Newly declassified documents re: 9/11

"dissident sympathizers within the government may have aided al-Qa’ida"

I've believed this for quite some time.
 
"dissident sympathizers within the government may have aided al-Qa’ida"

I've believed this for quite some time.

No big secret there.

This is just a ploy to throw off the real truth seekers that DEMAND the documents PROVING the FACT thermite "PULLED" all three buildings.

Until they release these it will always be a cover-up.



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"dissident sympathizers within the government may have aided al-Qa’ida"

I've believed this for quite some time.

Yep.

But usually the argument gets steered to saying "the Saudis were in on 9/11". :oldroll:

I haven't looked at the documents. I'd like to know if they show that those Saudi dissidents knew the plans for 9/11.
 
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I haven't looked at the documents. I'd like to know if they show that those Saudi dissidents knew the plans for 9/11.

Ohhh no. The short is: No evidence that the government of Saudi Arabia as such supported AQ, but some US agents have voiced speculation that rogue individuals within government branches may have - without disclosing any details or evidence at all.
 
Ohhh no. The short is: No evidence that the government of Saudi Arabia as such supported AQ, but some US agents have voiced speculation that rogue individuals within government branches may have - without disclosing any details or evidence at all.

Oh no not another truther smoking gun becomes nothing more than an unloaded water pistol. :D
 
The dark age penguins are destroying Yemen as we speak. Can we please finally put them in check no matter how small a part of the truth about 9/11 that is?

Yemen has been a failed state for decades. Basically on the edge of civil war since the end of the civil war between North and South Yemen in which the north defeated the south.
 
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The thing I found interesting was the mention of Saudi Intelligence working inside the U.S. I know everyone has spies here, but it suggests they're as interested in watching other Arabs inside the U.S. as they are watching Americans.

Just fascinating.
 
Some new documents were released in typical fashion - just before 5:00 on a Friday. I haven't had time to even skim them yet, but others are howling about evidence of Saudi involvement.

http://www.foia.cia.gov/collection/declassified-documents-related-911-attacks

See the posts:

http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-911-cia-344693

By Jeff Stein, 6/19/2015
FBI Agent: The CIA could have stopped 9/11

And

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/23/information-could-have-stopped-911-299148.html

The inside information that could have stopped 9/11

The June 18. 2015 article is based on the just released CIA IG report and CIA Director, George Tenets pathetic excuses why he did not give the Mihdhar and Hazmi information to the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing when he clearly knew by not doing this, it would allow a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans.
 
See the posts:

http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-911-cia-344693

By Jeff Stein, 6/19/2015
FBI Agent: The CIA could have stopped 9/11

And

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/23/information-could-have-stopped-911-299148.html

The inside information that could have stopped 9/11

The June 18. 2015 article is based on the just released CIA IG report and CIA Director, George Tenets pathetic excuses why he did not give the Mihdhar and Hazmi information to the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing when he clearly knew by not doing this, it would allow a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans.
Reading the stories, I still don't see any evidence the CIA had anything the FBI could legally act on (at the time). Maybe I missed it. :confused:
 
See the posts:

http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-911-cia-344693

By Jeff Stein, 6/19/2015
FBI Agent: The CIA could have stopped 9/11

And

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/23/information-could-have-stopped-911-299148.html

The inside information that could have stopped 9/11

The June 18. 2015 article is based on the just released CIA IG report and CIA Director, George Tenets pathetic excuses why he did not give the Mihdhar and Hazmi information to the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing when he clearly knew by not doing this, it would allow a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans.

How do they know that? Psychics? Project Stargate? Just asking questions.
 
This is old, old news. The CIA was in contact with locals to follow around more than 170 suspected terrorist. These were all considered a target to eavesdrop and or to recruit as double agents. Those contacts were just for Yemen and there are 5 times more guns in Yemen than people. It is a very precarious and dangerous job.

Why the two were not stopped upon entering the country was a serious breech of protocol however it is meaningless to just keep harboring these mistakes. I am quite sure that will never happen again.
 
Reading the stories, I still don't see any evidence the CIA had anything the FBI could legally act on (at the time). Maybe I missed it. :confused:

You missed it.

First both Mihdhar and Hazmi had been connected to the people who had taken part in the east African bombings, and since the FBI already had an active investigation into these bombings, FBI HQ already had the legal authority to allow the Cole bombing investigators to start a criminal investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi.

Second the CIA already knew by January 4, 2001 that both Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the USS Cole bombing and yet hid this information from FBI Agent Ali Soufan and FBI Agent Steve Bongardt numerous times. This action of planning the Cole bombing was a “substantial Federal felony”. The FBI HQ agent who shut down the FBI criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi, knew that both al Qaeda terrorists Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in planning the Cole bombing by August 22, 2001, according to the DOJ IG report, page 301. So when she emailed FBI Agent Steve Bongardt August 29, 2001, to shut down his criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi and stated in her email that “if at such time as evidence is developed of a substantial Federal crime, (by Mihdhar and Hazmi) that information will be passed over the wall according to proper procedures”, she had already known 7 days earlier that both Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing.

Tom Wilshire, the CIA Officer who was working at the FBI and directing the actions of Dina Corsi, tells the DOJ IG investigators that he had known since mid-May 2001 that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing. Wilshire had been moved over to the FBI ITOS unit in mid-May from the CIA to find out if the FBI Cole bombing investigators had uncovered the fact that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing. When Wilshire had second thoughts in July, 2001 about being a CIA spy inside of the FBI HQ, he sends two requests back to his CIA managers, Richard Blee and Cofer Black asking if he can transfer to the FBI Cole bombing investigators the information that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing. He was refused permission twice to give this information to the FBI. When the CIA refused to give Wilshire permission to transfer this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, they clearly knew that without probable cause the FBI Cole bombing investigators would never have the evidence they need to start any criminal investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Since the CIA already knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack the CIA knew by denying the Cole bombing investigators the information they needed to start any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi, would result in allowing this huge al Qaeda attacks to take place, and result in murder of thousands of Americans.

You would think the people in the US government knowing the names of al Qaeda terrorists who were about to take part in a terrorist attack that would kill thousands of Americans would be enough to have an FBI investigation start in order to find them before they had time to carry out this attack.

I guess not, but what do I know!
 
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This is old, old news. The CIA was in contact with locals to follow around more than 170 suspected terrorist. These were all considered a target to eavesdrop and or to recruit as double agents. Those contacts were just for Yemen and there are 5 times more guns in Yemen than people. It is a very precarious and dangerous job.

Why the two were not stopped upon entering the country was a serious breech of protocol however it is meaningless to just keep harboring these mistakes. I am quite sure that will never happen again.

The CIA IG report was just released two weeks ago after it had been kept secret for 11 years, so this is not old news. The fact that the FBI agents involved in writing the cable to be sent back to the FBI from the CIA bin Laden unit, the cable that was blocked by Tom Wilshire, are now saying this cable could have stopped the attacks on 9/11 is also new.

The JI stated that the actions to hide the information on Mihdhar and Hazmi from the FBI Cole bombing investigators was deliberate. Since these actions by the CIA were deliberate you can conclude, according to the JI, that the CIA deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place, actions that resulted in the murder of thousands of Americans.

Of course the CIA IG report was keep secret so, according to Porter Goss, it would not demoralize America’s finest. I think he did not quit finish his sentence. He should have said America's finest mass murderers.
 
I guess not, but what do I know!

I suspect it not knowing what the FBI could legally act on. Naturally the CIA and NSA crossed their T's when it came to legal rules in collecting evidence for prosecuting a case. Do you really think evidence gained by the CIA/NSA methods could be used by the FBI? You keep saying the "wall" was not an issue, that's because you don't understand why it was there in the first place.
 
No one has the slightest idea what was said at that meeting. Assuming that they talked about planning an attack while they were in Malaysian is just speculation. The fact that $38.000 was exchanged was taken from detainees-with no other proof at all.

What a bunch of bull to claim the Agency deliberately allowed the attack. It just typical like the truthers that you have no idea how the CIA works, never known an agent from the FBI or the CIA, never worked with them or visited either headquarters to tour it's surroundings.

You claim to know every thing and never-ever go beyond google. It's like being a know it all about a country, never going in person, just reading web articles.

At any one time in America there are around 1,000 common citizens working as contract agents for the CIA. It can be anyone and about anything. That is how you learn about the agency not just searching out other injustice collectors on web sites, who like you, need some one to blame their sorry life on.
 
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You would think the people in the US government knowing the names of al Qaeda terrorists who were about to take part in a terrorist attack that would kill thousands of Americans would be enough to have an FBI investigation start in order to find them before they had time to carry out this attack.

I guess not, but what do I know!

How do you stop an attack? There is a movie/book about this BS. Minority Report, I guess the precogs failed to figure out the attack.
 
How do they know that? Psychics? Project Stargate? Just asking questions.

According to Bob Woodward’s book, “State of Denial”, Tenet, Black, and Blee went to the White House on July 10, 2001 to tell Rice, Hadley and Clarke that a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack as just about to take place likely inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans. Then on July 13, 2001 and July 23, 2001, these very same mangers refused to give their spy inside of the FBI HQ, and former Deputy Chief of the Bin Laden CIA station, Tom Wilshire, permission to give the information that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing to the FBI criminal Cole bombing investigators, or to tell these investigators that the people at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting who had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing were also likely connected to the warnings of a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack about to take place inside of the US. When they refused Wilshire’s request to pass this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, they knew full well that without this information the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing would never have the “probable cause” they needed to start a criminal investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Since the CIA already knew that these two al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, they also knew by hiding the fact that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing would allow this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place killing thousands of Americans,
 
According to Bob Woodward’s book, “State of Denial”, Tenet, Black, and Blee went to the White House on July 10, 2001 to tell Rice, Hadley and Clarke that a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack as just about to take place likely inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans. Then on July 13, 2001 and July 23, 2001, these very same mangers refused to give their spy inside of the FBI HQ, and former Deputy Chief of the Bin Laden CIA station, Tom Wilshire, permission to give the information that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing to the FBI criminal Cole bombing investigators, or to tell these investigators that the people at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting who had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing were also likely connected to the warnings of a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack about to take place inside of the US. When they refused Wilshire’s request to pass this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, they knew full well that without this information the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing would never have the “probable cause” they needed to start a criminal investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Since the CIA already knew that these two al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, they also knew by hiding the fact that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing would allow this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place killing thousands of Americans,

Interesting. By what methods was this information achieved? Was it clear at that time it could be used without jeopardizing their separate investigative goals?
 
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According to Bob Woodward’s book, “State of Denial”, Tenet, Black, and Blee went to the White House on July 10, 2001 to tell Rice, Hadley and Clarke that a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack as just about to take place /// likely inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans. Then on July 13, 2001 and July 23, 2001, these very same mangers refused to give their spy inside of the FBI HQ, and former Deputy Chief of the Bin Laden CIA station, Tom Wilshire, permission to give the information that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing to the FBI criminal Cole bombing investigators, or to tell these investigators that the people at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting who had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing were also likely connected to the warnings of a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack about to take place inside of the US. When they refused Wilshire’s request to pass this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, they knew full well that without this information the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing would never have the “probable cause” they needed to start a criminal investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Since the CIA already knew that these two al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, they also knew by hiding the fact that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing would allow this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place killing thousands of Americans,
Something was about to happen, some time soon, some place in the USA (a rather large territory) and two suspected AQ personnel known to be in the USA might well have something to do with it. It might even have been discussed at a meeting of AQ persons in a city 10,000 miles from the continental USA.
Its a wonder the hijackers weren't all arrested on Sept 10/01!
I'm convinced!
 
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Interesting. By what methods was this information achieved? Was it clear at that time it could be used without jeopardizing their separate investigative goals?

This information was obtained when the CIA was given photos of Walid bin Attash, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi all attending an al Qaeda planning meeting together on Janauary 5-8, 2000, in Kuala Lumpur. By November 2000, bin Attash had been identified as the mastermind of the Cole bombing that had taken place in October 2000.

Was it clear at the time it could be used without jeopardizing their seperate goals?

Since the FBI was trying to stop the attacks on 9/11 and the CIA was deliberately trying to allow these attacks to take place, no, this information could not have been used without jeopardizing the CIA's goal of allowing these attacks to take place.

Had the CIA given this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigatiors, this would have prevented the attacks on 9/11 from taking place.
 
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Something was about to happen, some time soon, some place in the USA (a rather large territory) and two suspected AQ personnel known to be in the USA might well have something to do with it. It might even have been discussed at a meeting of AQ persons in a city 10,000 miles from the continental USA.
Its a wonder the hijackers weren't all arrested on Sept 10/01!
I'm convinced!

As Mark Rossini stated in the article I sited, had the CIA not blocked FBI Agent Doug Miller's cable way back on January 5, 2000, the names Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi would have been known by the FBI and the attack on 9/11 prevented from taking place.

Had the CIA not hidden the fact that both Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing, which they found out on January 4, 2001, the FBI could have prevented the 9/11 attacks from taking place.

Had the CIA not ordered Tom Wilshire, the CIA spy inside of the FBI HQ, to sabotage FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, the attacks on 9/11 would have been prevented.
 
As Mark Rossini stated in the article I sited, had the CIA not blocked FBI Agent Doug Miller's cable way back on January 5, 2000, the names Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi would have been known by the FBI and the attack on 9/11 prevented from taking place.

Had the CIA not hidden the fact that both Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing, which they found out on January 4, 2001, the FBI could have prevented the 9/11 attacks from taking place.

Had the CIA not ordered Tom Wilshire, the CIA spy inside of the FBI HQ, to sabotage FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, the attacks on 9/11 would have been prevented.

So which is it, would have or could have prevented the 9/11 attacks?
 

From your link. "Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along effect or creeping determinism, is the inclination, after an event has occurred, to see the event as having been predictable, despite there having been little or no objective basis for predicting it."

But in this case there was a massive objective basis for predicting it. The CIA knew full well the attacks on 9/11 were coming in the summer of 2001.

Let me repeat my prior post.

According to Bob Woodward’s book, “State of Denial”, Tenet, Black, and Blee went to the White House on July 10, 2001 to tell Rice, Hadley and Clarke that a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack as just about to take place likely inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans. Then on July 13, 2001 and July 23, 2001, these very same mangers refused to give their spy inside of the FBI HQ, and former Deputy Chief of the Bin Laden CIA station, Tom Wilshire, permission to give the information that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing to the FBI criminal Cole bombing investigators, or to tell these investigators that the people at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting who had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing were also likely connected to the warnings of a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack about to take place inside of the US. When these CIA managers refused Wilshire’s request to pass this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, they knew full well that without this information the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing would never have the “probable cause” they needed to start a criminal investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Since the CIA already knew that these two al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, they also knew by hiding the fact that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing would allow this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place killing thousands of Americans,

But it gets worse!

Defense Exhibit 939 describes FBI Agent Margaret Gillespie, working at the CIA bin Laden unit being told by the INS on August 21, 2001, that both Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US. She took this information to Deputy Chief of the FBI ITOS unit, Tom Wilshire, and FBI IOS Agent Dina Corsi on August 22, 2001, and then back to the CIA bin Laden unit after meeting with Wilshire and Corsi.

For six days Wilshire, Corsi, Rod Middleton, Corsi's boss, FBI HQ and the CIA keep this horrific information secret from the FBI Cole bombing investigators, but on August 28, 2001, an EC written by Corsi to start an intelligence investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi, was sent to the FBI New York field office This EC was sent to FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, by FBI Intelligence supervisor John Liguori when Liguori thought the NSA information in this EC connected Mihdhar and Hazmi to the Cole bombing.

Bongardt immediately called Corsi to request the investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi be given to him and his team before these al Qaeda terrorists had time to carry out some horrific attack inside of the US. But Corsi told Bongardt that since the information in her EC that came from the NSA, it could not be legally given to FBI criminal investigators without permission from the NSA general counsel. But what was kept secret from Bongardt, was the fact that the NSA had already approved a request to allow Corsi to pass this information to him and the other criminal investigators in New York on August 27, 2001, the day before she tells Bongardt she does not have this permission. In fact since the NSA had connected both Mihdhar and Hazmi to the east African al Qaeda terrorists attacks, the FBI criminal investigators already had the legal authority to search for these two al Qaeda terrorists, all of this information is per the DOJ IG report.

Bongardt told Corsi, that he believed the NSA restrictions were only relevant if the information had been obtained using a FISA warrant, and since he did not see how the NSA information in her EC required a FISA warrant, he asked her to consult with the FBI attorneys in the NSLU to see if he could start an investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi.

On August 29, 2001, Corsi called Bongardt and told him the attorney she contacted had ruled he could have no connection to any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. But page 538, footnote 81 in the 9/11 Commission report states that Sherri S, aka Sheri Sabol told Dina C. aka Dina Corsi, that since the NSA information had no connection to any FISA warrant, Bongardt could take part in any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that he wanted.

Per DE 682, Corsi sent email to Steve Bongardt on August 29, 2001, stating that “if at such time as evidence is developed of a substantial Federal crime, (by Mihdhar and Hazmi) that information will be passed over the wall per the proper procedures for a follow up criminal investigation". But the horror story of all horror stories is that Corsi told DOJ IG investigators on August 22, 2001, 6 days before she shut down Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, she already had the photo of Walid bin Attash, mastermind of the Cole bombing, a photo she had obtained from the CIA, the very photo taken of him at Kuala Lumpur, and knew this was the proof that both Mihdhar and Hazmi, who she, Wishire, Rod Middleton, all knew in May 2001 had also been at that same meeting, had taken part in the planning the Cole bombing, clearly a “substantial Federal crime”, according to page 301 of the DOJ IG report.

Why FBI Agents at FBI HQ would criminally sabotaged the only criminal investigation at the FBI of Mihdhar and Hazmi when they all knew this allow a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place inside of the US killing thousands of Americans has never been explained. Or why the CIA ordered their former Deputy Chief of the CIA bin Laden unit, Tom Wilshire, who had blocked Doug Millers cable on Khalid al-Mihdhar back to the FBI on January 5, 2001, to effectively sabotage any criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by the FBI Cole bombing investigators, orders which he successfully carried out, has also never been explained.

Why FBI Agents at FBI HQ would criminally sabotage the only criminal investigation at the FBI of Mihdhar and Hazmi when they all knew this allow a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place inside of the US killing thousands of Americans has never been explained. Or why the CIA ordered their former Deputy Chief of the CIA bin Laden unit, Tom Wilshire, who had blocked Doug Millers cable on Khalid al-Mihdhar back to the FBI on January 5, 2001, to effectively sabotage any criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by the FBI Cole bombing investigators, orders which he successfully carried out, when they clearly knew thier orders would allow a huge al Qaeda terroroist attack to take place inside of the US, has also never been explained.

While all of this information is now in the public domain, why this information has been hidden by the main stream media from American public even to this day has also never been explained. Jeff Stein's article in Newsweek is the first time even a hint of this information has appeared in the main stream media.
 
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I suspect it not knowing what the FBI could legally act on. Naturally the CIA and NSA crossed their T's when it came to legal rules in collecting evidence for prosecuting a case. Do you really think evidence gained by the CIA/NSA methods could be used by the FBI? You keep saying the "wall" was not an issue, that's because you don't understand why it was there in the first place.

You have repeated this absurd statement several times in this blog, when you clearly not only know you are wrong, but also know you are presenting misinformation in your posts.

Here is the quote that has been presented to you in prior posts to refute your absurd statements regarding "the wall", in this blog site:


"Legal Barriers to Information Sharing:
The Erection of a Wall Between Intelligence and Law Enforcement Investigations

Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
Staff Monograph

Barbara A. Grewe
Senior Counsel for Special Projects
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/wall.pdf

What was the conclusion of this report?.......

Conclusion:

"It is clear therefore, that the information sharing failures in the summer of 2001 were not the result of legal barriers but of the 'failure of individuals to understand that the barriers did not apply to the facts at hand. Simply put, there was no legal reason why the information could not have been shared."
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/wall.pdf"


But this statement "that the information sharing failures in the summer of 2001 were not the result of legal barriers but of the 'failure of individuals to understand that the barriers did not apply to the facts at hand." is a complete lie to cover up the criminal actions that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place. As I reported in a prior post:

"Per DE 682, Corsi sent email to Steve Bongardt on August 29, 2001, stating that “if at such time as evidence is developed of a substantial Federal crime, (by Mihdhar and Hazmi) that information will be passed over the wall per the proper procedures for a follow up criminal investigation". But the horror story of all horror stories is that Corsi told DOJ IG investigators on August 22, 2001, 6 days before she shut down Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, she already had the photo of Walid bin Attash, mastermind of the Cole bombing, a photo she had obtained from the CIA, the very photo taken of him at Kuala Lumpur, and knew this was the proof that both Mihdhar and Hazmi, who she, Wilshire, Rod Middleton, all knew in May 2001 had also been at that same meeting, had taken part in the planning the Cole bombing, clearly a “substantial Federal crime”, according to page 301 of the DOJ IG report."

At the time FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi was shut down, Corsi, Wilshire, Middleton at FBI HQ's and Tenet, Black and Blee, senior managers at the CIA all knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing, all knew this was this was a substantial Federal crime, and all knew by criminally withholding this evidence from Bongardt and his team this would allow a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place inside of the US killing thousands of Americans. These are the facts as presented by the official US government reports on 9/11.

People on this forum who are trying to justify the actions of people at the FBI HQ's and the CIA that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place are defending the very people who had allowed the mass murder of thousands of Americans.
 
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You have repeated this absurd statement several times in this blog, when you clearly not only know you are wrong, but also know you are presenting misinformation in your posts.

There's key words you seem to keep missing, "at the time". Could they had shared this information in retrospect, yes. Did they know this, AT THAT TIME? No. Was cooperation a norm AT THAT TIME? No.

Tell you what. Prove they did and you got intent. I keep asking you to prove intent, you keep failing.
 
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People on this forum who are trying to justify the actions of people at the FBI HQ's and the CIA that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place are defending the very people who had allowed the mass murder of thousands of Americans.

You're worse. You claim to have the goods and are not doing anything more than posting on obscure internet forums. Look in the mirror before you cast this self-righteous crap.
 
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People on this forum who are trying to justify the actions of people at the FBI HQ's and the CIA that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place are defending the very people who had allowed the mass murder of thousands of Americans.
Again, you made up the "allowed" part.

What will you do with the nonsensical evidence free conclusions.
 
My sense is that these agencies are large and layered and people are not made aware for all manner of reasons of information. There are levels of access and "need to know" sort of status. These huge agencies are clearly not the most efficient based on how decisions made an "turf" is protected. And then add to that that the laws prevent the gov from arresting perps without evidence of conspiracy. You can't arrest someone for a crime yet to be committed.

FBI knew mafia was engaged in criminal activity... but they need to "catch them in the act" so to speak. Same goes for all the current drug activity... and why they do stings. Stings can backfire and intel clearly had some problem with infiltrating Islamic terrorists groups and so they were just sort of watching and collecting "intel" and had no plan of action. Intel did not work for the people on 9/11. Now we have more invasive intel as a result. Not a great thing either.
 
Something was about to happen, some time soon, some place in the USA (a rather large territory) and two suspected AQ personnel known to be in the USA might well have something to do with it. It might even have been discussed at a meeting of AQ persons in a city 10,000 miles from the continental USA.
Its a wonder the hijackers weren't all arrested on Sept 10/01!
I'm convinced!


No, even paloalto (misquoting Woodward) says "likely" in the USA (sic). That expands the territory just a smidge, no? :rolleyes:


According to Bob Woodward’s book, “State of Denial”, Tenet, Black, and Blee went to the White House on July 10, 2001 to tell Rice, Hadley and Clarke that a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack as just about to take place likely inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans.

paloalto - please remind me, have you arranged all of your thoughts on this subject into a book yet? It seems like you have enough material, just reading the copy / paste you post here. Is the complete dossier on a blog, at least?
 

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