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Old 25th February 2021, 11:20 AM   #609
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
So all your stories about "textbook" socialism, communism, and Marxism
What stories? I used a common phrase and shared my understanding of those thing. Now, maybe my understanding is flawed and you are free to correct me about that. But I doubt you will. Like I said; you are very good at complaining but terrible at solving.
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are as made up as The Big Dog's stories about the Atheist Bible. That's what I thought. Even before Trump, the political system of the USA was a textbook example of cults of personality. Oh, the things that capitalism leads to ...
Trumpism is a cult of personality, I will grant that much. But to say that the US was a textbook example of such before Trump? That’s a terrible take.

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Tell us more about what Karl Marx wrote. There's gotta be textbooks, right?!
Tell us more about cults of personality. There’s gotta be a better textbook than Wikipedia, right?
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Yes, "writers" are very suspicious dudes.
You said “suspicious” not me. My position isn’t so much about the “writers” but about the architects. Lenin. Trotsky. Mao.
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Tell us about "real-deal socialism/communism": What is that? You are the one who always wants to talk about that instead of the theme of this thread.
I happy to drop socialism/communism if that’s not what you are pursuing as a solution. What I’d like to elicit from you is a solution. Socialism/communism is usually presented as the solution to Capitalism’s flaws, but if you have something else in mind, I’m all ears. It seems though that you’d like to dictate the terms of the discussion. You’d like this to be endless complaining about Capitalism, apparently, and nothing else. Not solutions. Well, I’d like to see the conversation turn from complaints to solutions. If you don’t want to engage that, well that’s fine. I do and it’s within the topic of the thread so I’ll continue pressing the issue, thank you very much.

In my view, the solution is to reform Capitalism. I think your argument is entirely too simplistic, fundamentally, “Capitalism sucks.” We get it. What’s the solution.

There comes a time when a complainer has to present a way to resolve the complaint. We are way past that time in this discussion.

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Cult of personality again. Interesting, coming from a guy who lives in a country that turns each and every election into a contest between different cults of personality with all of the personalities representing "the elite ruling class".
What a ridiculous statement. It comes from a guy who obviously can see things only on the very surface. There isn’t one person whose ideas dictate everything about our economy and government. In the modern world, I’m thinking Cuba, where Fidel Castro established and enshrined into the very Constitution of Cuba his ideas as unalterable. His face and likeness is everywhere in Cuba. He made it so no one would ever dare challenge him, even when he’s dead! That’s a cult of personality.
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If there is one thing capitalism isn't, it's sustainable. It's an absurd statement, coming from a Texan.
Ridiculous. Capitalism has been the engine of growth and sustainability of every major nation in the world. Even China had to abandon the ideas of Mao and embrace some capitalistic ideas to keep up. Capitalism may evolve and reform but it isn’t going anywhere. Especially since not even you, a fierce critic, can present a coherent and viable alternative.

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Thank you. Yes, I am good at pointing out the flaws of capitalism. You haven't seen me "illustrating a viable alternative." Why on Earth would I do that?!
Because complaints without solutions are just so much tedious uselessness. And because you don’t have an alternative.

You sound like the Republicans in the US.

“The ACA is horrible and we have to repeal and replace it!”

“Ok, with what?”

“Errr...ummm...repeal and replace!”

Ad nauseum.
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