Originally Posted by
debv
I think what Wiley is claiming there is that if 20-year-old women are healthy with cycling hormones at those levels, then 70-year-old women will be healthy, women with cancer will be healthy, etc. If it's safe for the young, then it must be safe for everyone.
That's her "clinical study".
Two deliberate rhetorical arguments here. First, the premise is that the decline in sex hormones initiates the diseases of aging. From this came Willey's theory that replacing hormones in the same rhythm as a normal cycle was the key. This is Rhythm in "Rhythmic Living," and Debv and Co. have never acknowledged that Wiley invented the idea. No claim was ever made that the WIley Protocol would cure cancer, for example.
That isn't the "clinical" study, the clinical study is the experience of over 70 doctors that I KNOW OF (all listed on the website) administering the protocol to their patients. There are many other doctors prescribing the protocol through non-registered pharmacies, so their experience is not known.
Also, you need to examine Debv's comments carefully. Here is a bit from the Rhythmic Living website about Bent Formby:
"He has published more than 100 scientific publications and is a member of several societies including the European Menopause Society, the New York Academy of Sciences and the Danish Academy of Sciences."
Fact - on most of those papers, he is not the first author, a charge Debv levels at TS Wiley
Fact - In over 25 years in US, Formby has joined exactly one medical/scientific society - The New York Academy of Sciences. Debv derides Wiley for joining that society as one that requires no academic credentials. She considers it a sham, but does not mention it in Formby's credentials.
So why, you should ask her, does Debv promote Formby for exactly those things she condemns Wiley?
And the money. Wiley makes nothing and has been working on this for 12 years. Her company charges doctors for a manual and a 2-day class and the pharmacies pay a $500 fee which doesn't cover the lawyers' fees to draw the contract. The only income she has is from book royalties, which she splits with Formby. Even Steven. He refuses to separate himself from that "revenue stream." And one more thing about Formby - he says, in print, the most insulting things about Wiley, but Wiley has never said an unkind word about him.
As for all the other stuff that Debv points out, the flame notes, the fake names, sure, I did some of that and it was a mistake. I was trying to defend my wife (of 33 years). It was wrong.
I don't want to be the center of this discussion. I would prefer that others avail themsleves of some information and toss this around. So far, it's been Wiley-0, not-Wiley-15, but I haven't seen any well-informed arguments. It seems to have started as "Suzanne Somers is a bimbo so let's dismisss her," but I don't think you're doing the subject justice.