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 24th November 2019, 06:18 PM #2 DevilsAdvocate Philosopher     Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,329 I don't think it is a basic error. The RATE function solves through iteration so that it can solve in all cases. Excel recognizes that won't always work, which is why it has the "guess" parameter. From the help file: Quote: Returns the interest rate per period of an annuity. RATE is calculated by iteration and can have zero or more solutions. If the successive results of RATE do not converge to within 0.0000001 after 20 iterations, RATE returns the #NUM! error value. If you get a #NUM! error, the resolution is to enter a value for "guess". This will solve without error: =RATE(50,0,-1000,1000000000, 0, 0.3) The person who wrote the function chose to use a single algorithm and obviously realized that there would have to be limitation on convergence and iterations, and therefore added the guess parameter to compensate. The advantage of a single algorithm is simplicity and consistency. If it solved the formula different ways in different circumstances, it could result in different levels of precision that could leave users scratching their heads. Of course it would be possible to create a more robust function that chooses different methods of solving based on different variables. Perhaps you could have the class assignment to write their own "better" formula that could solve the formula without a guess parameter. __________________ "You really don't command the enterprise." - Leonard Cohen