Originally Posted by Thor 2
I wasn't trying to score a point. I was making a point: IMHO many atheists (not all!) want you to prove to them that the particular version of God that they don't believe in in fact exists, rather than working from what the theist themselves describe. The conversion starts with two people talking past each other, and doesn't improve from there.
For example, atheists obsessed with the Bible (which seems to include you) will always bring the conversion back to the Bible, even if the theist has other reasons for belief, such as our esteemed former Federal Labour leader and Australian Humanist of the Year, Bill Hayden.
How would you proceed to engage with his ideas that “There’s been a gnawing pain in my heart and soul about what is the meaning of life. What’s my role in it?” and “I can no longer accept that human existence is self-sufficient and isolated”, other than with a shrug of the shoulders?