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Old 21st November 2020, 08:51 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Not sure the USA will survive this. Granted, online comments can be skewed to vocal minorities, but the virulence and sheer quantity of - to use the technical term - nonsense Trump supporters are now wed to at the hip is almost overwhelming to witness, extending across multiple media.

The barbarians are at the gates, and are likely to do great damage. The next Republican in the WH will run on Trumpism, if it's not Trump himself, and that will be the end and fall of Rome, as the electoral promises will center on jailing, even executing, political enemies, the core central demand now of Banana Republicans. And we all know how obsessed Trump is with delivering the promised red meat, and how amoral and bloodthirsty mass hysteria is.

Of all my desires today, the foremost is that Europe dump Poland and Hungary, along with Slovenia, and any other budding authoritarians, even if that leaves just Germany, France, and, say, Spain, as large member nations. Next is to fully engage in Macron's vision of building European defenses, apart from other reasons also to keep Europe more broadly engaged in advanced manufacturing. Time to realize that one cannot trust the USA any longer, not without extreme peril, in spite of today's many fine Biden voters.

Post Trump, there may be no putting the American fascism genie back in the bottle, not until after a major conflict, or nuclear war. That's what it took last time, and the world is real short on lessons learned.
Ugh. This is a real possibility. The future is not carved in stone (is that a line from Terminator?), but some vague outlines are apparent.

I am just now of the opinion that the left is going to have to drop the a lot of the progressive parts of their agenda in order to join with moderate and anti-trump conservatives in order to defeat anti-democratic forces. Not getting moderates and actual conservatives on board with a moderate platform will only serve to splinter and weaken the fight against the anti-democratic forces. Because to let the anti-democratic forces win is to lose the entire thing.
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