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26th November 2015, 12:42 PM | #201 |
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26th November 2015, 12:44 PM | #202 |
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26th November 2015, 01:00 PM | #204 |
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Well Tony, you know the "regulars" have no control over their canned behaviour.
As you well know, their pathetic game is to provoke you into violating the MA, with the gold medal going to the most successful provocateur. I for one, applaud both you, and this study, which is well worth supporting. WTC 7 has always been the "smoking gun" of 9/11 and if this project can answer the many questions that the NIST Anyone with a true interest in what caused the collapse of WTC 7 should support this study. |
26th November 2015, 01:02 PM | #205 |
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Are you talking about the terrorists that painted thermite on hundreds of steel beams in the towers followed by planting explosives on almost every floor of the towers just so that when the terrorists flew into the buildings they would be completely destroyed.
Just for good measure they also rigged Wt7 ? I'm beginning to wonder if you were actually part of this master plan. |
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26th November 2015, 01:08 PM | #207 |
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Do you believe Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey's statement that "steel is a fire resistant material"? Easy question. A little harder. Do you think it is a relevant statement when investigating a building collapse? |
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26th November 2015, 01:30 PM | #208 |
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26th November 2015, 01:59 PM | #210 |
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Even less important the stupid exclamation that the 9/11 Commission didn't study WTC7. This Professor has a poltical agenda.
He says he hasn't read any of the scientific literature on WTC7, to avoid being biased - but he has all the irrelevant stupid Truther claims in his presentation. And he gets payed handsomely by Truthers. He is most definitely biased. Doesn't mean of course that the work won't be good, or even will be fraudulent. We'll simply have to wait for actual reporting on the actual work. |
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Spreading lies about thermite with no damage to WTC steel? Silent explosives?
Got that damage to WTC steel from thermite yet? No And the evidence is? BS 19 terrorists did 911, you add extra terrorists and have no evidence. Thus "there were additional terrorists involved", is nonsense. |
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26th November 2015, 09:06 PM | #215 |
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Yes, yes it is at issue. The very fact that your belief is that of a minority demonstrates that it is at issue.
What you seem incapable if seeing is that your conclusion came before any supposed evidence for it, and that the evidence you put forth is little more than pure supposition driven by the prejudged conclusion. |
26th November 2015, 10:24 PM | #217 |
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I did not come to a conclusion before looking into the matter. I heard different things and decided to look into it. What I found was that there is plenty of evidence of involvement in the collapses of the three buildings by more terrorists than those on the aircraft. It sounds like you just want to hide your head in the sand and say there isn't.
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26th November 2015, 11:05 PM | #218 |
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But then, when it's pretty clearly shown that your conclusions don't hold, not only do you cling to them without adequate defense, you imply that the people who have exposed the flaws must be part of the conspiracy. If you say you are trying to be rational, I'll believe you, but...
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Last edited by carlitos; 27th November 2015 at 12:14 AM. Reason: typo - replaced "showed" with "assumed." |
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27th November 2015, 07:11 AM | #220 |
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Why is this the deciding factor?
NIST did these videos NOT to try and show how the collapse looked. Nope. They did them for the sole purpose of seeing if the collapse form would look different without the impact damage. And they estimated that it would. Or did you not know that there are in fact TWO videos? |
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Address the argument, not the arguer, tyvm. It's against Rule 12 of the MA, in case you forgot.
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27th November 2015, 07:56 AM | #223 |
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27th November 2015, 08:10 AM | #224 |
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They were, Osama is at the bottom of the ocean, now will you perpetuate this fraud started
By Jones or will you see your argument as falsified, admit your mistake, and be an honest man? Your Choice Tony is either continue the scam, or show you have intellectual integrity, no possible way to do a CD. In those buildings given the evidence against it means it could not have occured. It is really that simple! Admit your mistake and move on with your life! |
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27th November 2015, 09:36 AM | #226 |
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So all the donations go thru AE 911 Truth? Wow another money making Richard Gage scam. I wonder what the skim is, on all donations?
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27th November 2015, 10:00 AM | #227 |
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Correct, it is a serious matter.
What makes you think I was joking ? You claim to have some form of inside information, you appear to be covering for the terrorists that were on the plane and placing the blame on other people, In fact you have directly accused me of being involved along with other members of this forum. Did you ever find the video you were looking for ? (I thought not, it was obviously all in your imagination) |
28th November 2015, 05:02 AM | #228 |
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I am not covering for the terrorists on the planes. I am saying there is evidence of additional terrorists being involved in the three NYC building collapses on Sept. 11, 2001. Do you understand the use of the word additional means it includes those on the planes?
I have serious concerns about the motivations of those on this forum who insist that there is no evidence of involvement of additional terrorists and that no additional investigation is necessary. |
28th November 2015, 05:16 AM | #229 |
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Ok, let's start by you telling me who these additional terrorists are ?
Now present the evidence you claim to have and why the terrorists on the plane would need to fly jets into the building when they had already rigged the three buildings with explosives ? I agree, you have serious concerns about anyone who doesn't agree with you. You even go to extent of jumping to the conclusion that I/we are the additional terrorists. Paranoid delusions springs to mind |
28th November 2015, 05:21 AM | #230 |
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The dynamics of the collapses proves there were charges in the buildings and this is buttressed by firefighters saying they saw, heard, and felt explosions.
It is not necessary to answer why the terrorists in the planes flew into the buildings if they already had charges in them. The reality shows both things occurred and needed to be investigated. Only those in the planes were investigated and the other terrorist activity of planting charges still needs to be looked into. |
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The ear witness testimony of "explosives" is not only not reliable.... but there were many things which would explode in burning buildings.
You clearly misread "the dynamics" of the building collapses as call collapses are driven by one force... gravity. And CD devices are not gravity! |
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Irrelevant, buildings vibrate in fuel air blasts, you are perpetuating fraudulent science and engineering for profit, that is clear!
Why is there no evidence, none, nada, zero, zippo. You have no logic, science, or engineering to rest your case on, it is at this stage pure fraud, with your complicity in that fraud! |
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Your unsupported accusations are ridiculous and sound like the ravings of a whack job.
It isn't the vibrations that I am referring to when discussing the dynamics. It is the lack of an impulsive load in the North Tower and the free fall in WTC 7. These things cannot happen in a natural collapse. Additionally, I have never made a dime off of what I have said about the problems with the current explanations of what occurred in NYC on Sept. 11, 2001. |
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You mentioned vibrations though the structure being felt by fire fighters, trying to use my words out of contexts is fraudulent behavior of a fraudulent person.
Thank you for proving my unsupported acussations, are not ridiculous and are truthful and Accurately proclaimed! Inert gas test Tony where are they? We were promise inert gas tests where are they? You can't prove your theories without evidence, you have none! |
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