed? Is there anything remaining of reliable evidence suggesting that there had to be someone else as well as Rudy mixed up in this?

Rolfe.
 
Such Q's are not allowed in this thread !

You appear to be breaching the rules as laid down in the OP.

Any evidence of this nature [ should it exist and it definitely doesn't anyway, no way no how .. so there ! ] is not to be considered in this thread.

It's verboten :)

- or a breach of the 'Crow laws' if you prefer.
 
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Thanks for the bump Rolfe. I had forgotten about the watch. If Meredith had stopped wearing her watch, it would have been in the drawer wher she kept her rent monies. It would have also been set an hour fast because Italy just Ended Daylight Savings time on Sunday, October 28, 2007 at 3:00:00 AM.

Rudy is in the bathroom when Meredith gets home around 21:05. By 21:30 she is dead and Rudy is heading out the door with her cash, cell phones and watch.


There was never any evidence that suggested more than one assailant outside of what was in the head of the prosecutor.
 
Well let's look at this list from stilleto back on page 1...


1] RG throws a rock through Filomena's window.
2] RG scales the cottage exterior.
3] RG climbs through the broken window into Filomena's room.
4] RG notices Meredith is home and pulls a knife on her.
5] RG attempts to sexually assault Meredith.
6] A struggle ensues and RG slits Meredith's throat.
7] RG picks up her cellphones and leaves the room.
8] RG goes into AK's room and picks up her lamp.
9] RG places the lamp in Meredith's room.
10] RG waits some time after Meredith dies and then moves her, cutting her bra clasp.
11] RG finds some cleaning supplies and mops up all traces of his footprints in the hallway.
12] RG locks Meredith's door and leaves the cottage down the hallway, mopping behind himself to leave no visible traces.
13] RG disposes of the cell phones in a garden.
14] RG goes dancing at the disco.
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Let's see what it becomes with the current evidence that is tabled. (bolding my new points)

1] RG throws a rock through Filomena's window.
2] RG scales the cottage exterior.
3] RG climbs through the broken window into Filomena's room.
3a] RG goes and sits on the loo doing #2
4] RG notices Meredith is home and pulls a knife on her.
4] RG hears Meredith come home and tries to sneek out discovering the door is locked.
5] RG confronts Meredith for her keys and pulls a knife on her.
5] RG attempts to sexually assault Meredith.
6] A struggle ensues and RG slits Meredith's throat.
7] RG rips off Meredith's Bra and jeans, attempts a sexual assault.
7] RG picks up her cellphones and leaves the room.
8] RG goes into AK's room and picks up her lamp.
9] RG places the lamp in Meredith's room.
10] RG waits some time after Meredith dies and then moves her, cutting her bra clasp.
8] RG goes into the bathroom and gets towels.
9] RG washes hands in sink leaving blood.
10] RG moves Meredith and attempts to stop the bleeding.
11] RG finds some cleaning supplies and mops up all traces of his footprints in the hallway.
11] RG goes to the bathroom, removes a shoe and washes the cuff of his trousers to remove blood.
11] RG stands on mat leaving a footprint.
12] RG returns to Meredith's room, takes keys, phones, and money.
12] RG locks Meredith's door and leaves the cottage down the hallway, mopping behind himself to leave no visible traces.
13] RG locks Meredith's door and leaves the cottage down the hallway, leaving behind visible traces of bloody shoe prints.
14] RG disposes of keys in woodlands as he leaves.
15] RG disposes of the cell phones in a garden.
16] RG gets changed at home considers his next actions.
17] RG goes dancing at the disco.
 
Rolfe said:
...Is there anything remaining of reliable evidence suggesting that there had to be someone else as well as Rudy mixed up in this...
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Actually, not only is there none *remaining*, but there has never been any "reliable" evidence of more than one murderer in the first place.

There has never been any strong basis for the claim (found earlier in this thread) that we "know" there were two knives used. That has always been either ignorance or willful blindness.

Any connection to the Kercher murder of the "double DNA knife" was far-fetched to begin with. And that that was the best single piece of evidence they could muster to tie Knox to the crime has always been telling.
 
and there is no proof Rudy didnt return and stage a break-in...or at least cleanup.

there is always the chance he returned, unable to go home and sleep.

there's even a chance he wiped things down that morning after returning.

for all we know he threw the rock through the window as the last act before fleeing. So many unknowns that make more sense than Raffaele and Amanda being there.

I always thought it a odd statement by Amanda, the **** in the toilet fell down, recently after her first trip. Had he just laid the crap down?
Even just in speculation, could Amanda have woken Rudy from sleeping on the toilet that morning?


Another thing that is odd, why would Rudy mention himself going into the bathroom twice? Except to cover what he knew they would find out, so he creates the I was "saving" Meredith story, there is no reasoning to include this into his confession.

And Rudy logically explains why the blood was splattered/sprayed, and the smear by the light switch. People dont need light switches in the daytime.
Rudy was telling the truth he was in the bathroom. He probably assumed they'd find more Rudy DNA there.

He also might have used the lamp to help himself cleanup things and then gave up the idea after seeing what he was up against in hiding his crime.

One thing thats consistent in Rudy's lies, he always throws someone else under the bus in his lies. He always has someone else committing the crime. Its an Italian Man, its a man in a hat, even in the prison yard its some other person.

Like when he got caught with the stolen laptop, he bought it off a thief.

The sad part is the Prosecution made a deal with the Devil, and Rudy is the Devils guest. He'll be walking around free soon.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Except that there is little evidence of a staged break in, and no evidence of a cleanup.
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The clean up theory was used to explain the lack of evidence indicating Amanda and Raffaele participated in the murder.

There is no explanation for the lack of evidence of a clean up.
 
what is evidence?

he explained he grabbed towels.
two towels were found bloody? yes?
So thats evidence of a clean up, imo.


So what you're really stating is the question "do we believe Rudy used these towels to help Meredith or wipe up blood?"
 
looking through the shutters

PhantomWolf said:
Except that there is little evidence of a staged break in, and no evidence of a cleanup.
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the staged break-in is the largest unknown, isn't it?
Massei guessed horrifically in his report, the windows were open but the glass magically flew to the window sill. I can't say I could guess any better, but the glass seems to show the rock was thrown from outside.

One of the curiosity's for me, in Rudy's "alibi", is how he stated he looked out the window in Filomenas room to see Amandas "shadow" leaving (as seen in the Lifetime movie),

but Filomena had closed at least one of the sets of shutters.

Rudy didnt explain how he could see out the closed shutters and he didnt mention opening the shutters.

Did anyone ever ask him?

When he claimed he saw Amanda's silhouette, he made a very critical claim. Its odd no one really questioned him more about this very critical statement.

We have a broken window. Rudy says he saw Amanda through this very window, Filomena said the shutters were closed.
 
lane99 said:
Actually, not only is there none *remaining*, but there has never been any "reliable" evidence of more than one murderer in the first place.

There has never been any strong basis for the claim (found earlier in this thread) that we "know" there were two knives used. That has always been either ignorance or willful blindness.

Any connection to the Kercher murder of the "double DNA knife" was far-fetched to begin with. And that that was the best single piece of evidence they could muster to tie Knox to the crime has always been telling.
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i agree, it was the police trying too hard. they tried so hard it's just pathetic and nearly evil of them. very telling what was going on, and the intensity of the lab work to find anything to use against them to support the prosecutors/giobbi theory.

i've worked in labs for decades on tools similar to this and when the results are not what we want, its always tempting to retry and magnify etc..

and in this case change the chart resolution to show 10 and 20 RFU spikes, making them appear large for the novice-chart interpreter and Judge and jurors.

a fair way to try again is to use negative controls, calibration tests of blanks etc... then maybe re-run the test and then accept the data in a truthful way.

its so pathetic how they changed the range of the charts. if they re-graphed the DNA chart to a normal setting of 0 to 2000 a human couldn't even see the tiny 20RFU spikes.

what the lab and prosecution did was exploit the ignorance of the jurors and take advantage of the bombarding them with piles of crap-data.

it worked for this long at least.

If I were a Judge and found out my court/trial been duped and tricked by the Stefonani low-RFU data magnified to look like huge spikes, some type of explanation would be requested.
 
JREF2010 said:
what is evidence?

he explained he grabbed towels.
two towels were found bloody? yes?
So thats evidence of a clean up, imo.


So what you're really stating is the question "do we believe Rudy used these towels to help Meredith or wipe up blood?"
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One of the few things that I actually believe from Rudy is that he got the towels to help Meredith. I think that after stabbing her, he realised what he had done and tried to save her.
 
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"Guede on the stand saying that Sollecito and Knox murdered Meredith had to have been a hard blow, and there would be no reason obvious to the court why he would lie."

Rudy is a liar though? This is confirmed. Sadly, he won't tell the truth which would most likely be believable and fill in all the missing answers. He doesn't have the decency to do this for the Kerchers.

All this return to debating, on the main forums, of the footprints confuses me, when thinking of Rudys role. I try to think of the scenario the footprints could be laid down and then cleaned up. Or at least a missing answer to absence of footprints in the bathroom and hallway.

Rudy said he went to the bathroom twice to retrieve the towels. He said in a diary some reference to the bloody hallway or traces, insinuating Amanda cleaned it up.
He admits he had bloody tennis shoes. He admits he went to Filomeans room and looked out the window and saw the silhouttes, but left no traces after leaving Merediths room.

But there aren't any Rudy foot print traces going to the bathroom or in the bathroom near Merediths room. There isn't even any DNA of Rudy found in the bathroom. There aren't any traces he went to Filomenas room after he left Merediths bedroom, but he said he looked out the window and saw the silhouettes leaving.

All of this without leaving tracks? And it was in the night, he left at 10:30pm he claims.
The cell tower to Merediths phone has a 10:13pm call that connected to a different tower than Merediths previous calls that morning from in her room.

In all his questioning and responses I never read where he denied or admitted to the blood smears by the bathroom lightswitch, or if he "flicked" a bloody towel or his hands while in the bathroom that might have landed on the cotton swabs, or if he removed his Nike shoes, he admitted he threw away in Germany (because they were so bloody?). If it was just the rubber soles of the shoes why would he throw away expensive Nikes? Or maybe they were soaked in blood and smelling extremely bad.

How did Rudy go back and forth from Merediths bedroom to the bathroom without a trace?

My perception of Hellman is he is only allowing requests of certain pieces left over from the Massei trial. He is not rejecting Massei's results, only adding to. Appeasing the defense on certain critical items as he should.
He allowed Mignini to remain in the trial, he allowed the defense the re-examination of the knife and bra clasp. He didn't seem to have a concern with the luminol and bathmat print.

But as Massei greatly reduced the "theory", Hellmans will be even more so I would think especially with the knife removed.

Seems in short, as it stands today, Hellman has to believe Rudy or Raffaele and possibly leave Amanda's role somewhere else, in the doorway or in the kitchen, if he finds them guilty still.

If the two college students are acquitted, then Rudy will be left alone, like his DNA in Merediths bedroom, for a few short years in prison, thanks to the Fast Track Deal.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
One of the few things that I actually believe from Rudy is that he got the towels to help Meredith. I think that after stabbing her, he realised what he had done and tried to save her.
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is there any towel fibers found in Merediths wounds from Rudys staunching with the towels?

is there anything to support Rudys alibi?

The Forensic Squad missed testing the towels and at least storing them correctly, as they did the bra clasp. So most likely Lalli and the autopsy would have had to note finding towel fibers in the wounds..

I think Rudy was in that cottage with Meredith from 9pm to 10pm. The cell tower data shows Merediths cell phone connected to a different tower (outside) than the tower logged during her calls that morning from the cottage (inside).

It also aligns with Rudy saying he left at apprx. 10:30pm to Matteini, having no watch on his wrist.

This also is corroborated with the Tow Truck event with the driver saying no one came or went while he was there, and he did look at the cottage noticing no lights were on etc...
 
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Kestrel said:
The clean up theory was used to explain the lack of evidence indicating Amanda and Raffaele participated in the murder.

There is no explanation for the lack of evidence of a clean up.
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if I recall correctly Mignini used Filomenas broken window as his greatest diversion from Merediths bedroom, for the very reason you stated.

and it was a powerful presentation. as Frank wrote the video was very powerful too, even the sleeping jurors woke up.

from what has presented so far, it almost seems like someone returned to the cottage and cleaned up the bathroom etc..

if Rudy killed Meredith upon her entering, he would have had approx 1hr it seems to cleanup and flee.

is that enough time? I dont have any data points for that question.

it doesnt make sense, Amanda would cleanup for Rudy. it seems hard to believe, if Amanda and Raffaele were only present in some minor way, wouldnt they have squealed early on, for a reduction and Fast Track type way out?

it will seem ludicrous if the guilters keep loyal to the slanderous theory of Amanda stabbing, when the knife has failed.
but to date they haven't adopted Rudy fully, though many have started using Rudy as the "savior of the guilt campaign", after all Rudy saw the two students in the cottage on Nov 1. After his talk with Mignini Raffaele became the murderer.


Times are changing, Rudy becoming the honorary spokesman for the Prosecution.

like the Anthony case the system failed, when Rudy is released soon the system will have proven to failed again.
 
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JREF2010 said:
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like the Anthony case the system failed, when Rudy is released soon the system will have proven to failed again.
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I think the 'reasonable doubt' crowd ought to be finding some issues with this statement.

By most accounts here "the system" failed Knox because the Knox jury failed to find her not guilty due to reasonable doubt.

But somehow "the system" also failed because the Anthony jury did?

Seems like a tough audience to me. Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't.
 
Could Rudy alone have killed Meredith Kercher? yes

PhantomWolf said:
Well let's look at this list from stilleto back on page 1...




Let's see what it becomes with the current evidence that is tabled. (bolding my new points)

1] RG throws a rock through Filomena's window.
2] RG scales the cottage exterior.
3] RG climbs through the broken window into Filomena's room.
3a] RG goes and sits on the loo doing #2
4] RG notices Meredith is home and pulls a knife on her.
4] RG hears Meredith come home and tries to sneek out discovering the door is locked.
5] RG confronts Meredith for her keys and pulls a knife on her.
5] RG attempts to sexually assault Meredith.
6] A struggle ensues and RG slits Meredith's throat.
7] RG rips off Meredith's Bra and jeans, attempts a sexual assault.
7] RG picks up her cellphones and leaves the room.
8] RG goes into AK's room and picks up her lamp.
9] RG places the lamp in Meredith's room.
10] RG waits some time after Meredith dies and then moves her, cutting her bra clasp.
8] RG goes into the bathroom and gets towels.
9] RG washes hands in sink leaving blood.
10] RG moves Meredith and attempts to stop the bleeding.
11] RG finds some cleaning supplies and mops up all traces of his footprints in the hallway.
11] RG goes to the bathroom, removes a shoe and washes the cuff of his trousers to remove blood.
11] RG stands on mat leaving a footprint.
12] RG returns to Meredith's room, takes keys, phones, and money.
12] RG locks Meredith's door and leaves the cottage down the hallway, mopping behind himself to leave no visible traces.
13] RG locks Meredith's door and leaves the cottage down the hallway, leaving behind visible traces of bloody shoe prints.
14] RG disposes of keys in woodlands as he leaves.
15] RG disposes of the cell phones in a garden.
16] RG gets changed at home considers his next actions.
17] RG goes dancing at the disco.
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I like this list and would add,

C-13
Rudy leaves the cottage at 10:13pm with Merediths cell phone per the cell tower data and his own admission.

d-13 He also mentioned himself his clothing was so bloody he didnt want anyone to see him so he took a hidden path home.
 
JREF2010 said:
I like this list and would add,
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Rudy mentioned leaving his apartment to the cottage, 7pm, 7:30pm and knocked but no one was home either upstairs or downstairs. At the beginning of some car race, if I recall. SO the time can be corroborated.
Why did he place himself at the cottage at this time, I wonder?

This would be the second time Rudy came over unannounced, since the boy downstairs invited Rudy that day in the basketball court.
Most likely he was just doing the same, showing up unexpectedly.

No one was home, and Rudy being a local knew the holiday likely pulled everyone away.

Rudy claims he went uptown for a kabob and spoke to his friends. But no one testified to help Rudy with that story. Why would Rudy need to lie he went uptown for a kabob and spoke to some friends?

I doubt Rudy would break the window in the daylight. Returning seems more logical. Throwing a rock through the window and standing back in the dark is a sure fire way to get anyone inside to turn on a light or something.

If no lights or activity....green light for burglary.

Its dark by 8pm, 8:30pm easily very dark by 9pm.

November 1 2007 sunset was around 5:40pm in Rome Italy.

Rudy could have been burglarizing by his self.
He didnt have anyone with him a few weeks earlier when he was caught in Milan stealing things at the daycare/business., his MO?
 
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The detectives in this case don't, and didn't, have infinite man hours to devote to their investigation.

I urge you all to look at the time and effort invested in this argument, just on this set of forums, not on the others you all interact on.

Consider how many man hours have been invested in this armchair detective work you are doing.

Think about that. Think long and hard.

What good have you done for Meredith, Amanda, Rudy, et al?

Bravo Foxtrot Alpha
 
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JREF2010 said:
Rudy mentioned leaving his apartment to the cottage, 7pm, 7:30pm and knocked but no one was home either upstairs or downstairs. At the beginning of some car race, if I recall. SO the time can be corroborated.
Why did he place himself at the cottage at this time, I wonder?
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The simple reasoning would be that was where he was. Since it was still light and close to his usual hangout there is a very strong chance that he could have been spotted by someone that knew who he was. He had already been caught trying to lie and say he wasn't there at all. He needs to be correct on any details that might be confirmed if he's boing to have any chance passing off his story that someone else came in and murdered Meredith.
 
Could Rudy Guede alone have killed Meredith Kercher?

Sure, and so could Chuck Norris - but Chuck wasn't there. The others were.





Nothing odd though - under proper circumstances any person can kill any other person (for those desiring to give funny circumstances please note the conditional phrase I used.)
 
fuelair, you are making claims that you cannot back up. Where was Chuck Norris in October/November 2007? What evidence do you have that he wasn't in Perugia on that night? There is strong evidence placing Rudy Guede in the cottage on the night Meredith was murdered. Rudy himself admits that he was there. The crime scene is 100% consistent with Rudy Guede committing this murder on his own. But then, Chuck Norris would know how to make it look that way wouldn't he. Chuck is a master with a knife. He could carve up someone's neck without getting a single drop of blood on himself. And then while leaving he could use those swift confusing moves he is famous for to undo Rudy's belt so Rudy would trip backwards when his pants fall to his ankles. And of course, there is no question that Chuck Norris could speak in perfect Italian when he tells Rudy "Uomo di colore trovato. L'uomo nero colpevole.", letting Rudy quite literally take the fall for this crime.

But why would Chuck Norris do this? There is no motive for Chuck just as there is no motive of anyone else that has been accused. Rudy Guede though does have a motive. Rudy is a small time criminal that breaks into other peoples houses and threatens people with a knife. Rudy's rent was due in a few days and he had just gotten busted in Milan with a stolen laptop in the previous week. Rudy had been given every opportunity by his foster family to lead a lawful life but he couldn't even handle a gardening job.
 
Dan O. said:
The simple reasoning would be that was where he was. Since it was still light and close to his usual hangout there is a very strong chance that he could have been spotted by someone that knew who he was. He had already been caught trying to lie and say he wasn't there at all. He needs to be correct on any details that might be confirmed if he's boing to have any chance passing off his story that someone else came in and murdered Meredith.
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As a point of fact, on October 31st sunset in Perugia is 17:00 (5:00pm).
 
Dan O. said:
For another point, sunset in Milan on October 27, 2007 was at 6:19pm.
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Yes, but that date (Oct. 27) and time was Central European Summer Time (GMT +2) while the date in question (Oct. 31) was Central European Time (GMT +1). Thus, when you say it was light at 7-7:30 pm on Oct. 31, you are wrong. Why not just acknowledge it and move on?
 
Darth Rotor said:
The detectives in this case don't, and didn't, have infinite man hours to devote to their investigation.

I urge you all to look at the time and effort invested in this argument, just on this set of forums, not on the others you all interact on.

Consider how many man hours have been invested in this armchair detective work you are doing.

Think about that. Think long and hard.

What good have you done for Meredith, Amanda, Rudy, et al?

Bravo Foxtrot Alpha
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haha...so what good have you done asking others what good they have done?

this same question comes up on every forum no matter what the subject.

maybe "what good does it do we invented the internet?" is another way of saying the same thing.

as for the police and squad, having limited man hours of course, I agree.
and the fact they made numerous mistakes and also made some great catches like Rudys prints, his tennisshoe prints, (circles counted later), and performed a lot of tests etc..

the forensic science isn't supporting the prosecution theory's.

even applying simple logic that Rudy alone could have committed the crime is better supported by the forensic science....especially if a person focus's on Meredith bedroom.

Had Amanda and Raffaele been caught burglarizing places weeks before this crime, like Rudy was caught doing, the logic would be different.

Rudy was allowed to be a repeat offender, in short.
 
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Dan O. said:
The simple reasoning would be that was where he was. Since it was still light and close to his usual hangout there is a very strong chance that he could have been spotted by someone that knew who he was. He had already been caught trying to lie and say he wasn't there at all. He needs to be correct on any details that might be confirmed if he's boing to have any chance passing off his story that someone else came in and murdered Meredith.
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makes sense, i suppose he was constructing his alibi as evidence was coming out. maybe explains why he also mentioned going in Filomena's room too, he had no idea at the time how much his DNA they would find.

its also a eery , possible MO, in the Milan video the lady mentions Rudy had stolen keys too. why keys? why would a thief take keys?

yet he wasn't written up for anything, though good work and idea they took his prints.

she also said he had taken some money at the daycare/nursery. so this again is minor evidence he wasnt really getting rich peddling small amounts of dope, and was possibly looking only for cash at the cottage.

maybe he enjoyed the thrill of burglarizing places, instead of having a normal job like the one he was given by the adoptive father.

the psychology of Rudy the half-truth liar
....there's a book for someone to write.
 
Jungle Jim said:
Yes, but that date (Oct. 27) and time was Central European Summer Time (GMT +2) while the date in question (Oct. 31) was Central European Time (GMT +1). Thus, when you say it was light at 7-7:30 pm on Oct. 31, you are wrong. Why not just acknowledge it and move on?
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Because I am never wrong. The sun may have set but that just means that the street lights would be on and providing sufficient light for his acquaintances to recognize him. The key point is that Rudy cannot afford to be caught lying about inconsequential details that might be verifiable.

I wanted to reiterate the point about the time change the preceding Sunday since time is an important factor in this case and the question of the true time on various clocks comes up often. The police had forgotten to reset the clock on the video camera that was used to record the crime scene on Nov. 2nd and 3rd. Then there is the debacle with the clock on the car park video. And not to mention the witnesses that didn't even know what day it was.

When Rudy leaves the cottage, he says it's about 10:30. But how does he know what time it is? Rudy says he doesn't have a watch. Are we also to believe that Rudy stayed in the cottage for an hour and a half while Meredith died and Rudy did nothing? Or is it more probably that Rudy was only there for half an hour after Meredith walked in and the confrontation began?! If Rudy found a clock at the cottage and the time had not been reset since the time change that Sunday, the clock would have said 10:30 when in fact it is only 9:30.

BTW, has anyone seen Meredith's watch?
 
Darth Rotor said:
The detectives in this case don't, and didn't, have infinite man hours to devote to their investigation.
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They certainly had more than four days. That's how long it took them to reach the conclusion that Knox, Sollecito and Lumumba committed the murder.

Any idiot can reach a mistaken conclusion in four days. The difference between a detective and the rest of us is training. The detectives in this case either didn't use theirs or never had any.

I urge you all to look at the time and effort invested in this argument, just on this set of forums, not on the others you all interact on.

Consider how many man hours have been invested in this armchair detective work you are doing.

Think about that. Think long and hard.

What good have you done for Meredith, Amanda, Rudy, et al?

Bravo Foxtrot Alpha
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There's something about people talking and writing about news events that keeps those events alive. The news coverage of this case has increased and changed direction over time. Public opinion was largely responsible for getting the two innocent defendants convicted, and it is making a strong contribution to getting them acquitted.
 
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Typically attributed to Edmund Burke though there is some controversy)
 
Dan O. said:
The simple reasoning would be that was where he was. Since it was still light and close to his usual hangout there is a very strong chance that he could have been spotted by someone that knew who he was. He had already been caught trying to lie and say he wasn't there at all. He needs to be correct on any details that might be confirmed if he's boing to have any chance passing off his story that someone else came in and murdered Meredith.
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I suspect that while you are right in the idea that he was worried he might be seen at the eariler time, it was more likely because there would more people about at 7:30pm than there were when he returned an hour later. By 8:30pm on a holiday with everything closed up, and it being dark and bitterly cold from what I understand, I suspect that there would be few people out and about in the area by 8:30pm.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I suspect that while you are right in the idea that he was worried he might be seen at the eariler time, it was more likely because there would more people about at 7:30pm than there were when he returned an hour later. By 8:30pm on a holiday with everything closed up, and it being dark and bitterly cold from what I understand, I suspect that there would be few people out and about in the area by 8:30pm.
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We are assuming he left. We don't really know if he left, only his story mentions this.

His friends didn't corroborate his story of the kebob etc.. and that he ran into them that night.

Judge Micheli didn't know if it was Rudy lying or the friends not wanting to be associated in the trouble by admitting they did see him. as I interpreted the report idk?

there were people on the basketball court, Curatolo and even Rudy mentions he saw people , so with blood on his clothes he took another path.

we have the Alessandra Formica being bumped, the Tow Truck scene..... some things were happening around the cottage.
 
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