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Old 30th July 2010, 11:42 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by Tinyal View Post
information on actual studies previously in my posts. Since they appear to have a problem finding them, I'll place links here - these refer to the studies, court cases, data that show a 95% (or greater) failure rate for AA, etc: The following links do make for a bit of reading, but I urge everyone to read the following material if they are interested in learning more about the religious nature & cult aspects of AA.

One more thing I will repeat - and keep repeating until AA supporters either stop lying about what AA is, or stop intentionally lying about what I am asserting:


AA is flatly religious. Dozens of major courts have ruled AA is religious. AA's material is nearly completely religious. It appears to help the same people (around 5%) as get sober on their own willpower, those who are ready and willing to quit already - the same 5%, not additive. Another way to put that - doing nothing has the same failure / success rate as AA. And, if you are in a group that doesn't use the 12 steps, the big book, or the 12x12 as written, and you are sober - great!! But stop claiming such a thing is an AA group - if it's not religious & spiritual, it's not AA..if god and the higher power is removed from your program & group, it's not AA - it's something else. If it's worked for you, well then I'm happy for you - but stop claiming it's AA.

AA's Failure Rate
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...s62.html#coins

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...181.html#Green

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...8.html#success

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...tml#what_works

The Effectiveness of the 12 Steps
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html
Have you actually read the crap that you post? The Orange Papers!?!?!?!?!?!?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Did you see how he arrived at his numbers!?!?!? Yea, real scientific. Try working on that resentment. You might feel better.
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