Originally Posted by
Planigale
I think that if you want to send a message to the general public then it makes sense not to be strict about words, I would hope here that people do understand a release probably written by a 'coms' person may not be scientifically accurate. It is technically incorrect to call anaphylactoid reactions allergic, but for the general public since the reaction is indistinguishable to them from a true allergic reaction then it is reasonable to use this term about what they will see or suffer from*. The reactions were 'immediate' which is why there is a new requirement for people to be observed for 15 minutes post vaccination.
Technically correct or not, I've been hard pressed to find any research article that says technically anaphylactoid is not an allergic reaction.
Bottom line, who cares?
Originally Posted by
Planigale
You may think my post was too detailed, and I did apologise for that, but from past experience if I simplify things too much you also criticise my posts! FWIW I could have gone into a lot more detail. I am yet to find the 'Skeptic Ginger" happy place, not too simple, not too complex; just right.
Not true. I have criticized a couple of your posts when you had things wrong like saying TB was droplet spread when it isn't. I didn't finish one of our other discussions because one of my two dogs was dying, and when he died there was no point in bumping the thread.
We come from different circles.
Originally Posted by
Planigale
*Also the immediate treatment is the same.
And that goes with my point, who cares about the molecular chain of events that cause the two different reactions? Making some complicated point that it wasn't an allergic reaction just confuses people. Describing the molecular mechanisms wasn't the issue. Insisting one was not really and allergic reaction was.
In this specific case, the report I read said they had symptoms the next day. I'll post it when I find it.
If/when these vaccine recipients get their second dose, they would be sensitized and could have an anaphylactic reaction. And the caution is legit about observing people after they receive the vaccine.