When Did the Apollo Hoax Nonesnese start?

By the way, I hope it hasn't escaped anyone's attention that Patrick claims to remember discussing Apollo hoax ideas with his Italian relatives and their friends on the very first time he travelled to meet them in 1989. This despite the fact that early in his hoax megathread he claimed to be an Apollo hoax ingénue, who only started looking into it three months previously.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
By the way, I hope it hasn't escaped anyone's attention that Patrick claims to remember discussing Apollo hoax ideas with his Italian relatives and their friends on the very first time he travelled to meet them in 1989. This despite the fact that early in his hoax megathread he claimed to be an Apollo hoax ingénue, who only started looking into it three months previously.
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Oh, I pointed out that particular lie several months ago. It's just one of many lies Patrick1000/fattydash/DoctorTea/forthethrillofitall/etc.,etc. routinely tells.

ETA: In one post, he said he was "new to Apollo, only 6 months in really, perhaps a bit more".
In another post, he said he had been "consistant [sic] in my position as regards the astronuats[sic] for years. They lied and participated in a fraud,... "

Again, you would think anyone who lies as much as Patrick1000, aka fattydash, aka DoctorTea, aka forthethrillofitall, aka many other sock-puppets - each one in itself representing a lie in intentionally violating the Terms of Service at other boards - would be better at it. Unlike a competent liar, though, he never knows when to stop.
 
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I had always believed that Lunar Landing Hoax was the garbage heap of conspiracy theories. That is until I went to a party where a German man with a PhD in political science was spouting this crap as if it was interesting party talk. An Australian woman who works for a major magazine published by the American government seemed to find this his talk quite interesting.

I presume this kind of talk remains at least "interesting" among peoples of places that have friction with the USA.
 
"Moon Hoax" was never heard of in Australia until the advent of the internet. Just like that lie that Percy / Bennett promulgated, that people in Australia saw that coke bottle; it never happened.

"Alternative 3" hoax claims were that we landed much earlier, and discovered alien spacecraft, aliens who were watching us.
 
I think Bart Sibrel is so full of it his eyes are brown but at least when given an opportunity to confront a "perp", he took it.
 
Obviousman said:
"Moon Hoax" was never heard of in Australia until the advent of the internet. Just like that lie that Percy / Bennett promulgated, that people in Australia saw that coke bottle; it never happened.
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Given how bad the quality of the footage was you could almost have driven a truck between the camera and the astronauts and not be sure you saw it
 
Patrick1000 said:
Italians are hard to convince........I made my first trip to Italy in 1989. My cousins there and several soon to be good friends, informed me they believed Apollo phony. Moreover, they indicated they NEVER had bought in.

Educated Chinese, all the more so.
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Which has nothing to do with the snip of my post that you quoted.
 
Patrick1000 said:
My view was/is this is a set up, a hoax of its own.....Bart Sibrel, the man who was punched, pushes a view of Apollo reality, a view as to what went down and why, that is beyond ridiculous. It doesn't hold water, not to mention cryogenic liquid oxygen.

Photo's of the punching appeared the very next day in newspapers, including on some front pages. Jay Leno talked about it. It was/is a publicity stunt, a pro astronaut stunt, a pro Apollo stunt, and a very inauthentic one at that, just like the rest of Apollo.

Sibrel, the punchee, is very much a main-streamer, though covertly so. He is an idiot, and his idiocy discrdits the notion of Apollo inauthenticity, get it?

Aldrin is not dumb enough to let this yo-yo, and he is a yo-yo, corner him. Nor would Aldrin have been dumb enough to punch Sibrel out of genuine anger. The whole thing was a silly set-up. That much is obvious......
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Why was the camera angle so crappy? This is an interesting new CT that I haven't heard before...reminds me of when I attempted to talk about Ace Baker with a Truther and he claimed that Baker was a shill to make Truthers look bad.
 
Garrison said:
I think it was just part of showing that the billionaire who owned the company was doing cutting edge space research to tie in with the laser satellite that's the main plot device, I certainly never had the impression it was implying anything about an Apollo hoax.
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That's the way that I had always seen it. I hadn't even heard of the Apollo hoax until after seeing the film several times.
 
Darat said:
Really? I had never heard about this CT in the UK until a few years back when it got a bit of publicity thanks to a TV show or two. Prior to that I had never heard anyone ever mentioning the silliness.
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ixolite said:
Dito, except that I only know of this particular CT because of the internet, never seen/heard it mentioned on tv, radio or print here in Germany.
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Yep, I've never met an Apollo denier in real life, on on the 'net.
 
AFAIK I've never met one, though I know a few people who are "soft-core" believers in other popular CTs (though I've managed to pull them at least partway back out of the rabbit hole). I saw Capricorn One when I was 12 years old, but I never made any connection with fake moon landings. (I did realize, though, that the idea of using Apollo hardware for a Mars mission was ridiculous.) I also saw Diamonds are Forever on TV around that time; again it didn't occur to me that it might have any connection to a fake moon landing.

Some time later I saw a copy of the Weekly World News at the grocery store that said something to the effect that "NASA DIDN'T REALLY GO TO THE MOON: IT WAS ALL A MOVIE!" I didn't think anyone would actually believe that, though. That was long before I learned that WWN was started as a parody, but people bought it mainly because they actually believed the [Rule10] in it. :eek:

I first learned that there are people who really believe this when I saw a news item about Buzz Aldrin's punching BS; that kind of piqued my curiousity, so I started looking into it online. I found Bad Astronomy and Clavius; I also read BS's web site, along with an interview with Bill Kaysing. Then, on February 1st, 2003, a friend's cousin, who teaches history, told me that he sometimes has students ask him if the moon landings were faked. That was the wrong day for me to hear that; it's the day Columbia was lost. That's when I decided to get more involved in correcting the conspiracist [Rule10] that's online.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It's not nonsense. The evidence that the missions were faked is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=125628

Look at post #8 of the above thread.
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I love how CTs like to think they're so important the government has to actually hire people to lie to them, despite having somehow fooled almost the entire world, including who knows how many professionals, for over forty years.

I also note how David C simply ignores Truegroup so he can talk about how Jay Windley ignores people. Complete lack of self-awareness. It says something that you lot prefer to attack the people rather than the evidence.

Jay specifically says in the linked thread that his answer or lack thereof either way will not change Rocky's opinion, so it's pointless. Rocky indirectly accuses Jay of being a liar (in "some people have claimed" fashion), then admits he has no evidence of such.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It's not nonsense. The evidence that the missions were faked is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487
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At the politicalforum, you were completely buried. The guy debating you collated his responses into a blog - HERE. The thread shows almost no responses back on the matter.

The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=125628
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No it isn't - they don't pay me. Perhaps you could link me to the application for doing this, I could do with the extra money;)

Your delusional paranoid observation is rejected. One could equally argue that you are a 'professional' forum poster whose objective is to incite anti-American feelings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn41RM-x4wA

Look at post #8 of the above thread.
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I would strongly suggest you don't make those allegations here, unless you want to experience death-by-mod.
 
I an in the UK and I had never heard of APollo being a hoax until I saw it on the Web.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It's not nonsense. The evidence that the missions were faked is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=125628

Look at post #8 of the above thread.
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Linking back to your own posts on other sites isn't evidence of anything other than your own delusion.

You are like a Dog eating it's own Vomit, you regurgitate the same mess and eat it right back up ready to spew out again in an even more degraded state.
 
The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence.

Look at post #8 of the above thread.
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I'm wondering why you haven't addressed my posts refuting the lies you repeatedly tell about me.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It's not nonsense. The evidence that the missions were faked is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
<link-spam to his own drivel deleted>
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Hi, David. I loved the way you approvingly quoted the guy who claimed that there were no pictures of planets or stars taken from space. That was almost as funny as you claiming the South Atlantic Anomaly doesn't even exist.

The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence....

Yes, you make this same idiotic claim a lot. You just don't get it, do you? No one in the real world cares about the hoax believers. You simply are irrelevant. No one gets paid to hide information from you, though some of us have, for free on our own time, tried to educate you. But you are simply ineducable, curled tightly around yourself in a tight ball of fantasy and paranoia.

And you said I was lying over on Apollohoax, and here you were saying we didn't believe our own words. I explicitly refuted that - I certainly do believe what I say here - and I expect you to provide evidence for your claim, or withdraw it and apologize.
 
000063 said:
Jay specifically says in the linked thread that his answer or lack thereof either way will not change Rocky's opinion, so it's pointless. Rocky indirectly accuses Jay of being a liar (in "some people have claimed" fashion), then admits he has no evidence of such.
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For those who don't want to relive the weeks-long odyssey of FatFreddy88's (aka Rocky, DavidC) stint at Apollohoax.net, the "litmus tests" referred to are the demand from Rocky that he would only debate Apollo hoax theories with people who could prove they were not government shills -- by which he meant people who answered favorably to questions such as, "Was 9/11 an inside job?"

This is typical of the kinds of games he plays.

He was banned there in 2007. As of 2010 he still maintains his obsessive personal fixation toward me and spams his misleading and defamatory claims any time Apollo is mentioned.
 
LongFuzzy said:
If for no other reason, then just to see Jill St. John. :eye-poppi
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For some inexplicable reason the image of her with the cassette tape in her bikini bottom is indelibly burned into my brain.

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One of my good friends had a lifelong ambition to be a Bond Girl. She now lives in England, having completed a Master's degree in English Literature and preparing to apply to Cambridge for a PhD in the same field -- just so you know how she spends her time. When I asked her why she wanted to be a Bond Girl, she answered, "They get to wear fabulous costumes and fly helicopters." You go, Heidi! :cool:
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You have to admit though, that the clangers are apt in that they kind of display the naivity and age group that is seemingly apparent in the so called 'hoax believers'.

All hail the soup dragon (and clavius).
 
JayUtah said:
For those who don't want to relive the weeks-long odyssey of FatFreddy88's (aka Rocky, DavidC) stint at Apollohoax.net, the "litmus tests" referred to are the demand from Rocky that he would only debate Apollo hoax theories with people who could prove they were not government shills -- by which he meant people who answered favorably to questions such as, "Was 9/11 an inside job?"

This is typical of the kinds of games he plays.

He was banned there in 2007. As of 2010 he still maintains his obsessive personal fixation toward me and spams his misleading and defamatory claims any time Apollo is mentioned.
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Rocky/DavidC/FatFreddy88 (not sock puppets, he just uses various names in various places) is also completely unable to process anything going against his fixed personal obsession that Apollo was hoaxed. This requires him to invent ever more magical means of "faking" things and insist that an ever-expanding pool of persons and organizations are "in on it".

For instance, when it was pointed out that lunar soil kicked up by the LRVs follows perfect parabolic arcs and does not billow as it would on Earth, he invented magic sand that produces no dust whatsoever and is impervious to drag. When it was pointed out that his handwaving about "radiation" - he knows nothing at all about any of the science - was refuted by the experience of ISS astronauts who routinely transit the South Atlantic Anomaly, his response was to deny that the SAA even existed. When pointed out that it is dealt with routinely by spacecraft manufacturers and operators worldwide, and studied by scientists and students in many countries - I gave him a list of over 20 - guess what? Yes, the spacecraft manufacturers (like my company) are in on it. The satellite operators and insurers are in on it. All the students and scientists are in on it.

When pressed on such absurdities, he simply says "we don't know", despite being regularly schooled that the people in question do know. He simply cannot deal with the fact that competent people don't agree with his worldview. He can't bring himself to face the direct personal testimony of people like Jay (and myself), who work in this field; hence we must be lying. He can't face the evidence; it must all be faked, even though he can think of no credible way to fake it. He can't even believe that people who disagree with him might really be sincere - hence he said everyone who who was debunking him didn't believe what they were saying. (Rocky, I'm still waiting for you to either back up this claim, or retract it and apologize.)

He's also, ironically for someone so free with accusations of disinformation and mind control and lying, incapable of doing any original thinking for himself. He incontinently cites any hoax site or video he comes across, and endlessly recycles links to his own posts full of links to other sites. But at least, unlike the two resident space-trolls currently active here, he really seems to buy into his belief that Apollo was a hoax - no matter how many knots he has to tie himself into in order to avoid confronting reality.
 
Folks, please remember that the topic of this thread is when the Apollo hoax nonsense started, not the hoax nonsense itself. There is presently a moderated thread for the latter. Thank you in advance.
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Well the flat earthers objected as far back as 1969

There is a new scientist article that mentions it as far back as 4 jan 1973

Saturday review: Volume 53, Issues 36-44 takes the thing as far back as 1970.
 
LashL said:
Folks, please remember that the topic of this thread is when the Apollo hoax nonsense started, not the hoax nonsense itself. There is presently a moderated thread for the latter. Thank you in advance.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL
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Agreed and noted. However, for the sake of clarity, is the moderated thread for all advocacy of Apollo hoax claims, or just for those advanced by Patrick1000? I ask because he's the only one currently advocating hoax claims there, and there has just been another hoax advocacy thread opened and I want to know whether I should contribute there.
 
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