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Synthetic Vitamins
I met someone who claimed that synthetic vitamins are different from "natural" vitamins. My first reaction was BS. My second reaction was that it was possible that vitamins made in different would have different impurities but I very much doubt these impurities would have a positive or negative effect. So I returned to my BS stance.
She claimed that it had been shown that synthetic vitamin A causes birth defects but natural vitamin A does not. I found the following link: http://cerhr.niehs.nih.gov/genpub/to...in_a-ccae.html which says:
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Does anyone have a link that intelligently talks about this for vitamin A or other vitamins? CBL |
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Okayyyy. Who are these people and who or what made them "experts"? |
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Vitamins A and D, both of which are fat-soluble and are not as easily washed out of the body as the water-soluble vitamins, do have rather narrow windows between the minimum effective daily dosage and the maximum safe daily dosage. Fortunately, given the right conditions and chemical precursors, the body can synthesize these vitamins on its own and properly regulate the amount. This is why Beta-Carotene is a better source of Vitamin A than processed Vitamin A pills or even liver, and why sunshine is better than Vitamin D pills, egg yolks, or cod-liver oil.
As far as "natural" vs "synthetic" in general, I agree with your assessment that while they have different impurities, unless those impurities are themselves toxic, there is little or no difference in where you get the nutrients. |
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There are toxitity levels of Vitamin A, even from natural sources:
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/vita.html Also too much is not good for bone health: http://www.osteo.org/newfile.asp?doc...TML+Fact+Sheet This one actually mentions the polar bear liver: http://www.anyvitamins.com/vitamin-a-info.htm This one also mentions that there can be too much: http://nutrition.tufts.edu/magazine/...vitamina4.html I remember long long time ago going to a dinner meeting where the speaker was a real nutritionist (the university researcher kind, not the health food type). She had a presentation that showed how supplements were not always good, including photos of babies deformed when the mother took too many vitamins (not good dinner material). Then as another side of getting all the beta-carotine you want is the story of the Orange Man: http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/04/orange-man.html Anyway, vitamins are chemicals. They are really the same whether synthetic or not. It is just harder to overdose when you get them from real food (since the above mentioned dinner meeting 20 *cough*cough* years ago, I have not taken any vitamin pills, though my husband still does). More stuff: http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?id=NU00198 By the way... most of the links obtained through www.medlineplus.gov |
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Thanks HCN. I just read "Orange Man". I'm proud to be on the same anti-quackery ring, the likes of the blogger being so much more high calibre than I could ever be.
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I have no idea whether this is true for vitamin A, but in organic (carbon-based) molecules, where four different things are attached to one of the carbons, there can be two possible configurations, mirror images of each other. My understanding is that natural processes often produce one configuration or the other, and depend on that configuration for the molecule to do what it needs to do. Synthetic processes generally produce both in equal numbers. Again, I have no idea whether this pertains to vitamins, but it is possible that synthetic chemicals can be different from natural even though they have the same chemical formula. |
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HCN, I hate you!
There I was, winding up a few loose ends in preparation to go home and see my wonderful family, when I stupidly thought: "I know.... I'll just check what's been happening today on the forums" It's now 2 hours later, and I have spent the whole time engrossed in Orac's blog. I have probably missed my tea and my wife will be at the door with a rolling pin in her hand. If I don't post here for a while you will all know why, and I would appreciate some get-well cards or PMs. |
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Thank you everyone for your input.
It is interesting to see how scientific studies can be misrepresented or misunderstood. I am not sure if her misunderstanding comes from the Accutane studies or the beta-carotene conversion. I probably will not see the woman for a few weeks. She is the owner of a fry house in my town. Unfortunately, my fry eating and beer drinking are limited due to kids. Thanks, CBL |
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