Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Sol88 said:
Mathew Cline, no but they are Ionized and therefore can be called a plasma!

So it seems Electrons and Ions play a major role in electrochemistry surrounding/on and in a comet as well. <rehtorical>Has this chemistry been observed around a comet/s?</rehtorical>

Or are we still pinning all our hopes on hidden secret sublimation of different species from a comet when they where supposedly formed in a electrical process inside molecular clouds?

Turtles all the way down!

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1) No,it isn't a plasma in any real sense of the word. The electron abundance is less than 10^-5, considerably less in most cases. By definition, in the SW it is 1:1.

2) There is no "electrochemistry" going on here. For electrochemistry you need a liquid medium, or some of the solid man made ones. You won't find these in space, including on comets.

3) There is nothing hidden about sublimation, including your ignorance of what it actually is.

4) They WERE NOT formed by any sort of electrical process. They will be formed by the condensation of cold gas onto/ into grains, therefore forming ices. The chemistry involved most likely comes from cosmic UV radiation.
http://www.astro.cornell.edu/~rgarrod/research/complex-organic-molecules/

5) There is no way I can see how these species can survive in interplanetary space in the solar system as it currently is.
There is no way these species are going to be created in the coma of a comet.
With patches of exposed ice on the nucleus, then it is possible they could form there. However, it is highly unlikely to produce the range and quantity that we see. If you want the comet to be rock, then there isn't any chance.
You need ice to get these processes going.
 
Sol88 said:
Now let use it (The electrical nature of the Universe) to start moving round the show as well!

I'm ready, are you!
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I don't know where you found those quotes, but the tether experiment did nothing to mainstream physics. It was nice, it worked, it broke, that's all
 
tusenfem said:
As usual you don't know what a plasma is, sol.
Please list here what the criteria are for a plasma.
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Can you remember the below conversation?


I see that tusenfem become the third person to have a go at your list, while I was posting; of course that will change my two lists somewhat ... (DeiRenDopa)
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tusenfem said:
Molecular clouds are neutral, my dear Sol, not plasma ...
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Lets have a crack at the Orion Nebula
The green hue was a puzzle for astronomers in the early part of the 20th century because none of the known spectral lines at that time could explain it. There was some speculation that the lines were caused by a new element, and the name nebulium was coined for this mysterious material. With better understanding of atomic physics, however, it was later determined that the green spectrum was caused by a low-probability electron transition in doubly ionized oxygen, a so-called "forbidden transition". This radiation was all but impossible to reproduce in the laboratory because it depended on the quiescent and nearly collision-free environment found in deep space.[12]
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AND

YOU MISSED THE KEY TUSENFEM!!!

Astrophysicists know that such clouds are slightly ionized. However, in the Electric Universe they are not everywhere charge neutral. As a result electric fields and currents exist within the cloud.
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and therefore "Stuff" happens, very complex stuff that even you couldn't work out, Tusenfem, mathematically, therefore it does not happen 'cos you can't prove the maths!
 
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rwguinn said:
Some day it ,may actually occur to Sol that Electrons and Ions are absolutely critical for ALL matter...
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Booya!! :D

Oh and don't forget electric fields, resonance, frequency and amplitude!

That's the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE :rolleyes:

And gravity can more or less hop in the back seat and watch!
 
tusenfem said:
I don't know where you found those quotes, but the tether experiment did nothing to mainstream physics. It was nice, it worked, it broke, that's all
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It was nice, it worked (3 orders of magnitude greater that theorised), it got fried, we've never done it again??? :confused:

Or you know different, Tusenfem :rolleyes:
 
Sol88 said:
Lets have a crack at the Orion Nebula

AND

YOU MISSED THE KEY TUSENFEM!!!



and therefore "Stuff" happens, very complex stuff that even you couldn't work out, Tusenfem, mathematically, therefore it does not happen 'cos you can't prove the maths!
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no I missed nothing, solly, the orion nebula is part of the orion molecular cloud, which mainly consists of neutral gas. Only because the orion nebula is located near a star burst region, more stuff gets ionized.

However, just ionization does not a plasma make (see question above).

I know the simplistic EU answer, some part is ionized and thus there is a plasma, and then according to you "stuff" happens, whatever "stuff" is.

And in your place I would not assume what I can or cannot work out mathematically, solly, but maybe you can show us your math skills?
 
Sol88 said:
It was nice, it worked (3 orders of magnitude greater that theorised), it got fried, we've never done it again???

Or you know different, Tusenfem
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It worked as it should. From the press release (I assume) there was THREE TIMES (not orders my little padawan) more current which is no big problem:

http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex? \vec{E} = - \vec{v} \times \vec{B} = \sigma \vec{J}

Now, there can be unknowns in both v and B, but mainly in σ of the tether. It was not a perfect wire, so a factor of 3 with respect to what was expected is not really surprising. Especially not, when you think about the unknown conducutivity of the surroundings in which the space shuttle flew. Here is a paper by Thompson et al. that describes the results. And note that the expected voltage was based on an estimation from 1967!!

So you can be confused or sarcastic, the final point is that: you know nothing Jon Snow!
 
dasmiller said:
Actually, by Sol's definition, my pet rock "Erby" is a plasma.
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jonesdave116 By Sol's definition, the Earth's atmosphere is a plasma.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictiona...mospheric+Ions
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Yeah, spose that happens when
The visible Universe is 99.999% plasma. The Sun is about 100% plasma, as are all stars. Plasma makes up nearly 100% of the interplanetary, interstellar and intergalactic medium. The Earth's ionosphere is plasma.
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PLASMA PLASMA PLASMA :D

so not turtles all the way down but plasma!:p

But back to the sumblimating "jets" from SPACE ROCKS :cool:

We are often asked about space rocks, that is, comets, asteroids, meteors, meteorites and so on, and the names associated with them, and also the difference between them. It is a really fascinating topic that sparks a lot of interest with our visitors.
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LINK

Language is changing, slowly, subvertly and at a very low level, but changing none the less.

This is good :thumbsup:

Rocks, Plasma, Surface Charge....
 
Sol88 said:
Yeah, spose that happens when

The visible Universe is 99.999% plasma. The Sun is about 100% plasma, as are all stars. Plasma makes up nearly 100% of the interplanetary, interstellar and intergalactic medium. The Earth's ionosphere is plasma.
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Therefore 99.999% of everything on Earth below the ionosphere is also plasma?

Language is changing, slowly, subvertly and at a very low level, but changing none the less.
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The meaning of "plasma" has changed to include both electrically insulating gasses and solids?
 
Sol88 said:
Yeah, spose that happens when


PLASMA PLASMA PLASMA :D
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Guess what. An awful lot more of it is empty. You might have at least had the bottle to specify that you were not referring to the universe at large, but to matter within that universe. There is a difference.

Sol88 said:
so not turtles all the way down but plasma!:p
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So to misquote Adam Savage, you reject medieval philosophy and substitute your own. How nice.

Sol88 said:
But back to the sumblimating "jets" from SPACE ROCKS :cool:
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Sure. That supports you in what way?

Sol88 said:
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You are citing animations for children? Really?

Sol88 said:
Language is changing, slowly, subvertly and at a very low level, but changing none the less.
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Sure language changes over time. That does not excuse you from addressing how language is RIGHT NOW.


Sol88 said:
This is good :thumbsup:
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Yup, it is good. It demonstrates how vapid your argument is.

Sol88 said:
Rocks, Plasma, Surface Charge....
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Clouds, bunny rabbits, apocalypse. Was there a point to this?
 
abaddon said:
Guess what. An awful lot more of it is empty. You might have at least had the bottle to specify that you were not referring to the universe at large, but to matter within that universe. There is a difference.

So to misquote Adam Savage, you reject medieval philosophy and substitute your own. How nice.

Sure. That supports you in what way?

You are citing animations for children? Really?

Sure language changes over time. That does not excuse you from addressing how language is RIGHT NOW.


Yup, it is good. It demonstrates how vapid your argument is.

Clouds, bunny rabbits, apocalypse. Was there a point to this?
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Clouds, bunny rabbits, apocalypse. Was there a point to this?

Obviously not, but you forgot to add Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Black Holes, String Theory, Multiverses, Big Bang, Flavour changing Neutrinos, and Magnetic reconnection... and sublimating dirty snowballs, etc etc :D
 
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Matthew Cline said:
Therefore 99.999% of everything on Earth below the ionosphere is also plasma?
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Yawn...again

Abstract

We propose a mechanism to explain suggested links between seismic activity and ionospheric changes detected overhead. Specifically, we explain changes in the natural extremely low-frequency (ELF) radio noise recently observed in the topside ionosphere aboard the DEMETER satellite at night, before major earthquakes. Our mechanism utilises increased electrical conductivity of surface layer air before a major earthquake, which reduces the surface-ionosphere electrical resistance. This increases the vertical fair weather current, and (to maintain continuity of electron flow) lowers the ionosphere. Magnitudes of crucial parameters are estimated and found to be consistent with observations. Natural variability in ionospheric and atmospheric electrical properties is evaluated, and may be overcome using a hybrid detection approach. Suggested experiments to investigate the mechanism involve measuring the cut-off frequency of ELF “tweeks”, the amplitude and phase of very low frequency radio waves in the Earth–ionosphere waveguide, or medium frequency radar, incoherent scatter or rocket studies of the lower ionospheric electron density.
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<rhetorical> How do you increase the electrical conductivity of surface layer air?</rhetorical>

So you may indeed be correct Matthew Cline :D
 
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