Originally Posted by
Lamuella
How do you know this?
When did he tell us this?
I've been to the other side.
When did he tell us? Since the beginning of history B.C. to 2000 or more A.D.
People even today are experiencing God, and Jesus.
Darth says;
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Edge, here's a mental puzzle for you.
One model/explanation of God holds Him to be omnipresent. (Was, is, shall be). Any being who is beyond time as you and I experience it probably doesn't need to plan, since a plan is how you deal with the future.
God in the above model has no need to consider the future.
Perhaps your idea is that we more limited beings need a plan, which He doesn't. As a few above have noted, this leads pretty frequently into predestination: what's the point of predestination, beyond an excuse not to make a decision?
Your life is the record of the choices you make, and also about choices others make that influence you.
He has no need for a plan for himself, the plan is for us.
The plan is to unveil itsself so that in such a way we may recognize it is his plan through prophesies.
Only prophets are truly predestined, they have no choice but to do Gods will.
We still have a choice, and in that way most of us have freewill at the moment, and the predestination is to execute the plan of salvation for us all.
Yes there will be a record of your life that also is about choices we all make, freewill.
If one is a prophet then you are in agreement with God and made that choice using freewill to further his ultimate plan of grace and salvation.
They usually have prophesies to confirm a part of the plan that is a small part of proof that bolsters faith.
To be omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), ...
means to be everywhere or where you want to be, covering all bases, so all can be saved.
Who else could do this but God as discribed in the bible?
Mr. Scott says:
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Edge, it's not been established that God is real.
To some it has to some it hasn't been established.
Because it hasn't to you, you need what, DNA?
Sorry no can do.
Paul says:
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edge, everytime your so-called god of the bible has done anything, not once has it been shown that he knows anything about the furture, let along wjat humans will do.
He is worthless, end of story.
If you need a god, get a good one next time. There is nothing in the bible that says he is the only one.
Paul
OHHHKay.
Multivac, what are those other gods plans?
You're just whistling out your rear.
Paul put that bottle down.
Not only is He fully acquainted with all of the present facts, He also prophesied the future, including the death of His Son (Isa.. 53).
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Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed what he has heard from us?[a]
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected[b] by men;
a man of sorrows,[c] and acquainted with[d] grief;[e]
and as one from whom men hide their faces[f]
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Read the rest of that above:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...53&version=ESV
Don't be afraid!
The prophesies of God did not stop with the sacrifice of Christ on the cross; He has also foretold the return of Christ at the end of this age when death will be finally overcome.
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51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-
52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:51-57 (NIV)