Shooting in Oregon (Developing story)

BStrong said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

"Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution.

Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging 72-hour length strikes on enemies, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes."

An EO that overturned a SCOTUS decision and throws out an amendment to the BoR would be a no-goer out the gate.
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Who's tellin' this lie, me or you? :mad:
 
LTC8K6 said:
I can't buy a handgun in another state.

I can't legally sell a handgun across state lines, either.

Both require an FFL holder to do the transaction.

Been that way forever.

But then again, I obey the law.

Long guns, yes. I can buy those out of state.
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Are you claiming when people move to another state, they are not allowed to take their guns with them? I find that hard to believe.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I just don't want my guns taken away because of the actions of others. Especially if it's others who already can't legally own a gun.

As I have said before though, I'm certain that I will be lumped in and be forced to give them up. It's only a matter of time.
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Why do you believe the fear mongering assertion that someone wants to take your gun(s) away?
 
dudalb said:
The sad thing about this eternal debate is that the militants on both sides domnate the gun debate......
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:rolleyes:

Care to cite some of the actions those gun regulation militants are seeking?

Because most people are calling for better regulations and I don't think there is anything too extreme being asked for.
 
For so many of the people involved in these kinds of incidents, the story is similar. Not criminals... No criminal record. They may either own or have access to guns in an entirely legal manner. They go bad.
Whether it is a sudden precipitating event or a long-simmering psychosis or whatever....
They go bad and they take thier gun or guns and start shooting people. Sometimes the object of their particular delusion or hatred or sometimes just random citizens.

There is nothing in any conceivable legislation to stop this from happening that I'm aware of. How many of these people we've seen over the last, oh, 10 years or so have been actively under the care of mental-health professionals?
The only one I'm familiar with is the lad at Virginia Tech... And his mental-health professional didn't bother to tell anyone.
The only way mental-health problems show up on a "background check" is if you have been committed by court action.
I'm under the impression that under HIPPA...Mental-health professionals would largely be prohibitied from calling the authorities if they were worried about an individual.

So what kind of legislation would be effective in preventing these incidents other than waving a magic wand and making all modern repeating firearms vanish. You can have a muzzle-loading rifle. Period.
Do you think that would fly?
 
aleCcowaN said:
I don't know if anybody commented on the shooter announcing his attack in a web forum. 4chan already deleted it but here there's still a copy: http://poal.me/r9k/

What's wrong with the USAian society?
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I can't tell which anonymous there is supposed to be the shooter, and how credible it is that that's his social media exchange. But it is interesting how many people egg these people on when this stuff gets posted.

thaiboxerken said:
I predict if this guy was a Christian, he will be declared a "nut job."
However, if was a Muslim, it will be a indictment of Islam.
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I'll take your side of the wager.

Gawdzilla Sama said:
There are people who call for a total ban on firearms.
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Yes but those are not the people you mainly hear from. So on the pro-gun side, the NRA and many other people the media give a microphone to don't want any regulation.

On the gun control side the people the media give the microphones to call for better background checks, closing the gun show loop hole, limiting the number of bullets in a magazine, stuff like that. Not 'take all guns away' which anyone with half a brain knows can't and won't happen.
 
Oye you lot. Leave us poor kiwis out of it.

We are gentle and cuddly like hobbits :(

A 20-year-old Auckland man is "very stressed and traumatised" after being caught up in a shooting at a community college in the United States today.

Up to 15 people are reported to have died in the shooting at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, with another 20 injured.

Former Westlake Boys High School student Jaylen Gerrand was among those who witnessed the incident.

He was standing outside the school's library when "he heard the gunshots and ran," Jeff Green, his basketball coach in New Zealand told 3 News.

"The guy next to him was shot in the head."

He is now being treated in a trauma centre, Mr Green said.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes but those are not the people you mainly hear from. So on the pro-gun side, the NRA and many other people the media give a microphone to don't want any regulation.

On the gun control side the people the media give the microphones to call for better background checks, closing the gun show loop hole, limiting the number of bullets in a magazine, stuff like that. Not 'take all guns away' which anyone with half a brain knows can't and won't happen.
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I responded to your statement about extremes. The lunatic "Obama wants my guns!" folks have their mirror in "BAN ALL GUNS, NOW!" people.
 
I think the mental health laws regarding how and when a person can be taken and treated, while once allowing that to happen too easily (a husband could at one point have his wife institutionalized for little reason), these days I think it's gotten TOO hard for this to happen before a tragedy. I'd like to see those laws changed, and more funding put into treatment of such worrisome people who are obviously ill but are not, yet, dangerous.
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
I responded to your statement about extremes. The lunatic "Obama wants my guns!" folks have their mirror in "BAN ALL GUNS, NOW!" people.
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But I was responding to the false equivalency post.
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The sad thing about this eternal debate is that the militants on both sides domnate the gun debate......
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NoahFence said:
Now that we've determined that guns aren't going anywhere, when do we get to start talking about the actual problem - how do people get to this point?
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They have quick and easy access to guns.

aleCcowaN said:
What's wrong with the USAian society?
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There are too many guns.

applecorped said:
That is unrealistic and will never happen and you know it.
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That's right. As long as people like you keep saying it will never happen, it never will.

Ranb said:
I guess I'm nobody then. Careful, you might hurt my feeling.
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I think you know full well that people like you who make their own guns are a tiny minority of people who own and use guns. Statistically, I'd be surprised if you even register.

LTC8K6 said:
I just don't want my guns taken away because of the actions of others. Especially if it's others who already can't legally own a gun.
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That's right, because gun control is all about you, personally and individually.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I can't tell which anonymous there is supposed to be the shooter, and how credible it is that that's his social media exchange. But it is interesting how many people egg these people on when this stuff gets posted.
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The anonymous saying "don't go to school tomorrow if you are in the northweast" and later saying "This is the only time I'll ever be in the news I'm so insignificant". I can't imagine what kind of **** they have in their minds those who participate in a thread like that one.
 
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Even though I really, really, really hate mass shootings, I don't want to live in a country where there are Australia-like restrictions on cool guns. Freedom can be messy.
 
Perhaps we should just ban education.
Some of the southern states seem pretty far along that route anyway.
 
Several news stories report that the shooter asked people their religions.

New York Post says that he was specifically targeting Christians.
 
Cain said:
Even though I really, really, really hate mass shootings, I don't want to live in a country where there are Australia-like restrictions on cool guns. Freedom can be messy.
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How many dead kids are worth your hobby? Give me a figure.
 
aleCcowaN said:
To be fair, cars have killed 40 millions and I don't see anyone asking to ban them.
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Yes, but to buy and drive a car, I have to have an eye test, a written and practical test and have to have the car inspected for safety (though I think this varies among jurisdictions in the US). I also have to have insurance in case I injure someone with my car. What do I have to do to buy a gun?
 
BStrong said:
Ben has never heard of the term "Form 1" wrt firearms and device manufacturing and would reject fact in favor of his fiction.
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I'm quite certain he has; surely he has participated in some of the many threads where this was discussed in the past. I swear his arguments make it seem like people here are just plain stupid.

arthwollipot said:
I think you know full well that people like you who make their own guns are a tiny minority of people who own and use guns. Statistically, I'd be surprised if you even register.
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I'm still somebody though. Is it really too much to ask that a person be a even a little accurate in their claims?

Ranb
 
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Craig4 said:
Yes, but to buy and drive a car, I have to have an eye test, a written and practical test and have to have the car inspected for safety (though I think this varies among jurisdictions in the US). I also have to have insurance in case I injure someone with my car. What do I have to do to buy a gun?
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Or you could buy a crappy car with cash, not bother to register or insure it and drive it anyway. Believe it or not, there's a great many cars on the road that meet that description. What's to stop someone from buying a back alley weapon in much the same way?
 
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