Gays Killed JFK?

Walter Ego

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JFK Assassination A Homosexual Thrill Killing? :jaw-dropp

"[Journalist James] Phelan had written a favorable article about Jim Garrison in the Saturday Evening Post, and thus Garrison was willing to give Phelan an "exclusive" story, outlining the DA's "findings" about the assassination. Garrison arranged to meet Phelan in Las Vegas, and tell him about his case against Clay Shaw." (source)

In an effort to get Garrison's story into focus, I asked him the motive of the Kennedy conspirators. He told me that the murder at Dallas had been a homosexual plot.

"They had the same motive as Loeb and Leopold, when they murdered Bobbie Franks in Chicago back in the twenties," Garrison said. "It was a homosexual thrill-killing, plus the excitement of getting away with a perfect crime. John Kennedy was everything that Dave Ferrie was not — a successful, handsome, popular, wealthy, virile man. You can just picture the charge Ferrie got out of plotting his death."

I asked how he had learned that the murder was a homosexual plot.

"Look at the people involved," Garrison said. "Dave Ferrie, homosexual. Clay Shaw, homosexual. Jack Ruby, homosexual."

"Ruby was a homosexual?"

"Sure, we dug that out," Garrison said. "His homosexual nickname was Pinkie. That's three. Then there was Lee Harvey Oswald."

But Oswald was married and had two children, I pointed out.

"A switch-hitter who couldn't satisfy his wife," Garrison said. "That's all in the Warren Report." He named two more "key figures" whom he labeled homosexual.

"That's six homosexuals in the plot," Garrison said. "One or maybe two, okay. But all six homosexual? How far can you stretch the arm of coincidence?"

I told him that was an intriguing theory, but it wasn't evidence he could present to a court.

(James Phelan, Scandals, Scamps, and Scoundrels, pp. 150-151.)
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Walter, I'm glad to see you're moving away from that 9/11 stuff into a field that's so much more important.

I can see no direct connection between homosexuality and the JFK assassination, except, as you point out, some involved in it were gay. But most gays would seemingly have nothing to do with this, and it's hard to imagine a secret underground gay organzation or government that would carry this out.

My suggestion? Homosexual desire is a side effect of the brain washing techniques used on those involved. I'm not well-informed about JFK type stuff, but a few other theories spring to mind. Perhaps it's related to the HAARP prototypes that were being tested at the time. What do you think?
 
I think Bugliosi goes into this a lot re: Garrison and Shaw and suggests that at least part of Garrison's hounding of Shaw was based on anti-homosexual prejudice. I can't remember exactly how much.

One thing I found somewhat amusing in the film of JFK is that when Dave Ferrie got flustered and confused about what he and "the boys" were up to one night and tried to explain they were out hunting, Kevin Costner appears to think the most obvious explanation is that they were out planning JFK's assassination when the fact that it was 1960's Louisiana suggests that that would have been considered a far lesser crime than a gay orgy.
 
angrysoba said:
I think Bugliosi goes into this a lot re: Garrison and Shaw and suggests that at least part of Garrison's hounding of Shaw was based on anti-homosexual prejudice. I can't remember exactly how much.
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Garrison definitely liked to prosecute homosexuals but the morphing of the imaginary conspirator Clay Bertrant into the real life Clay Shaw developed from the hypnotically induced "testimony" of Perry Russo. Here's a video I uploaded to You Tube today cued up to the relevant section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzg0_462Pn8&feature=player_detailpage#t=439s
 
Of course this fantasy angle was used in Stone's film JFK, along with so many people involved in the conspiracy to "off" JFK that tens of millions were involved.

As for Garrison his disgusting and spectacularily abusive vendetta against Clay Shaw was a judicial abomination. Stone's movie JFK is a studied and calculated assasination of Clay Shaw.

it is ironic that Clay Shaw sued Garrison for libel, slander, and Garrison and his lawyers came to a settlement with Shaw and his Lawyers but then Shaw died before the settlement was finalized. In Louisiana at the time if the plaintiff in a defamation suit died during the suit the claim dies with them. This enabled Garrison years later to publish his lies and libel Clay Shaw yet again. If Shaw had lived another year we would propably have been spared On the Trail of the Assassins and JFK.
 
Pacal said:
Of course this fantasy angle was used in Stone's film JFK, along with so many people involved in the conspiracy to "off" JFK that tens of millions were involved.

As for Garrison his disgusting and spectacularily abusive vendetta against Clay Shaw was a judicial abomination. Stone's movie JFK is a studied and calculated assasination of Clay Shaw.

it is ironic that Clay Shaw sued Garrison for libel, slander, and Garrison and his lawyers came to a settlement with Shaw and his Lawyers but then Shaw died before the settlement was finalized. In Louisiana at the time if the plaintiff in a defamation suit died during the suit the claim dies with them. This enabled Garrison years later to publish his lies and libel Clay Shaw yet again. If Shaw had lived another year we would propably have been spared On the Trail of the Assassins and JFK.
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The most disgusting aspect of the Oliver Stone movie for me was the blatant gay bashing and the continued character assassination of Shaw. The evil diabolical "fag" villain that flourished briefly in American movies in the early 1970s had thankfully mostly disappeared but Stone saw fit to revive it.

Garrison thrived in the political and police corruption that was epidemic in the Louisiana and New Orleans politics of that era which continues in somewhat diminished form to this day. After the Shaw trail fiasco amazingly he survived in office until 1973 when he was defeated by Harry Connick, Sr.

I was unaware of the Shaw defamation suit against Garrison. Garrison's reckless harassment of Shaw doubtless hastened Shaw's death in 1974. Shaw was only 61 when he died.
 
Walter Ego said:
The most disgusting aspect of the Oliver Stone movie for me was the blatant gay bashing and the continued character assassination of Shaw. The evil diabolical "fag" villain that flourished briefly in American movies in the early 1970s had thankfully mostly disappeared but Stone saw fit to revive it.

Garrison thrived in the political and police corruption that was epidemic in the Louisiana and New Orleans politics of that era which continues in somewhat diminished form to this day. After the Shaw trail fiasco amazingly he survived in office until 1973 when he was defeated by Harry Connick, Sr.

I was unaware of the Shaw defamation suit against Garrison. Garrison's reckless harassment of Shaw doubtless hastened Shaw's death in 1974. Shaw was only 61 when he died.
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Yeah, Bugliosi goes into this and suggests that Garrison's vindictive behaviour led Shaw to an early grave. It's thoroughly repugnant that almost anyone who even knows of Garrison and Shaw thinks the former is a hero and the latter is a villain. Bugliosi makes it clear, in no uncertain terms, that the opposite is true and that Garrison was an utter disgrace and a phoney and a fraud - absolutely nothing like Kevin Costner's portrayal of him.
 
Huh, so Kevin Costner is an *******. I kinda suspected it after hearing how he tried to screw over the guys making Tombstone so it wouldn't interfere with his latest attempt to bore cinema audiences to death.
 
angrysoba said:
Yeah, Bugliosi goes into this and suggests that Garrison's vindictive behaviour led Shaw to an early grave. It's thoroughly repugnant that almost anyone who even knows of Garrison and Shaw thinks the former is a hero and the latter is a villain. Bugliosi makes it clear, in no uncertain terms, that the opposite is true and that Garrison was an utter disgrace and a phoney and a fraud - absolutely nothing like Kevin Costner's portrayal of him.
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Bugliosi's attack on Garrison is the true disgrace. For those who would like to read about just some of the numerous errors, omissions, and distortions in Bugliosi's "book for the ages," here are some useful links:

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Essay_-_Vincent_Bugliosis_Misnamed_Reclaiming_History
By Dr. David R. Wrone, historian

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Essay_-_Reply_From_a_Conspiracy_Believer
By Gaeton Fonzi, former HSCA investigator

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/ind...inding_That_Oswald_Acted_Alone_in_killing_JFK
By Dr. Josiah Thompson

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/ind...tron_Activation_Analysis_Proves_Oswalds_Guilt
By Dr. Gary Aguilar

Truly, Bugliosi's Reclaiming History is one of the most misleading, inaccurate, polemical books ever written on the JFK assassination.
 
bobtaftfan said:
Truly, Bugliosi's Reclaiming History is one of the most misleading, inaccurate, polemical books ever written on the JFK assassination.
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I very much doubt many people who have read Garrisons books would agree.

Garrison seems to have found extensive proof of the homosexual sub culture of New Orleans and convinced himself it was something to do with JFK. Even writing his own versions of events, with no critique and putting everything in the best possible light Garrison can justify his beliefs to his own satisfaction, but in no meaningful way that would ever have stood in court. And did not stand in court as it turned out.
 
Just to put that into context. I'm pretty sure the Lobster (and other CT advicates) was fairly critical of Garrison, even while accepting faked photos of Oswald and multiple shooters....
 
"It was a homosexual thrill-killing, plus the excitement of getting away with a perfect crime. John Kennedy was everything that Dave Ferrie was not — a successful, handsome, popular, wealthy, virile man.
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Reading this, it conveys that Garrison must have been squirming when he was saying this, due to the discomfort of that raging erection.
 
I still can't post URLs here, but my website has a lot of articles and research resources on Garrison's psychotic witch-hunt. JFK-online-dot-com

Dave
 
dreitzes said:
I still can't post URLs here, but my website has a lot of articles and research resources on Garrison's psychotic witch-hunt. JFK-online-dot-com

Dave
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And what a great website it is. Seriously, thank you for your work. Just the "One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK" alone is indispensable.

http://www.jfk-online.com/
 
kookbreaker said:
Did Garrison tell the truth about anything?
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I can only go by what my home folks that lived their whole lives in NOLA say, and that is that Garrison was a poor DA and a full time fool - and that's completely seperate from any JFK conspiracy nonsense.

I'm sure everybody has heard the old saying that a DA can get a grand jury to return an indictment on a ham sandwich?

The joke I've heard said about Garrison is that he'd try to indict a ham sandwich, fail, eat the sandwich and then wonder where it went to.
 
BStrong said:
I can only go by what my home folks that lived their whole lives in NOLA say, and that is that Garrison was a poor DA and a full time fool - and that's completely seperate from any JFK conspiracy nonsense.

I'm sure everybody has heard the old saying that a DA can get a grand jury to return an indictment on a ham sandwich?

The joke I've heard said about Garrison is that he'd try to indict a ham sandwich, fail, eat the sandwich and then wonder where it went to.
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One of my favorite quotes about Garrison comes from Harold Weisberg, the cantankerous founding father of Kennedy assassination research, who worked with Garrison for a while before realizing that Big Jim was just basically full of you-know-what. When Weisberg learned that Oliver Stone was making Garrison the hero of "JFK," he fired off a letter to Stone that contained this immortal line:

"You have every right to play Mack Sennett in a Keystone Kops 'Pink Panther,' but as an investigator, Jim Garrison could not find a pubic hair in a whorehouse at rush hour."

What Garrison did to try to destroy people who got in his way was anything but a joke, though. Another quote about Big Jim comes from an attorney who'd once worked for him as an assistant DA, prior to the JFK probe. Milton Brener wrote one of the most thorough analyses of Garrison's witch-hunt, "The Garrison Case: A Study in the Abuse of Power." Discussing some of the bold claims Garrison made early in his investigation -- like having solved the assassination and possessing proof beyond any doubt -- Brener writes:

"'Certainly,' said many in New Orleans, 'Garrison must have something.' A man in his position would be stupid, indeed, to make such statements without some solid evidence -- and Garrison was certainly not stupid. Overlooked by many who so reasoned was the clear possibility that the man was stark, raving mad."

More here:

http://www.jfk-online.com/garrison.html

Dave
 
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