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Old 30th July 2010, 09:19 AM   #324
Tinyal
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I see the AA supporters are still ignoring the fact that I posted the

information on actual studies previously in my posts. Since they appear to have a problem finding them, I'll place links here - these refer to the studies, court cases, data that show a 95% (or greater) failure rate for AA, etc: The following links do make for a bit of reading, but I urge everyone to read the following material if they are interested in learning more about the religious nature & cult aspects of AA.

One more thing I will repeat - and keep repeating until AA supporters either stop lying about what AA is, or stop intentionally lying about what I am asserting:


AA is flatly religious. Dozens of major courts have ruled AA is religious. AA's material is nearly completely religious. It appears to help the same people (around 5%) as get sober on their own willpower, those who are ready and willing to quit already - the same 5%, not additive. Another way to put that - doing nothing has the same failure / success rate as AA. And, if you are in a group that doesn't use the 12 steps, the big book, or the 12x12 as written, and you are sober - great!! But stop claiming such a thing is an AA group - if it's not religious & spiritual, it's not AA..if god and the higher power is removed from your program & group, it's not AA - it's something else. If it's worked for you, well then I'm happy for you - but stop claiming it's AA.

AA's Failure Rate
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...s62.html#coins

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...181.html#Green

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...8.html#success

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...tml#what_works

The Effectiveness of the 12 Steps
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html
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