Sexual misconduct allegations against Radford, Shermer, et al. Part 2

Jeff Wagg · Sep 23, 2014

Alison's timeline is correct. Approximately 30 minutes after I took her back to her room, she asked to be taken to the condo. She was having trouble walking to the car which was in the back valet area. Security noticed this, and stopped us, and then offered a wheelchair to help her get to the car. We accepted. I took her to the condo, stayed for a while and then returned to the Flamingo to get ready for the next day of TAM.

I have no way of knowing what went on behind closed doors, but I do know that Alison was very upset, and very drunk. And what she told me that night matches what she's saying now.

qayak · Sep 23, 2014

tsig said:
Funny how the man is a known liar yet the woman is the one being given the third degree.

And yet you haven't shown that he lied once. Go figure.

Donn · Sep 23, 2014

Verklagekasper said:
How about, why did she spend a "lovely portion of the evening" with the man who allegedly raped her two months before?

This is a non sequitur.

What where you trying to say by your scorn for her getting drunk?

d4m10n · Sep 23, 2014

qayak said:
Smith says she is all for them coming forward, but none of them come forward.

This was propitiously timed.

qayak · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
Alison's timeline is correct. Approximately 30 minutes after I took her back to her room, she asked to be taken to the condo. She was having trouble walking to the car which was in the back valet area. Security noticed this, and stopped us, and then offered a wheelchair to help her get to the car. We accepted. I took her to the condo, stayed for a while and then returned to the Flamingo to get ready for the next day of TAM.

I have no way of knowing what went on behind closed doors, but I do know that Alison was very upset, and very drunk. And what she told me that night matches what she's saying now.

Finally! Awesome!

What were the vicious rumours about Smith that Shermer looked into? (Or if you don't want to spread them further, did they have to do with Shermer or something unrelated?)

Where did you find her in the hotel and how long did it take? Was she aware of what hotel she was in or did she ask you?

That should about clear up my questions.

Donn · Sep 23, 2014

qayak said:
Last I checked, I wasn't a cop ..

Hence, "imagine".

Jeff Wagg · Sep 23, 2014

qayak said:
Finally! Awesome!

What were the vicious rumours about Smith that Shermer looked into? (Or if you don't want to spread them further, did they have to do with Shermer or something unrelated?)

Where did you find her in the hotel and how long did it take? Was she aware of what hotel she was in or did she ask you?

That should about clear up my questions.

I had heard no "vicious rumors" from anyone other than Shermer. The rumor he was referring to was that they had had sex that night, and he denied it.

She called me from the elevator. I asked her where she was, and she said she didn't know. I believe I asked her to go to the bottom floor and tell me what she saw. When she did, I knew where she was, and I went and retrieved her.

qayak · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
I had heard no "vicious rumors" from anyone other than Shermer. The rumor he was referring to was that they had had sex that night, and he denied it.

She called me from the elevator. I asked her where she was, and she said she didn't know. I believe I asked her to go to the bottom floor and tell me what she saw. When she did, I knew where she was, and I went and retrieved her.

Thank you, this clears a lot of things up.

Lorentz · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
I had heard no "vicious rumors" from anyone other than Shermer. The rumor he was referring to was that they had had sex that night, and he denied it.

She called me from the elevator. I asked her where she was, and she said she didn't know. I believe I asked her to go to the bottom floor and tell me what she saw. When she did, I knew where she was, and I went and retrieved her.

I thank you for showing up and pretty much settling that discussion.
_{I fear we'll have to go back to investigating yetis now...}

qayak · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
I had heard no "vicious rumors" from anyone other than Shermer. The rumor he was referring to was that they had had sex that night, and he denied it.

She called me from the elevator. I asked her where she was, and she said she didn't know. I believe I asked her to go to the bottom floor and tell me what she saw. When she did, I knew where she was, and I went and retrieved her.

Two more questions: Did she tell you at that time that Shermer raped her and did you ask Shermer about that or something more to the effect "Hey, there's a rumour going around that you bedded Alison Smith"?

A witness can clear so much up so quickly, can't they? (Ooooops, I guess that's a third question.)

Jeff Wagg · Sep 23, 2014

qayak said:
Two more questions: Did she tell you at that time that Shermer raped her and did you ask Shermer about that or something more to the effect "Hey, there's a rumour going around that you bedded Alison Smith"?

A witness can clear so much up so quickly, can't they? (Ooooops, I guess that's a third question.)

I didn't ask Shermer anything. He called me. As I said earlier, Alison's story has not changed.

qayak · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
I didn't ask Shermer anything. He called me. As I said earlier, Alison's story has not changed.

Thanks.

Did she mention to you at the time that he had raped her and that's why she wanted to go to the condo?

Jeff Wagg · Sep 23, 2014

shuttlt · Sep 23, 2014

Well, there goes the thread. Late to the party, but what an entrance!

zooterkin · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
Yes.

Does that mean you were the person from JREF that she told about it, or was there someone else as well?

Recovering Agnostic · Sep 23, 2014

shuttlt said:
Well, there goes the thread. Late to the party, but what an entrance!

I'm willing to bet that someone will come up with yet more objections and grounds for Just Asking Questions.

shuttlt · Sep 23, 2014

Oh, it's an interesting topic and I'm sure there is a lot of nuance that could be found. When ever you get a topic like this where there is a strong moral imperative felt by participants in a debate, you'll get people wanting to argue that they lack nuance, or are ignoring alternative explanations for things.

Jeff Wagg · Sep 23, 2014

zooterkin said:
Does that mean you were the person from JREF that she told about it, or was there someone else as well?

I know the answer to that, obviously, but this is Alison's story, not mine. My only role here is to say that thus far, she has told the truth.

dasmiller · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
I know the answer to that, obviously, but this is Alison's story, not mine. My only role here is to say that thus far, she has told the truth.

Much appreciated.

Squeegee Beckenheim · Sep 23, 2014

Jeff Wagg said:
Alison's timeline is correct. Approximately 30 minutes after I took her back to her room, she asked to be taken to the condo. She was having trouble walking to the car which was in the back valet area. Security noticed this, and stopped us, and then offered a wheelchair to help her get to the car. We accepted. I took her to the condo, stayed for a while and then returned to the Flamingo to get ready for the next day of TAM.

I have no way of knowing what went on behind closed doors, but I do know that Alison was very upset, and very drunk. And what she told me that night matches what she's saying now.

And there we go. Between this statement and Shermer's changing story, I think it would take quite a lot of good evidence to the contrary to persuade me that Smith's story is not true.

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