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Old 14th June 2013, 02:36 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Quinn View Post
Strangely enough, my own answer -- "Grow the **** up and deal with it" -- hasn't proven terribly popular among either theists or atheists.
Maybe it's high time for skeptics to grow up, too ...
Religion is already a substitute for drugs, i.e. "the opium of the people", so weed wouldn't make much difference ...

If you have things like irrigation and proper housing, that is if you don't expect to become a victim of the elements on a regular basis, you don't need to pray to a god for protection against rain, drought, hurricanes etc.
If you have proper food on the table (due to irrigation etc.), you don't have to ask a deity for your daily bread.
And if you have proper health care, you don't need to see a witch doctor.
Telling somebody who doesn't have access to proper health care to stop being so superstitious is both stupid and cynical ...

Read Phil Zuckerman's Society without God.
Zuckerman about his book on youtube.

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
"Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht
"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx
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