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Several weeks ago we established that 1,100,000 Jews were transported to Auschwitz during the war years.

We also know that over 780,000 Jews were deported to Treblinka (713,555 referenced in the Höfle Report through 31 December 1942, another 8,000 deportees from Theresienstadt in October 1942, not included in Höfle’s figure; in 1943 about 51,000 from Bialystok and places in the GG, 14,159 deportees from Saloniki, Macedonia and Thessaloniki - coming to over 780,000).

For Chelmno, Patrick Montague documents, as previous studies have tallied, a minimum of 152,000 Jews transported to the camp and a more likely figure a bit higher, the transports and their numbers itemized in his new book on the death camp.

Taking just these 3 installations, then, we have over 2 million people with records supporting their transfer to the installations. The logistics involved in these operations if they were for transit would have been even greater than for mass murder - because then the transportees would have to have been moved a number of times, fed and cared for at the transit facilities, and assigned and taken to new homes, where their arrivals would have had to have been coordinated with local authorities, laboring roles would need to have been identified, shelter given, etc. Not only would many agencies need to be involved and working together, with many specific individuals playing documented parts, but also bystanders and ordinary citizens of the various places through which and to which the Jews were taken would have witnessed stages of this process.

And that is why no denier will ever seriously tackle, as we have seen time and again in this thread, the very simple and important questions asked by Mynott.

Watching deniers run from their own transit thesis is rather amusing.
 
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Several weeks ago we established that 1,100,000 Jews were transported to Auschwitz during the war years.

We also know that over 780,000 Jews were deported to Treblinka (713,555 referenced in the Höfle Report through 31 December 1942, another 8,000 deportees from Theresienstadt in October 1942, not included in Höfle’s figure; in 1943 about 51,000 from Bialystok and places in the GG, 14,159 deportees from Saloniki, Macedonia and Thessaloniki - coming to over 780,000).

For Chelmno, Patrick Montague documents, as previous studies have tallied, a minimum of 152,000 Jews transported to the camp and a more likely figure a bit higher, the transports and their numbers itemized in his new book on the death camp.

Taking just these 3 installations, then, we have over 2 million people with records supporting their transfer to the installations. The logistics involved in these operations if they were for transit would have been even greater than for mass murder - because then the transportees would have to have been moved a number of times, fed and cared for at the transit facilities, and assigned and taken to new homes, where their arrivals would have had to have been coordinated with local authorities, laboring roles would need to have been identified, shelter given, etc. Not only would many agencies need to be involved and working together, with many specific individuals playing documented parts, but also bystanders and ordinary citizens of the various places through which and to which the Jews were taken would have witnessed stages of this process.

And that is why no denier will ever seriously tackle, as we have seen time and again in this thread, the very simple and important questions asked by Mynott.

Watching deniers run from their own transit thesis is rather amusing.

I found the total number of holocaust survivors alive in 1945.5, x, to be about 6,540,000.

http://www.rense.com/general79/hoilsurv.htm
 
That doesn't explain anything, Clayton. Steve Wiseman / Barrington James doesn't answer a single one of Mynott's questions - nor reply to the problem for your position that I've raised. Try again.

As with his silly forum trolling, Wiseman / James proceeds, as well, against a strawman, that it is claimed that nearly every Jew in Europe was murdered in the Holocaust.

Please put down Google and try thinking and replying to Mynott's simple, direct questions.
 
I guess the Germans destroyed every one of the gas vans and all the pictures of them.

Let me guess. Two soldiers gassed up the van and set out for Jewish people to pack the van so that the exhaust would kill them on the trip back?
 
I guess the Germans destroyed every one of the gas vans and all the pictures of them.

Let me guess. Two soldiers gassed up the van and set out for Jewish people to pack the van so that the exhaust would kill them on the trip back?

You really really should stop parading the fact that your post shows an almost, but not quite, completely ignorance of the history you really really want not to have happened.

Research, oh let's say Albert Widmann and get back to us.
 
You really really should stop parading the fact that your post shows an almost, but not quite, completely ignorance of the history you really really want not to have happened.

Research, oh let's say Albert Widmann and get back to us.
And then look up Harry Wentritt, Henryk Maliczak, Henryk Mania, Heinz May, Karl Heinl, Walter Burmeister, Kurt Mobius, Gustav Laabs, Jozef Budynek, Jozef Piaskowski, Bronislaw Falborski, Michal Podchlebnik, Szymon Srebrnik, Walter Piller, Yerachmiel Widawski, Mieczyslaw Zurawski, Ernst Burmeister, and Szlama Winer, to name some of those who testified in various ways about gas vans and their uses in just one part of the Wartegau, Kolo County and environs.
 
I guess the Germans destroyed every one of the gas vans and all the pictures of them.

Let me guess. Two soldiers gassed up the van and set out for Jewish people to pack the van so that the exhaust would kill them on the trip back?
Dodging Mynott's questions, I see.
 
In regard to my previous post and CM's apparent bewilderment at the way the SS and SD with their auxiliaries managed to "micromanage" the Jewish population in he General government I came across this fascinating item

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?36517-Soviet-NKVD-Nazi-Gestapo-cooperation-forgotten-story"

A forgotten account of of the various meetings that took place between the Gestapo and the NKVD in occupied Poland 1939-1940. There was much to learn from each other in terms on a variety of security issues.A notable one concerned the way the NKVD was able to deal with, terrorize and subdue National minorities and groups.Their lessons and experiences told the Gestapo a great deal in terms of dealing with, especially in their case, their sizable Jewish population.
But any how I do believe the SS And the Gestapo had already logged up a formidable reputation and experience in controlling and cowering their own population providing a perfect platform for their operations in the "wild east.",with that extra zing provided by the NKVD.
 
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In regard to my previous post and CM's apparent bewilderment at the way the SS and SD with their auxiliaries managed to "micromanage" the Jewish population in he General government I came across this fascinating item
The sum and total of Clayton's "points" come to "woulda, coulda, shoulda" - only in the negatiive version: "wouldn't've, couldn't've, shouldn't've." Other than such silly speculation - based only, as far as one can tell, on Clayton's limited experience in the world, lack of reading about the world and thus warped common sense - Clayton doesn't have anything to offer - and certainly not direct answers to straight questions that require him to know something or to think.
 
Could anyone point me where I can find evidence of people being kill inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)? I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet. I know the German were very methodical and registered everything.

I also looking for someone which could show how to calculate the necessary time to gas and burn an average human body.
 
Could anyone point me where I can find evidence of people being kill inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)? I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet. I know the German were very methodical and registered everything.

I also looking for someone which could show how to calculate the necessary time to gas and burn an average human body.

No one here is your research assistant.
 
Could anyone point me where I can find evidence of people being kill inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)? I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet. I know the German were very methodical and registered everything.

I also looking for someone which could show how to calculate the necessary time to gas and burn an average human body.

Have you tried, oh, I don't know, reading the thread you posted in?!

Or looking somewhere other than "in the Internet"? Like one of those big buildings that are full of actual books...whaddaya call them, lobriries or labriries or something?
 
Could anyone point me where I can find evidence of people being kill inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)? I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet. I know the German were very methodical and registered everything.

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And now?

There are also, for example, documents, that were mentioned here a million times, but you probably can't read them anyway and since your approach is probably just there to waste my time, I wait for your answer to the video above. And don't try to move the goalpost now. Everyone here knows this tactic. And yes tricking people to go into a room, that is about to be filled up with the fumes of two cars is what we call gassing. So don't try to BS me.

Oh and it's really anti german of you to think, "we" would be so stupid to willfully produce the evidence, that shows us guilty of the greatest crime ever commited in history. But hey, if you would think rational, you wouldn't use this argument from ignorance in the first place. You would show us evidence for what the hell really happend at for example Treblinka or Belzec or Sobibor.

I also looking for someone which could show how to calculate the necessary time to gas and burn an average human body.

How about doing this stuff all by yourself. But to safe you the time, you are already wrong, there was nothing average about the body mass of a jew at that time. You know, since there was not only a war going on, but they also starved to death in the ghettos and camps and a good part of the jews were just little innocent kids... :rolleyes:

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I know, sometimes it's fun to mock people, who post insanely stupid stuff, but here it's just silly.

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I think you did not read well. I am asking for videos, pictures and documents produced by the Germans during the WWII which shows a prisoner of concentration camps being gassed.

What you provide was a video of a constructed experiment inside a museum.

The rest of your post is useless and answer none of my questions.

Have you tried, oh, I don't know, reading the thread you posted in?!

Or looking somewhere other than "in the Internet"? Like one of those big buildings that are full of actual books...whaddaya call them, lobriries or labriries or something?

The libraries near me do not hold any historical material from WWII.

You forgot "I'm not an anti-Semite but..."

What is your point?

No one here is your research assistant.

I did not require anyone to perform such role.
 
I think you did not read well. I am asking for videos, pictures and documents produced by the Germans during the WWII which shows a prisoner of concentration camps being gassed.

No, you were asking for "evidence of people being kill[ed] inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)", to include "pictures, videos, [or] documents".

And that's exactly what what you were given.

The libraries near me do not hold any historical material from WWII.

Interlibrary Loan
 
No, you were asking for "evidence of people being kill[ed] inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)", to include "pictures, videos, [or] documents".

And that's exactly what what you were given.

No, nothing like that was provided. Excerpt from the Youtube link provided:

Video from the 'Deadly Medicine' exhibit at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. This film shows naked emaciated psychiatric patients (including a child) being taken into a makeshift gas chamber where they were gassed to death. The commentary at the end is as follows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx4pUKF7I1E

There is a video of people taken into a room. That do not show any gassing or prove that gassing was used to kill people.

So, I am still waiting to watch or verify any SCIENTIFIC document which proves that gassing was used in broad rage to exterminate people in German concentration camps.
 
No, nothing like that was provided. Excerpt from the Youtube link provided:

Video from the 'Deadly Medicine' exhibit at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. This film shows naked emaciated psychiatric patients (including a child) being taken into a makeshift gas chamber where they were gassed to death. The commentary at the end is as follows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx4pUKF7I1E

There is a video of people taken into a room. That do not show any gassing or prove that gassing was used to kill people.

So, I am still waiting to watch or verify any SCIENTIFIC document which proves that gassing was used in broad rage to exterminate people in German concentration camps.

Read the thread. Such evidence has been provided. Over and over and over again. The video is just a succint way of showing that it happened.

It might also help if you defined what kind of evidence you would accept. If you require the Germans to have video cameras in the gas chambers for you to accept that it happened, we can all just put you on ignore and be done with it.
 
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