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uke2se said:
It's in this thread and in the many books about the holocaust. Given your earlier posts, you seem unfamilliar with this invention. Free hint: a book requires you to read the pages inside, not simply the cover.

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Still, where is the evidence?

You write a lot for who said that would ignore me.

So, after all, you can write fictional conclusions about who I am, but you cannot answer the simple questions which I made.

You have failed completely.

Just ignore me.
 
SnakeTongue said:
Still, where is the evidence?
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In this thread and in the many books about the holocaust (which you have to open and read). How many times do someone normally have to repeat himself for you to get it?

SnakeTongue said:
You write a lot for who said that would ignore me.
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I'm having too much fun "failing". :D

SnakeTongue said:
So, after all, you can write fictional conclusions about who I am, but you cannot answer the simple questions which I made.
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I have answered them.

SnakeTongue said:
You have failed completely.
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:dl:

SnakeTongue said:
Just ignore me.
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Nah, not until you get annoying. Right now you're hilarious.
 
SnakeTongue said:
That is irrelevant and will not replace the lack of evidence to prove the supposed mass extermination did by the Germans during the second world war.
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By lack of evidence SnakeTongue means "the abundance of evidence in multiple forms but not in every form for every facet of the Holocaust and not in the particular form I want for the gas chambers."

Did I say inane already?
 
SnakeTongue said:
Still, where is the evidence?
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You have been given a number of suggestions to read through this thread and have been provided at least 3 links to places to review evidence for mass murder, including gas chambers. Yet you ask, with a straight face, "Still, where is the evidence?" You won't know it exists, I will grant you, if you don't even take a peek at it.
 
SnakeTongue said:
Could anyone point me where I can find evidence of people being kill inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)? I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet. I know the German were very methodical and registered everything.

I also looking for someone which could show how to calculate the necessary time to gas and burn an average human body.
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But one place to begin is "Into that Darkness" From Mercy Killing to Mass Murder by Sereny Gitta. The book is based on her extensive interviews with Franz Stangl Commandant Of Treblinka who also helped to set up Sobibor. He provides an outline of the machinery for murder there and Sobibor.including the gassings.Stangl at the time was on trial by A West German Court for his crimes and given life imprisonment.

A book the Holohoax Industry do not like to know about because of Stangl's damning revelations about the true nature of the two death camps.
 
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If SnakeTongue were a defense lawyer in a murder trial, his entire case would consist of him saying, "So what if the prosecutor has Facebook posts from my client saying he was going to kill the victim, YouTube footage that he himself uploaded saying he was going to kill the victim, plans in his handwriting about how the kidnapping and murder was to be carried out, the receipt for the murder weapon charged to his credit card, DNA and fiber and fingerprint evidence showing he was at the crime scene, testimony from witnesses who saw him kidnap and kill the victim, video footage of him actually kidnapping the victim and driving away with the victim in his car, police reports from when he was arrested fleeing the crime scene after leaving his car there, actual footage of him killing other victims, and a signed confession from him admitting to everything. There's no actual footage of him pulling out his gun and shooting the victim on camera, therefore he's obviously not guilty!"
 
Mynott said:
But one place to begin is "Into that Darkness" From Mercy Killing to Mass Murder by Sereny Gitta. The book is based on her extensive interviews with Franz Stangl Commandant Of Treblinka who also helped to set up Sobibor. He provides an outline of the machinery for murder there and Sobibor.including the gassings.Stangl at the time was on trial by A West German Court for his crimes and given life imprisonment.

A book the Holohoax Industry do not like to know about because of Stangl's damning revelations about the true nature of the two death camps.
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Sorry, but books aren't allowed for some reason.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
PS I enjoyed your request for a German WWII video considering video recording was invented in 1951. You do know when WWII was don't you?
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Really? I wonder why the Germans have so many video footages of tanks build from 1939 to 1945, like this:



How they did that? Travelling machine?

You had completely failed.
 
SnakeTongue said:
Really? I wonder why the Germans have so many video footages of tanks build from 1939 to 1945, like this:



How they did that? Travelling machine?
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The hint is the word "video". You might want to look it up.


SnakeTongue said:
You had completely failed.
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Yeah, no.

Another free hint (I'm going to start charging soon enough): If you're going to claim victory in every post you make, it helps if you know what the hell you're talking about.
 
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SnakeTongue said:
Really? I wonder why the Germans have so many video footages of tanks build from 1939 to 1945, like this:



How they did that? Travelling machine?

You had completely failed.
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This is called "film". That's why there are scratches on the footage. "Video Recording" is a post war invention. So you don't even know the difference between "film" and "video" yet you pretend to be researching history..... Do you think Hitler filmed executions on his mobile phone and posted them to friends on the internet?
 
So far I had only one good reference by ANTPogo which I will examine carefully.

That is very good, it is a good starting point.

I have been looking for forensic evidence of the supposed mass extermination and I just can find evidence which proves that were no gas chambers for execution.

So if there was not gas chamber for killing purpose, why the allegation of mass extermination by gas?

That is what I do not understand. I do not deny the Germans persecute people and put them in concentration camps. That is very well documented.

But when the subject comes to prove the mass extermination, there is no evidence presented...

So where is the evidence?
 
SnakeTongue said:
So far I had only one good reference by ANTPogo which I will examine carefully.

That is very good, it is a good starting point.

I have been looking for forensic evidence of the supposed mass extermination and I just can find evidence which proves that were no gas chambers for execution.
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Please provide this evidence. It will be good for a laugh.

SnakeTongue said:
So if there was not gas chamber for killing purpose, why the allegation of mass extermination by gas?
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There were gas chambers for killing purposes, so your premise is wrong.

SnakeTongue said:
That is what I do not understand. I do not deny the Germans persecute people and put them in concentration camps. That is very well documented.

But when the subject comes to prove the mass extermination, there is no evidence presented...
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If by "no evidence" you actually mean "loads of evidence" you are correct.

SnakeTongue said:
So where is the evidence?
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In this thread and in the many books about the holocaust (which you must open and read). Starting to sink in yet?
 
Matthew Ellard said:
So you don't even know the difference between "film" and "video" yet you pretend to be researching history.....
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That is true. Because English is not my mother language I thought video and film had the same meaning.

But that is not the point. The point is I asking evidence which can be a film.

So far there is no films of the supposed mass extermination.

If there is, show me and I will glad watch it!
 
SnakeTongue said:
But when the subject comes to prove the mass extermination, there is no evidence presented...

So where is the evidence?
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As a starting point for your "I refuse to read books research", would you accept Himmler himself describing the executions in his own voice in a recording? Would that be acceptable to you? You do know who Himmler was, don't you?
 
SnakeTongue said:
That is true. Because English is not my mother language I thought video and film had the same meaning.

But that is not the point. The point is I asking evidence which can be a film.

So far there is no films of the supposed mass extermination.

If there is, show me and I will glad watch it!
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Did you expect the germans to film themselves murdering Jews?

Would you consider film of the murder scene complete with victim as evidence that a murder took place?
 
Matthew Ellard said:
As a starting point for your "I refuse to read books research", would you accept Himmler himself describing the executions in his own voice in a recording? Would that be acceptable to you? You do know who Himmler was, don't you?
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No, who he was?

Where I can hear the voice recording?

When and where that was recorded?

It is in English?
 
SnakeTongue said:
That is true. Because English is not my mother language I thought video and film had the same meaning.
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Rubbish. You are typing here in English on an English language forum and pretended to be doing research into WWII. ....yet you are confused by simple anachronisms by asking for WWII "videos" and refuse to read the books that answer your questions.

You are basically saying "It is my personal opinion, without reading any books on the subject, that the Germans must have filmed the executions at...say Treblinka and therefore if members of an American skeptic forum can't provide me "video" there were no mass executions"

Why would the Germans send a team to film executions at Treblinka? Propaganda purposes? Would such footage assist them in their international fight over Katyn? Please describe your theory in detail. I need a laugh.
 
uke2se said:
Already done many times in this thread and in the many books about the holocaust. Perhaps you should consider reading a few of them.

What kind of forensic samples?
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The kind which proves that were gas chambers used to kill people.
 
SnakeTongue said:
I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet.
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So after a vigorous five second search of the internet I locate Himmler's recording and inform SnakeTongue....who unfortunately doesn't know who Himmler is.

SnakeTongue said:
No, who he was?

Where I can hear the voice recording?

When and where that was recorded?

It is in English?
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Here it is....( It seems you haven't even looked at the internet either)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a_cmbi3iIg
 
ANTPogo said:
What would that look like?

Or, in other words, fill in the blank: "If there were gas chambers that were used to kill people, I would expect to see..."
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I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.

What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.
 
SnakeTongue said:
I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.
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Yes, it pretty much is. You need to present your standards for accepting evidence in advance. If you don't, whatever we provide will be just handwaved by you. So, please provide your standards. What kind of evidence would you accept, precisely?

SnakeTongue said:
What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.
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There is no "both sides". There is history and there is the loons. Do you look at "both sides" of the creationism-evolution "dispute"? Do you look at "both sides" in the "moon landing hoax dispute"? Do you think a handful of ideologues and liars constitute a "side"?
 
SnakeTongue said:
I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.

What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.
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Mondial said:
The "evidence" for the "gas vans" www.codoh.com/found/fndwagon.html is just as bogus as the "evidence" for the "gas chambers" www.geniebusters.org/915/04g_gas.html A new book blasting the lie of the "gas vans" www.holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=24
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http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html
http://www.holocaustdenier.com/
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6912


The best way to understand the Holocaust lie is to read the original lies, fabrications, and exaggerations. Many of which were cast aside because they were easily disproved. When I believed the Holocaust without question I also never questioned the FACT that the Germans made soap from the bodies of Jewish people.

The Holocaust is a huge jigsaw of events that cannot be linked together because they simply don't fit. Bottom line the Holocaust lie has the German Military performing 48 to 64/7 as opposed to the 24/7 of the opposing armies. No matter they were fighting and losing a war being fought on multiple fronts.
 
SnakeTongue said:
Prove me wrong.

Present your evidence.

There is any forensic samples which proves the alleged gas chambers were really gas chambers?
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Would you also like an affidavit from one of the Jews who were gassed?
 
SnakeTongue said:
I do not want to select which kind of evidence will fit my questions. That is not scepticism.

What is important is the presence of reliable evidence for a rational examination.

You provided good links to pages which present forensic evidence and studies.

That is very good because I do not want ready a whole book about the subject. I prefer learn from articles from both sides of the dispute.
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There's no dispute.

If I kicked you in the shins and you said 'ouch' would that be a dispute?
 
Clayton Moore said:
http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html
http://www.holocaustdenier.com/
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6912


The best way to understand the Holocaust lie is to read the original lies, fabrications, and exaggerations. Many of which were cast aside because they were easily disproved. When I believed the Holocaust without question I also never questioned the FACT that the Germans made soap from the bodies of Jewish people.

The Holocaust is a huge jigsaw of events that cannot be linked together because they simply don't fit. Bottom line the Holocaust lie has the German Military performing 48 to 64/7 as opposed to the 24/7 of the opposing armies. No matter they were fighting and losing a war being fought on multiple fronts.
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Moving millions by rail was impossible for the German military?
 
Clayton Moore said:
The best way to understand the Holocaust lie is to read the original lies, fabrications, and exaggerations. Many of which were cast aside because they were easily disproved.
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You mean like "No Holes, No Holocaust"?

Or more like "Chemistry is not the science"?

Or is that "No soil disturbance at Treblinka"?

Or are you finally owning up to your own lie about THHP?

The Holocaust lies are all yours, CM. And you don't cast them aside, you just pretend they were never told...
 
SnakeTongue said:
I think you did not read well. I am asking for videos, pictures and documents produced by the Germans during the WWII which shows a prisoner of concentration camps being gassed.

What you provide was a video of a constructed experiment inside a museum.
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What part of "And don't try to move the goalpost now" didn't you understand? Your post was:

SnakeTongue said:
Could anyone point me where I can find evidence of people being kill inside a gas chamber (from 1939 to 1945 in German controlled facilities)? I have been looking for pictures, videos, documents, but I cannot find anything in the Internet.
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So you wanted:
a) a video with
b) people in it being killed in
c) a gas chamber
d) by germans

It's in my last post, I'm done. What you just did is raise the bar, now suddenly I have to prove to you too, that the video is not staged. This is a sceptics board, we all know the moving the goalpost fallacy.

This video was of course taken by the germans. It was found by the allies. But hey, since you are the one, who now claims that this one is staged: PROVE IT! Who staged it, who are the actors in the video, when was it staged, and so on and on, you have absolutly nothing.

SnakeTongue said:
The rest of your post is useless and answer none of my questions.
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Hmm that's odd. When I read the rest of my last post, I can see it adressing your post well, I even mentioned the logical fallacies in it, you commited. So again, how stupid do you think I'm? Everyone knows this standard answer for a post, that just kicked your racist nutty ideas in the balls. So did you do the math on the graves? Do you have evidence for Treblinka just being a transit camp?

No, you don't have anything. Everytime one asks you holocaust deniers for positive evidence you just put your finger in the ears, dance around and sing lalala.

LemmyCaution said:
Point well taken. I cannot think of a good reason.
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Yeah, as you can see, you are not the only wasting his time. I did get a warning for my last post for the breach of the rule "Attack the argument, not the arguer", which is kind of ironic, but never mind, I better just shut up, before I get banned. :)

SnakeTongue said:
No, nothing like that was provided. Excerpt from the Youtube link provided:

Video from the 'Deadly Medicine' exhibit at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. This film shows naked emaciated psychiatric patients (including a child) being taken into a makeshift gas chamber where they were gassed to death. The commentary at the end is as follows.
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You do realise, that even the video was recorded inside the museum, the film that is shown is still real?

SnakeTongue said:
There is a video of people taken into a room. That do not show any gassing or prove that gassing was used to kill people.
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Not just a room, a room, that was about to being filled with the fumes of two cars. THIS is called gassing, it's exactly what you wanted.
 
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