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Rob Menard's FOTL Claims II

Horatius said:
I think they have said something like this at one point or another.

Most of the flavors of Freemanism identify some specific date in history as the day we went from having a "real" government "of the people", to having a "corporate" government run by THEM. The dates vary, but one often cited is 1933, when the US went off the Gold Standard. Since the old version of Black's Law Dictionary predates this, it can be trusted to tell us the "real meanings" of these words.

Clearly, any version of Black's from after this point will be tainted by THEM for their own nefarious purposes.

Other dates I've seen include the creation of Income Tax in Canada, during WWI, and the establishment of the District of Columbia as distinct from the United States. I'm sure you could find similar dates for the UK.
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Someone posted a couple of years ago about a group that claims this happened in 1861 when Congress adjourned after 11 states purported to have seceded from the Union, because Congress ceased to have a quorum, and permanently put itself out of business when it adjourned, because it couldn't lawfully fix a time to reconvene without a quorum.

This claim ignores two crucial facts: First, the number of Senators and Representatives in question constituted fewer than 1/3 of each chamber, and second, the time for Congress to meet each year is defined by the US Constitution.
 
Freemen pseudo-scholars cherry pick their way through history and law until they find something they think will help their cause.

Since the cult has no internal controls just about anything goes. As we have seen the crew is not above using made up case law language.

The basic tenets of freeman psuedo-law, IMHO, are:

1. All law is strictly contract law, thus allowing freemen to simply contract in and out of the legal system as needed.

2. The Supremacy Clauses of the constitutions of each western democracy are to be ignored thus allowing freemen to substitute their own made up brand of common law for established constitutional, statute and case law.

Developing or just repeating and presenting freeman law is a skill set that, if done well, can raise the individual freeman's status and even result in donations, speaker fees, free breakfasts, complimentary brews and bongs, and all the perks of freeman celebrity.
 
arayder said:
Freemen pseudo-scholars cherry pick their way through history and law until they find something they think will help their cause.

Since the cult has no internal controls just about anything goes. As we have seen the crew is not above using made up case law language.

The basic tenets of freeman psuedo-law, IMHO, are:

1. All law is strictly contract law, thus allowing freemen to simply contract in and out of the legal system as needed.

2. The Supremacy Clauses of the constitutions of each western democracy are to be ignored thus allowing freemen to substitute their own made up brand of common law for established constitutional, statute and case law.

Developing or just repeating and presenting freeman law is a skill set that, if done well, can raise the individual freeman's status and even result in donations, speaker fees, free breakfasts, complimentary brews and bongs, and all the perks of freeman celebrity.
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I have often joked about turning to he dark side - I think I could make a comfortable living as a pet psychic. But the clients of pet psychics do not hospitalize people or murder police1. I could not be a Freeman/Sovereign guru because if I read about that type of violence in the paper, I would know that I was part of a movement in which innocent people are injured or killed. ANd even if I could pretend that I was not tied to such violence, I could not look at all the people who ended up behind bars for doing things I told them to do and then enjoy the odd free breakfast or round of beers.


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(1) West Memphis, Arkansas, 2010
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Freeman gurus, Menard and Clifford in particular, have convinced themselves that the harm their woo causes their followers is really the fault of the powers that be, judges, cops and bankers.

A few freemen like, Ben Lowry, have figured out that no matter how much the freeman subculture may wish their theories were valid, they are not.

I believe that for too many freemen and their gurus the woo they pitch is nothing more than a dysfunctional reconciliation of the problems they have had with authority figures since childhood.

For these self serving gurus an admission that their theories are the product of poor scholarship, sustained by group denial, would be akin to an honest appraisal of their life long failures.

Most of us can, with support, handle this sort of honesty. But when one has spent decades blaming everybody from daddy, to the hockey coach, to the traffic court judge for ones self made problems pathological denial becomes the rule.
 
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hgus said:
How does it work on facebook? Who is posting when World Freeman Society post a link? IE who is the poster named World Freeman Society?
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I'm reasonably certain that is Peter, the WFS site admin.

And it is a most delicious irony, that a anarchic and government-hating movement post links to a totalitarian state and use it as a model. The nazis would send the freemen to Gestapos cellars in no time. Not a very tolerant bunch the nazis.
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Indeed. And Peter is busy passionately defending Hiter and Nazi Germany over on the WFS forums. Even some of the faithful are starting to question this madness.

Here are few choice quotes from freedom-loving Peter at WFS:

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"Adolf Hitler fought for our future and freedom."

"Winston Churchill, Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Stalin were all Jews backed by the same Jewish Bank Gangsters that run the show today.
Hitler who was God fearing, as well as his Arm which consisted of ALL religions, were fighting Communism which was Godless.
Communism is what we globally see today as a Free and Democratic Society, where anyone can own your ASSets, buy into your country, lobby the **** away your rights because you have no say, and you walk around in the illusion that you are free.

In Germany and Europe, Hitler was fighting for your rights, freeing you from the Bank Gangsters and giving everyone equal rights."

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Hitler love fest starts at page 3 of this thread:
https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/thinker2-threads/111528-socialism-fail?start=12

And some more of the faithful questioning WFS' new direction here:
https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/thinker2-threads/113177-what-s-going-on

And who is responsible for Peter's conversion to Nazism?

"You see, what I ave realised, and I am no thicky thicky, is mainly from Rob and his films and teachings is thatit is OK to question things."
https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/thinker2-threads/111528-socialism-fail?start=30#124668


Menard must be so proud. So, Canada and other western democracies are fascist tyrannies, while the beacon for freedom and equality and the model for WFS to emulate is...Nazi Germany.

You couldn't make this **** up.
 
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arayder said:
Freeman gurus, Menard and Clifford in particular, have convinced themselves that the harm their woo causes their followers is really the fault of the powers that be, judges, cops and bankers.

A few freemen like, Ben Lowry, have figured out that no matter how much the freeman subculture may wish their theories were valid, they are not.

I believe that for too many freemen and their gurus the woo they pitch is nothing more than a dysfunctional reconciliation of the problems they have had with authority figures since childhood.

For these self serving gurus an admission that their theories are the product of poor scholarship, sustained by group denial, would be akin to an honest appraisal of their life long failures.

Most of us can, with support, handle this sort of honesty. But when one has spent decades blaming everybody from daddy, to the hockey coach, to the traffic court judge for ones self made problems pathological denial becomes the rule.
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Interesting.
I had often wondered why World Freeman Menard missed so many strategic moves that could have advanced the Freeman movement. You theory does provide a believable explanation for many of his actions.
 
Ladewig said:
Interesting.
I had often wondered why World Freeman Menard missed so many strategic moves that could have advanced the Freeman movement. You theory does provide a believable explanation for many of his actions.
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Showing that same poor judgement our subject is now busy excusing his deficient scholarship and pathological denial of reality by pretending his debunkers support corruption and tyranny.

Leaving aside the irony of Mr. Menard, newly in the embrace of the Third Reich, assuming anyone who dares question him endorses corruption and tyranny, one is tempted to challenge our subject to provide one instance that proves his accusation.

In light of Bobby's spineless failure to prove his claim to be a peace officer, or answer any other question or challenge. . . why bother.
 
I see that nasty little specimen Jackie G has piped up and surprise, surprise is linking to The Gnostic Liberation Front. You know things are bad when BMXNinja is getting uncomfortable!
 
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D'rok said:
I'm reasonably certain that is Peter, the WFS site admin.

Indeed. And Peter is busy passionately defending Hiter and Nazi Germany over on the WFS forums. Even some of the faithful are starting to question this madness.

Here are few choice quotes from freedom-loving Peter at WFS:

====================================

"Adolf Hitler fought for our future and freedom."

"Winston Churchill, Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Stalin were all Jews backed by the same Jewish Bank Gangsters that run the show today.
Hitler who was God fearing, as well as his Arm which consisted of ALL religions, were fighting Communism which was Godless.
Communism is what we globally see today as a Free and Democratic Society, where anyone can own your ASSets, buy into your country, lobby the **** away your rights because you have no say, and you walk around in the illusion that you are free.

In Germany and Europe, Hitler was fighting for your rights, freeing you from the Bank Gangsters and giving everyone equal rights."

================================

Hitler love fest starts at page 3 of this thread:
https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/thinker2-threads/111528-socialism-fail?start=12

And some more of the faithful questioning WFS' new direction here:
https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/thinker2-threads/113177-what-s-going-on

And who is responsible for Peter's conversion to Nazism?

"You see, what I ave realised, and I am no thicky thicky, is mainly from Rob and his films and teachings is thatit is OK to question things."
https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/thinker2-threads/111528-socialism-fail?start=30#124668


Menard must be so proud. So, Canada and other western democracies are fascist tyrannies, while the beacon for freedom and equality and the model for WFS to emulate is...Nazi Germany.

You couldn't make this **** up.
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This is entirely consistent with the origins of the sovereign citizenry.
 
Menard should distance himself from FMOTL bearing in mind the route it seems to be taking.
Menard has never had the stomach for battle (his lack of action in the past proves that)and he will be forced into one if he sticks around with the current new recruits.
 
I honestly dont think this nazi lovefest is Menards cup of tea. But if you are a freeman mainly because of your hatred of the banks who want their money back it all makes sense, in a sick way.

Banks are evil
Banks are controled by the jews
Jews are evil
The third reich hated the evil jews
Ergo the third reich was good
 
Quick note:

There is no such thing as a "Freeman on The Land"
It's fantasy gibberish that Menard poorly copied.

For the hard of hearing I will happily turn that into a 20ft long bright purple webpage by using 1982 technologies.
 
D'rok said:
. . Peter is busy passionately defending Hiter and Nazi Germany over on the WFS forums.

"Adolf Hitler fought for our future and freedom."

"Winston Churchill, Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Stalin were all Jews backed by the same Jewish Bank Gangsters that run the show today.'

"In Germany and Europe, Hitler was fighting for your rights, freeing you from the Bank Gangsters and giving everyone equal rights."

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"You see, what I ave realised, and I am no thicky thicky, is mainly from Rob and his films and teachings is thatit is OK to question things"
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gtm said:
This is entirely consistent with the origins of the sovereign citizenry.
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After taking a decade to develop a cult completely devoid of critical thought what would one expect?

After years of freemanary's demonizing of judges, cops, bankers and teachers should we be surprise that their hatred and prejudice should eventually be directed at jews?

Shame on you freemen!
 
arayder said:
After taking a decade to develop a cult completely devoid of critical thought what would one expect?
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Yep, and this is why any response of ours to any Menardian "No True Freeman" excuses should be met with "We Told You so, Dickface".

When you spend years training people to believe completely baseless ********, you cannot absolve yourself of responsibility when those same people turn around and start believing in a whole new pile of baseless ********. You reap what you sow, Menard.
 
arayder said:
After taking a decade to develop a cult completely devoid of critical thought what would one expect?
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I think you have to be devoid of critical though in order to join. The freeman way just supports that lack of ability.

Simple sheep looking for a message to follow. Director Menard leads the way. Well, up until the cliff anyway. At the edge, he yells encouragement to the sheep to grow wings. Clearly they did something wrong if they hit the ground.
 
Horatius said:
When you spend years training people to believe completely baseless ********, you cannot absolve yourself of responsibility when those same people turn around and start believing in a whole new pile of baseless ********. You reap what you sow, Menard.
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Nazism doesn't at all, match up with the WFS general statements of love, universal acceptance and freedom.

Menard wouldn't have to play the hated enforcer role to nip the growing fotl/nazi movement in the bud. Had he a spine all he'd have to do is repeat the cult's "mission statement" and point out that racial hatred isn't part of the plan.

I suspect his problem is that the source of the nazi propaganda is the site administrator, one of the doers in the fotl cult, the couch sitting Menard duped into doing the actual work.

Now the ole boy's gone off the reservation.

If that's the case, with the fotl cult teetering on the edge of madness and irrelevance there isn't anything Menard can do about it. Captain Couch lacks the authoritative control of the website needed to end the embarrassment and after years of trading loony ideas for bong hits, drawing a moral line in the sand isn't going to work for him.

You made the bed, Bobby. Now sleep in it!
 
BangBang said:
Looks like Rob is quite happy for the nazis to take over. Thinker2 over there emailed Rob if it was true that WFS is now a nazi front. He received a very curt reply,

https://public.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/thinker2-threads/113177-what-s-going-on?start=12
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The wheels are coming off.

Following the PR disasters of the Calgary and Albertan squats, the nazification of the WFS couldn't come at a worse time.

So who's gonna' send a couple of WFS links to the Canadian media?
 
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